Is Trump fit for a second term?

[Fuzzy1975]

But you’ve forgotten one key factor: Trump doesn’t pay what he owes. Never has. In this case, he’ll stall and eventually declare bankruptcy to try to avoid paying anything. Considering his bad health, it’s probable he dies before paying a dime.

This time he owes it to the State. Trump's normal approach is to litigate, lose, appeal, lose then fail to pay. Which leads to another round of going to court, where Trump litigates, loses, fails to pay. By this time, the person suing Trump has ran out of money, patience and settles.

The State will not run out of time, money nor patience .

I've also read if he wants to appeal he will need to front up some cash towards the settlement, possible the full amount. Though I am not sure how that fits into the US legal civil system.

 

[dmallord]

But you’ve forgotten one key factor: Trump doesn’t pay what he owes. Never has. In this case, he’ll stall and eventually declare bankruptcy to try to avoid paying anything. Considering his bad health, it’s probable he dies before paying a dime.

This time he owes it to the State. Trump's normal approach is to litigate, lose, appeal, lose then fail to pay. Which leads to another round of going to court, where Trump litigates, loses, fails to pay. By this time, the person suing Trump has ran out of money, patience and settles.

The State will not run out of time, money nor patience .

I've also read if he wants to appeal he will need to front up some cash towards the settlement, possible the full amount. Though I am not sure how that fits into the US legal civil system.

Trump's past legal entanglements and bankruptcies may have had a means of escaping some of his debtors or for them to have run out of their funds fighting his appeals, as you noted. Notable among them are Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump's Atlantic City casino filed for bankruptcy, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), Trump's casino holding company filed for bankruptcy, and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009). Another Atlantic City casino owned by Trump faced bankruptcy.

As you noted his bankruptcies have often left creditors and suppliers with unpaid debts, raising questions about his financial integrity and business practices. Despite these setbacks, Trump has maintained his wealth and continued engaging in high-profile business ventures.

In the civil cases, Trump must post bonds to file an appeal. Newscasters mentioned specifically the Carroll sex case and the NY civil fraud cases for over-valuing his properties to obtain more favorable loans for his investments, 'the perfect loan' where the bank got its money back with interest and no one was hurt financially.

The appeal money requirements are/will be collected upfront before Trump can appeal. The money comes from his accounts, money from loans, and/or money he ironically gets contributed via one of his political pack funds that specifies a percentage of the amount collected can be used for those court cases instead of funding campaign actions. That fund, the news notes, is now a paltry amount after paying a considerable amount of his defense fees.

To appeal, Trump was/will be required to post the full amount awarded plus an extra percentage of that amount. For example, I believe the first $5m award to appeal Carroll's case, he paid the five million plus 10% to appeal. He paid that amount from his pocket instead of going to a bondsman to get a loan. [A bondsman charges him, guessing here, an upfront 20% for the loan.] That amount is in a NY State account pending his first appeal. When he slandered her the second time, against the court gag order, she sued and was awarded $83.3m. Trump borrowed that money from a bondsman to appeal. He lost the appeal. That cash is also sitting in the NY State account as he moves for another higher court appeal. [He has, up to this point, not slandered her again.]

If the appeal process ends with Trump losing, all the money in the NY State accounts will go to Ms. Carroll. Trump cannot default on that amount in a bankruptcy type of situation. That money is parked and held until awarded, or he wins a final appeal.

Trump's latest and highest damages awarded is to NY State - $355m. Like the other cases, he has to put up the full amount plus a percentage to appeal. Where are the resources for that money is a question on the minds of many who doubt he has the liquidity for that cash deposit. Per the court findings, he is now prohibited from borrowing money in New York for his businesses. The amount of cash required, in total , for upfront posting is nearly a half billion dollars.

What loan source would be willing to loan him the cash? According to his financials, sources say they are heavily leveraged [lots of loans against them], so they have little value as collateral. These are not the only cases pending against Trump that may have him in line donating blood at the local blood bank. He owes numerous attorneys for past performance, e.g., Rudy G.; who has his own slander battles.

What's that old saying - birds of a feather flock together?

Trump's handling of bankruptcies and unpaid debts has shaped public perception of his business acumen and ethics. While some admire his resilience and ability to rebound from financial setbacks, others criticize his reliance on bankruptcy laws to protect personal wealth at the expense of creditors. His MAGA political support and his ethics and demeanor are the best-fit solution for our Nation – built on freedom and justice for all. [Tongue-in-cheek irony here.]

I hope everyone will weigh Trump’s attributes and vote for the good of our Nation.

 

[dmallord]

Finally a reasonable and fair take on here! There is so much hate from the left that it borders on comical. And the right can’t get out of their own way. I’m a conservative woman and am beyond disappointed in the majority of Republicans these days.

Hopefully, you chances of selecting a 'best' choice option will become clearer as the November voting approaches. You could always, if your party's candidate is too loathsome, switch to another party for one election cycle as a 'least best choice.' It might save the country from a dictatorship leader. Just saying.

 

[KeithD]

Finally a reasonable and fair take on here! There is so much hate from the left that it borders on comical. And the right can’t get out of their own way. I’m a conservative woman and am beyond disappointed in the majority of Republicans these days.

Well, no, the characterization of Biden and Harris wasn't reasonable and fair at all. That Biden is too old to continue this is fair, I think. But that he hasn't done a good job isn't fair and that the economy isn't strong for what was expected of it is just blatantly wrong. There is no evidence that Harris isn't doing a good job with the duties of the VP either. That's just a Republican smear campaign. It's true that Jill Biden doesn't like her for understandable reasons to do with standard primary debate attacks, but that doesn't mean Harris isn't doing a good VP job. What her distractors don't like is that she is doing the job as a Democratic Party office holder, not a Republican one.

 

[RoryN]

His own father doesn't think so...

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Finally a reasonable and fair take on here! There is so much hate from the left that it borders on comical. And the right can’t get out of their own way. I’m a conservative woman and am beyond disappointed in the majority of Republicans these days.

Most of my disappointment with the GOP is directed at a small group of backbenchers in the House.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Most of my disappointment with the GOP is directed at a small group of backbenchers in the House.

Rightly so. But the others have no balls, so in reality, you should be pissed at all of them.

Not just the 20 or so disruptive assholes, who are only there to make noise and a name.

But you can't forget the gutless 198 or so, who fail to stand up and shut them up, or else work with the other side to pass legislation.

 

[dmallord]

Meanwhile, in her X post, Mary Trump added: "It has taken over half a century, but Donald's ability to commit fraud with impunity has come to an end—at least in New York—and trust me, that matters to him."

Dr. Trump has been impacted by Don Trump Jr. for a long damn time. She knows him well. We, as outside viewers of his past political debacle, know that he remains a wrecking ball still capable of more damage as well.

The latest case in New York over his fraudulent property loans hasn't taken its full toll. Trump vows to appeal and continues his state of denial as the legal system slowly grinds him down. The narcissist cannot fathom the depths of his own demise as the most precious thing to him, his money, evaporates.

He nor his sons are in control of his empire in New York - for the next three years in his case and two years for his sons. Two appointed oversight experts will oversee his business and ensure it operates legally and within normal business practices for New York State regulations.

He must be in a near state of apoplexy each morning, waking up knowing he isn't in control. Dr. Trump must wake up with a smile over that.

 

[dmallord]

Again, what you saw was what the media wanted you to see. Everything you see is edited by the source before it goes out. So you didn't see "THE TRUTH" what you saw was what someone wanted you to see so that their side of the story got told.

Absolutely. The media also surrounded the Capitol and gave us raw, real-time views of what transpired. It was on multiple news stations with similar life shots. The edits, with commentary, came later, and from my observation point, sitting at home watching the live feeds, their side of the story was not distorted. Your view to the contrary.

Those who called it a peaceful demonstration and said the people were respectful going through the building were 'full of shit' like the feces spread down the halls. Liars and deniers, like you.

Even when this is pointed out you still refuse to accept that you only have half the story, and the most biased and damaging version of it as could possibly be managed and produced.

You point out misinformation and expect me to accept that. I don't. Your view is myopic and biased, more so than the newscasters.

Trump specifically told his audience to make their VOICES heard and to protest PEACEFULLY. Yet you refuse to accept that and instead believe what you're told that it was an insurrection of violence. As more and more people assembled outside the building Pelosi and the rest of the tyrants inside called upon armed protection to "repel" the citizens protesting against them with force. Something tyrants always seem to do every time they're in power. And, as usual when dealing with tyrants, people died.

Trump specifically told them to also fight like hell, and his tone was vitriolic and spiteful as he lashed out at the democratic process taking place at the Capitol, the certification of a peaceful transition of power from one elected official to another. I heard that and saw the crowd move immediately to act. He knew some of them were armed, that's a known fact. Who tells armed, military battle gear-wearing individuals to march PEACEFULLY because you're not going to have a country anymore?

Yet you believe what you were told that Trump is the bad guy. Because he held a rally and told his audience to be peaceful and raise their voices in protest. As is their Right under the Constitution.

The officer who killed Ashley Babbitt committed manslaughter and should have been prosecuted under the law. Pelosi/Schumer/et al are tyrants. And you support THEM over your neighbors and fellow citizens. Because the MSM tells you to.

Babbitt breached the last line of defense between legislators and safety. Thousands threatened them, and the officer's use of deadly force saved all of those inside from harm or potential death from insurrectionists. Babbitt was a former soldier - unfortunately an election denier who did not believe in the electorial process and died because of following Donal Trump's lies. Her blood is on Trump's hands. The officer was justified - no charges - by the legal system you are a part of so you are 'wrong' on this point.

What are you going to say when the SCOTUS hands down a decision that Trump is eligible and that the 14th doesn't apply? Will you admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

I'll accept the decision. I'll still hold my beliefs, however. That's allowable - what is not is a response like that of the insurrectionist Trump sent to overthrow the government. I don't watch MSM.

What are you going to do when the appeals court tosses out the Leticia James verdicts? Admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

Accept that verdict if it comes to that. Admit? I'm not part of the process just a viewer of that legal process in play

What are you going to do when the courts dismiss the Jack Smith Prosecutions because of Presidential immunity? Admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

And what are you going to do when Fani Willis goes to prison after the Georgia case is dismissed? Admit once again that you're wrong? Or will you STILL continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

You're being lied to. I keep telling you that you're being lied to. And I keep being proven to be correct in what I'm telling you.

And you still disbelieve what I'm saying because you'd rather believe those who hand out the sweetest of all things; lies.

You are making some giant leaps in judgment here. Those cases are unresolved, yet you have reached a verdict as judge, prosecutor, and jailor. I'll reserve judgment and let the courts decide. Based upon previous statements what you have said generally are unfounded as well as unproven.

 

[icanhelp1]

Trump's past legal entanglements and bankruptcies may have had a means of escaping some of his debtors or for them to have run out of their funds fighting his appeals, as you noted. Notable among them are Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump's Atlantic City casino filed for bankruptcy, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), Trump's casino holding company filed for bankruptcy, and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009). Another Atlantic City casino owned by Trump faced bankruptcy.

As you noted his bankruptcies have often left creditors and suppliers with unpaid debts, raising questions about his financial integrity and business practices. Despite these setbacks, Trump has maintained his wealth and continued engaging in high-profile business ventures.

In the civil cases, Trump must post bonds to file an appeal. Newscasters mentioned specifically the Carroll sex case and the NY civil fraud cases for over-valuing his properties to obtain more favorable loans for his investments, 'the perfect loan' where the bank got its money back with interest and no one was hurt financially.

The appeal money requirements are/will be collected upfront before Trump can appeal. The money comes from his accounts, money from loans, and/or money he ironically gets contributed via one of his political pack funds that specifies a percentage of the amount collected can be used for those court cases instead of funding campaign actions. That fund, the news notes, is now a paltry amount after paying a considerable amount of his defense fees.

To appeal, Trump was/will be required to post the full amount awarded plus an extra percentage of that amount. For example, I believe the first $5m award to appeal Carroll's case, he paid the five million plus 10% to appeal. He paid that amount from his pocket instead of going to a bondsman to get a loan. [A bondsman charges him, guessing here, an upfront 20% for the loan.] That amount is in a NY State account pending his first appeal. When he slandered her the second time, against the court gag order, she sued and was awarded $83.3m. Trump borrowed that money from a bondsman to appeal. He lost the appeal. That cash is also sitting in the NY State account as he moves for another higher court appeal. [He has, up to this point, not slandered her again.]

If the appeal process ends with Trump losing, all the money in the NY State accounts will go to Ms. Carroll. Trump cannot default on that amount in a bankruptcy type of situation. That money is parked and held until awarded, or he wins a final appeal.

Trump's latest and highest damages awarded is to NY State - $355m. Like the other cases, he has to put up the full amount plus a percentage to appeal. Where are the resources for that money is a question on the minds of many who doubt he has the liquidity for that cash deposit. Per the court findings, he is now prohibited from borrowing money in New York for his businesses. The amount of cash required, in total , for upfront posting is nearly a half billion dollars.

What loan source would be willing to loan him the cash? According to his financials, sources say they are heavily leveraged [lots of loans against them], so they have little value as collateral. These are not the only cases pending against Trump that may have him in line donating blood at the local blood bank. He owes numerous attorneys for past performance, e.g., Rudy G.; who has his own slander battles.

What's that old saying - birds of a feather flock together?

Trump's handling of bankruptcies and unpaid debts has shaped public perception of his business acumen and ethics. While some admire his resilience and ability to rebound from financial setbacks, others criticize his reliance on bankruptcy laws to protect personal wealth at the expense of creditors. His MAGA political support and his ethics and demeanor are the best-fit solution for our Nation – built on freedom and justice for all. [Tongue-in-cheek irony here.]

I hope everyone will weigh Trump’s attributes and vote for the good of our Nation.

So! Letitia James campaigning on getting Trump has no Bearing on the case. James should be disbarred for presenting a case base on political animus.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

So! Letitia James campaigning on getting Trump has no Bearing on the case. James should be disbarred for presenting a case base on political animus.

Prosecutors often campaign on their ability to bring crooks to justice. Winning cases shows they’re good at their jobs.

 

[dmallord]

So! Letitia James campaigning on getting Trump has no Bearing on the case. James should be disbarred for presenting a case base on political animus.

Your first sentence is a declarative sentence - not a question. It asserts you believe it was appropriate for one of James' campaign issues. Did you use the wrong punctuation mark? I haven't read her campaign background.

"Disbarment or actual suspension is appropriate for an act of moral turpitude, dishonesty, fraud, corruption or concealment of a material fact. The degree of sanction depends on the magnitude of the misconduct and the extent to which the misconduct harmed or misled the victim and related to the member's practice of law."

"In criminal law, animus nocendi ("intention to harm"[1]) refers to an accused's guilty state of mind with respect to the actus reus of the crime."

Do you believe her campaign points to one of the points in bold type? [I'm not a lawyer. But it would seem, in my view, that someone would have to file a case against her after Donald Trump's trial and base the filing on something she willfully did related to her practice of law.]

As such, I see no basis for your declarations, as this particular Trump case has not been appealed. Again, I'm not a lawyer, just an old guy musing.

 

[icanhelp1]

Your first sentence is a declarative sentence - not a question. It asserts you believe it was appropriate for one of James' campaign issues. Did you use the wrong punctuation mark? I haven't read her campaign background.

"Disbarment or actual suspension is appropriate for an act of moral turpitude, dishonesty, fraud, corruption or concealment of a material fact. The degree of sanction depends on the magnitude of the misconduct and the extent to which the misconduct harmed or misled the victim and related to the member's practice of law."

"In criminal law, animus nocendi ("intention to harm"[1]) refers to an accused's guilty state of mind with respect to the actus reus of the crime."

Do you believe her campaign points to one of the points in bold type? [I'm not a lawyer. But it would seem, in my view, that someone would have to file a case against her after Donald Trump's trial and base the filing on something she willfully did related to her practice of law.]

As such, I see no basis for your declarations, as this particular Trump case has not been appealed. Again, I'm not a lawyer, just an old guy musing.

How bout abuse of power?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

How bout abuse of power?

lol....

 

[adrina]

I'm thinking Donald is going the way of his father... neurologically speaking.

 

[lovecraft68]

No and neither is Biden, but that doesn't matter to either party or their voting bases.

My senile crazy old man is better than yours!

 

[adrina]

No and neither is Biden, but that doesn't matter to either party or their voting bases.

My senile crazy old man is better than yours!

Except for the small problem with the reality that while Biden is old and not in his prime, he is not senile or crazy.

Listening to both men speak it is patently obvious that Trump is fruit loops and Biden is old and has a stutter.

 

[jaF0]

It takes Bolton to say it?

rump's Debt and Legal Troubles Make Him Unfit for Office: Ex-Ally​

John Bolton said Donald Trump's debt amid his legal cases makes him vulnerable to being taken advantage of by foreign influences.


.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No and neither is Biden, but that doesn't matter to either party or their voting bases.

My senile crazy old man is better than yours!

Don’t make me tap the sign.

 

[dmallord]

How bout abuse of power?

That's downright humorous. An abuse of power accusation for a NY District Attorney's office member prosecuting a former president - Loser - facing 91 counts, including attempts to defraud American citizens of their voting rights.

She won the case - perhaps she should be appointed to handle the others - she's good at it.

I noticed you ignored the rest of the things I said. Is that because you found them to be true?

 

[icanhelp1]

That's downright humorous. An abuse of power accusation for a NY District Attorney's office member prosecuting a former president - Loser - facing 91 counts, including attempts to defraud American citizens of their voting rights.

She won the case - perhaps she should be appointed to handle the others - she's good at it.

I noticed you ignored the rest of the things I said. Is that because you found them to be true?

We’ll see, the penalty is abuse on its own. Clarabell the clown could win a case against Trump in NY. On to the appellate court.

 

[dmallord]

That seems appropriate. Kids loved the silent guy. One honk for yes, two for no. Just about all that is needed for a Trump trial in New York and other states inclusive.

Clarabell the Clown points to a chalk board with: "Members of the jury, honk once if you find the defendant, Donald J. Trump, guilty of any of the 91-counts he is indicted for. Or honk twice if not guilty."

Jury: "Honk!"

Clarabell: "Honk." Then bows to the jury and judge.

Simple case.

 

[dmallord]

Donald Trump's current estimated civil trial case costs now at $600m and rising.

MSNBC Review of costs

 

[dmallord]

Donald Trump's financial situation is growing more painful by the minute. For example, the current status of the RNC funding spent on several of his court cases is about to change.

Chris LaCivita is set to take on RNC operating officer duties as a senior adviser to Donald Trump's 2024 presidential campaign. Friday, he said he would not pay the former president's legal expenses with funds from the Republican National Committee (RNC). This came after Donald Trump recommended Lara Trump, hid daughter-in-law, to take over the co-chair position of the RNC.

Lara Trump announced that every penny of the RNC would be spent on financing Donald Trump’s campaign. LaCivita, taking exception to that comment, replied that the purpose of the RNC was not solely to promote one candidate.

More specifically, “I will start by saying: wrong answer," he said during an appearance on MSNBC's The Weekend. "That is not the number one responsibility of the RNC to elect Trump. The number one responsibility is to elect every candidate on the ballot on behalf of the party. It is to raise money for those candidates who are on the ballot. It is to place the infrastructure every candidate will need."

“In a post on X, formerly Twitter, NBC News White House reporter Katherine Doyle noted LaCivita's response, "'No,' LaCivita [said] in South Carolina where Trump [was] taking the stage. Asked to clarify, he responds: "F****** no.'"

I'm kinda liking Mr. LaCivita's nerve and backbone. I wonder how long he will last as an RNC staffer.

 

[HisArpy]

Don’t make me tap the sign.

You can if you want to but I recommend that you not.