It took two hours for my LW story to prove me right.

[Seadog777]

Most of my stories are in the "Loving Wives" category.
I have some BTB and some Reconciliation. Something for everyone.
I have to admit, that reading the comment section can be funny as hell and entertaining.
I especially like reading the pussy ass, man bun wearing, bitch boys, that do nothing but project their pretend toughness under the guise of being "anonymous."

As always, you keep being you.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Ahh,... whatever drug they need to get through the day.

It's like the old saying "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one." So, their 1-bomb ratings are as meanful as a turd.

Another version I've heard is, "Opinions are like pubic hair; everybody's got some." (It's going to grow back even if they shave it.)

 

[gunhilltrain]

LW is definitely a minefield. However, it isn’t *just* LW.

Everything on the Internet is a minefield. I swear this is true, but recently somebody took offense because I was skeptical about returning Amtrak service to Bismarck, ND. It turned out that the guy lived in New Jersey, not North Dakota. It wasn't North Dakota that got to him, it was that I was insufficiently gung-ho about rail alternatives to automobiles. I swear this is true too, but there are people who will get very bent out-of-shape about such topics.

 

[gunhilltrain]

From that comment I gathered they followed me here first then commented when they saw I posted an LW story.
Its all perspective, when you're someone who has gone through some real life nastiness as some of us have, some faceless hyena saying "sic em'" to other hyenas in terms of bombing a bunch of stories doesn't carry much weight.

In the end, they defeat themselves because they're frothing over the story and I'm laughing at them, then calling them out here.

It's hard to say which order he did things in. In any case, it's strange but hardly surprising. Although, his bitterness seems like he's taking it very personally.

 

[nice90sguy]

whole LW concept

Seriously, can somebody please explain, without sarcasm, what the LW category is all about? I just don't seem to get it. What do people like to read, and expect to see? And what are the red lines, exactly?

 

[TheRedChamber]

There are basically two diametrically opposite factions that occupy the same category.

Those people who enjoy stories where the wife finds a more vigorous lover and cucks her husband - usually he comes to enjoy this new relationship dynamic.

Those people who enjoy stories where a husband reacts 'appropriately' to finding out their wife is cheating or wanting an open relationship which is, at best, an instant divorce and can be a lot worse. There are genuinely good stories which deal with the pain of a cheating partners, but a lot have more of an edge to them.


The second group tend to highly dislike the first type of story leading to the lowest score in any category and a lot of negative and downright nasty comments.


By and large the first group doesn't act in kind towards the second type of story.

 

[PastMaster]

I posted a Story - called The Hit Man - having made some changes to make it meet site rules - It was posted on other sites about 6 months ago - so far - since it's in LW i've had a lot of feedback - including several accusations of plagarizm (none of which included the any kind of links to the story i was supposed to have copied) but the killer for me was this comment.
Someone read a story called The Hit Man and then wrote this.

1 star - as everyone knows I dislike violence of any kind, especially in this category. Yes, this exact story has appeared a few years ago.
Cheating and marriage have been happening for millennia and in the last century has evolved to the point that death is not an acceptable punishment. So maybe it is about time this website stepped in and stopped those writers who choose to include murder in these kinds of stories. I know I would be happy to never see another one.
Have a nice day.
(NIXROX)

 

[Djmac1031]

I posted a Story - called The Hit Man - having made some changes to make it meet site rules - It was posted on other sites about 6 months ago - so far - since it's in LW i've had a lot of feedback - including several accusations of plagarizm (none of which included the any kind of links to the story i was supposed to have copied) but the killer for me was this comment.
Someone read a story called The Hit Man and then wrote this.

1 star - as everyone knows I dislike violence of any kind, especially in this category. Yes, this exact story has appeared a few years ago.
Cheating and marriage have been happening for millennia and in the last century has evolved to the point that death is not an acceptable punishment. So maybe it is about time this website stepped in and stopped those writers who choose to include murder in these kinds of stories. I know I would be happy to never see another one.
Have a nice day.
(NIXROX)

Violence and murder occur in countless stories throughout the ages. Even the Bible.

And yet somehow there's no room for it here?

Also, why do readers think we as authors CONDONE murder simply because it happened in one of our stories? I was accused of that in one of mine. They called it "Murder Porn" .

 

[PastMaster]

Violence and murder occur in countless stories throughout the ages. Even the Bible.

And yet somehow there's no room for it here?

Also, why do readers think we as authors CONDONE murder simply because it happened in one of our stories? I was accused of that in one of mine. They called it "Murder Porn" .

Oh, not only do I condone murder - I'm apparently about to go out on a killing spree. - another comment... this time anonymous

When you shoot up that night club you’ve been watching from across the street once your incel rage hits, will you tell them your real name, or just go by pastmaster?

 

[Djmac1031]

Someone read a story called The Hit Man and then wrote this.

Maybe he thought it was a story about a pop singer writing hit songs.

 

[PastMaster]

Maybe he thought it was a story about a pop singer writing hit songs.

What got me most was the arrogance of the "As everyone knows..."

Really Everyone? bacause I didn't Maybe thats because up until today I'd never even heard of you you arrogant prick.!!!

I'm not mad... honest.... where's my AK...

 

[MajorRewrite]

Also, why do readers think we as authors CONDONE murder simply because it happened in one of our stories? I was accused of that in one of mine. They called it "Murder Porn" .

That’s the issue. Is the violence in the story so someone can jack off to it (this is an erotic story site after all), or is it there to further some other point of the story? Fairly frequently in LW stories, the violence is the “peak” of the plot and the whole point of it.

 

[PastMaster]

That’s the issue. Is the violence in the story so someone can jack off to it (this is an erotic story site after all), or is it there to further some other point of the story? Fairly frequently in LW stories, the violence is the “peak” of the plot and the whole point of it.

I agree with the point - that the violence is the peak and the whole point - but not every story here is a jerk story.
As i posted elsewhere there are a lot of non erotic stories on the site - some far more violent than mine. The point of the BTB stories is retribution, revenge and/or justice. They are in the LW section because thats where cheating wife (or husband) stories go.

I can't tell you whether it tittilates or not, but i can tell you that in less than 24 hours - it has been loved 35 times and I have gained 18 followers since it was posted, although that might not be totally down to this one story.

 

[lovecraft68]

And yet somehow there's no room for it here?
.

I think there is, and there are categories where its more fitting. Erotic Horror of course, Non human has a lot of violence, you can put it in Novels/Novellas maybe Sci Fi, but none of those categories have to be erotic(even though its in the title of EH.

But putting it in an erotic category will cause a wave first off because many come to an erotic story site for erotica, and don't feel like being blindsided there is also the tone of the violence, and in a category like LW they are getting off to horrific things happening to the wives and their lovers, that's torture for titration, another thing lit has a "rule' about that's never enforced.

Under aged sex is allowed in fiction, the reason most erotic platforms don't allow it is because in a regular novel its meant to just be part of an entire story, in erotica its the reason they're reading. Same for rape, incest, snuff. Back to is it to shock someone as it is in a mainstream novel or for them to get off to.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I think there is, and there are categories where its more fitting. Erotic Horror of course, Non human has a lot of violence, you can put it in Novels/Novellas maybe Sci Fi, but none of those categories have to be erotic(even though its in the title of EH.

But putting it in an erotic category will cause a wave first off because many come to an erotic story site for erotica, and don't feel like being blindsided there is also the tone of the violence, and in a category like LW they are getting off to horrific things happening to the wives and their lovers, that's torture for titration, another thing lit has a "rule' about that's never enforced.

Under aged sex is allowed in fiction, the reason most erotic platforms don't allow it is because in a regular novel its meant to just be part of an entire story, in erotica its the reason they're reading. Same for rape, incest, snuff. Back to is it to shock someone as it is in a mainstream novel or for them to get off to.

True, few people would read Lolita to be titillated. As for online materials, that seems to vary and be a little fuzzy. My sense is that online porn can be have under-aged themes as long as the illustrations are obviously drawings, not photographs. (Although with 3-D depictions now, it gets even fuzzier). That is especially true for Japanese anime; it's obvious that a lot of girls in that are well below eightteen and even sixteen. Or Fourteen. I don't know about written descriptions; I haven't done the "research."

Incest is often depicted in photographs and videos, although almost all of the "models" are not actually related. (They are certainly supposed to be within the plots of the material.) None of this is on the so-called Dark Web.

An interesting take on Lolita:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_Lolita_in_Tehran

 

[NoTalentHack]

Seriously, can somebody please explain, without sarcasm, what the LW category is all about? I just don't seem to get it. What do people like to read, and expect to see? And what are the red lines, exactly?

TL;DR: Whoever solves the LW problem should be given a crack at peace in the Middle East.

There's a lot to unpack. Buckle in and grab some popcorn.

I've been reading on Literotica since pretty close to the beginning. Loving Wives as it stands now is a mix of feature creep, cultural drift, and a bunch of other shit I'm not even going to try to name. When the site started, it was kind of what it says on the tin: "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more." But even that wasn't accurate. Some people, even back then, considered any kind of "extra-marital fun" to be non-loving; there was a substantial minority of stories that were about a married couple being loving just with each other. So even from the beginning, it wasn't what it was "supposed to be."

I'm not going to go into the whole history, but what had once been, essentially "Group Sex but married" with a dash of "cheating wives" and "Erotic Couplings but married" slowly morphed to what it is now, which is basically the closest thing the site has to the wild west. The "cheating wives" pushed out a lot of the traditional swinging and sharing, although both of those still show up there.

Some writers and readers got sick of the cheating wives not getting any kind of comeuppance, so a "BTB" (Burn the Bitch/Bastard) movement sprung up that was anti-reconciliation, and that has gotten pretty extreme over the years. A sort of counter-movement started that was called "RAAC" (Reconciliation At All Costs); that is mostly what the BTB detractors call it, though; any kind of reconciliation is seen as RAAC by a lot of them. And, to be fair, there are a lot of bad reconciliation stories that really are, by any realistic reading, RAAC.

"Hotwifing" has always been part of the original definition of LW, the "I want to watch my wife with another guy" type of stories, with or without the guy having sex with anyone else. It used to be, though, that the really cruel cuckolding stuff, the "I'm going to fuck your wife and she's going to humiliate you, and you're going to grow to love it" stuff used to be mostly in Fetish, but the hotwife stories kind of left the door open for full-on cuckolding to make its way over to LW; you can still find it both places, but there's more and more of it in LW these days, leading especially the BTB crowd, but also a lot of the other factions to lose their shit at all of those type of stories.

Add on to this that it's the category that was already probably the most critical (in the "giving criticism of the work" sense) category on the site, with a lot of people there for the writing and the drama over the sex, and you have another sort of faction there, the literary snobs. I'm one of those, if I had to categorize myself. They like well-written stories, and while they may have some other allegiances, they'll pounce on badly written stories; conversely, they'll also give some of the most insightful criticism and commentary for writers trying to get better. It's part of why I love LW.

I say "factions," but they kind of blur together and overlap each other. BTBers are often literary snobs. Cuckold lovers are sometimes also into the classic swinging/hotwifing stuff. You've also got the "sex/no sex" axis, where some readers get incensed if there's no sex in the stories and some get incensed if there's too much. There's a sliding scale for violence, too, where some people want things just this side of snuff and some think any kind of violence in the story at all is a no no.

I'm sure I'm missing some other minor axes and factions, but you get the idea: there's a lot of shit at play in there, and it's built up over the years as both society and sexual mores have shifted. There's guys in there that would be happy to go back to the days before "marital rape" existed as a legal designation, and there's guys in there that think any failure to reconcile is an example of toxic masculinity. It's fucking wild.

A couple of other things: it tends to be very conservative as a rule, both sexually and politically. Any discussion of psychology or counseling in a positive way is likely to be attacked as "psychobabble." Anything besides oral and PIV is triggering for some folks; stories with anal will get attacked for that, and even MFF threesomes, the culturally tamest of the group sex varieties, sometimes get called out. On an erotica site.

This conservatism also lends itself to the "you're in the wrong category" brigade, which can ding your scores for all sorts of reasons. This also leads to a very reflexive/reactionary take on sexual politics; any kind of swapping/sharing is "-1 cuck wimp shit" to a number of folks. Any kind of reconciliation is also "-1 cuck wimp shit" to the especially hardcore about cheating as a moral failure that must be purged.

That's where we are now. If you look at the LW HOF, the vast majority of stuff is VERY old, because there have been more and more factions that get lumped in, and they all vote at cross purposes. If you look at most categories that are very active, you'll see maybe two or three stories older than four or five years ago in their top 25. In LW? There are only 6 from 2020 or later.

The stuff that seems to do best these days, ratings-wise, are reasonably well-written and entertaining men's adventure stories (think Jack Reacher and the like) that include a cheating wife storyline where the wife gets burned (but not too badly), the affair partner gets burned (very badly but not fatally unless they're like a cartel member or terrorist or some other 80s action movie villain), and the hero finds a new love or a rotating cast of sexual partners without emotional attachment beyond friendship.

Finally, there's the structural differences in the stories there versus other places. In Romance, Incest, almost any other category, outside of a few twist endings, you have a pretty good idea what you're going to get. In LW? You have to read to the end or at least the middle, and that means people get involved emotionally in the stories. The ones looking for a particular ending and not getting it, or only getting part of what they want WILL let you know, both in comments and ratings, that they're dissatisfied.

If you want an example of that, check out "February Sucks," which should have been, according to almost every reader, a BTB or at least consequences ending and turned into arguably the biggest RAAC in the cateogry. It's spawned hundreds of unofficial sequels, rewrites, spinoffs, etc. I wrote one; hell, writing my sequel is the reason I picked up my pen again after almost thirty years away.

If you want to really fight for your ratings as a writer, go there; a red H there, especially if you don't write for the BTB crowd, means you're doing really good. It's not so much that they're the largest faction, I think, it's just that the stories written for them tend to be the ones that are least offensive to most of the other factions as well.

There's an argument to be made that it should be split into like four or five different categories, or even just have it dissolve and have authors move to whatever the appropriate category would be. But I think that would kind of be a shame. No other category comments like LW does. No one gets impassioned the way the readers there do. No other set of readers is as engaged. It's absolutely a crucible as a writer, and if you're chasing ratings? It's not the place for you. But if you want comments and criticism? It's aces.

I fucking love that place.

 

[gunhilltrain]

TL;DR: Whoever solves the LW problem should be given a crack at peace in the Middle East.

There's a lot to unpack. Buckle in and grab some popcorn.

I've been reading on Literotica since pretty lose to the beginning. Loving Wives as it stands now is a mix of feature creep, cultural drift, and a bunch of other shit I'm not even going to try to name. When the site started, it was kind of what it says on the tin: "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more." But even that wasn't accurate. Some people, even back then, considered any kind of "extra-marital fun" no be non-loving; there was a substantial minority of stories that were about a married couple being loving just with each other. So even from the beginning, it wasn't what it was "supposed to be."

I think you trying to say that there are two ways to troll on LW (or at least I think there are two). One is to spoof-write what they love, and the other is to spoof-write what they hate. I've been there a couple of times, yet I don't know if I have the patience for either. Maybe I'll try it.

Just for argument's sake: the first story I have there is about a guy who knows his wife is cheating. He spanks her in their apartment; so far so so good. But she likes it, and then has sex with him on their couch. Then she suggests that she might spank him in the future, and he's amenable to the idea.

Of course, all that bugged the usual suspects and they weren't shy about telling me that. For one thing, his punishment of her was milder than the real BTB plots they crave. And the fact that there was a reconciliation - well, you know. I just wrote what I wanted, and I was aiming for neither BTB nor RAAC.

 

[MajorRewrite]

The stuff that seems to do best these days, ratings-wise, are reasonably well-written and entertaining men's adventure stories (think Jack Reacher and the like) that include a cheating wife storyline

Many of those highly-rated adventure/spy/detective stories don’t include any link to the loving wives theme at all. Like everything else about LW, it’s crazy.

I have a new story that‘s cast in that detective mold that I’ll post soon in LW. It includes a dead husband and a wife who may or may not have been cheating. The ambiguity might make readers foam at the mouth, but I hope not. My other two LW stories were well-received without pandering to the looney BTB crowd and I hope this one will be too.

 

[guysguy999]

I took the plunge into LW a few months ago (under a different username), and had a story I thought was quite good get trashed in short order. It's still languishing a point and change below my normal median, and with the number of 1's, the score is basically unsalvageable for eternity.

I knew enough about the category to expect it, but still it was... not fun.

As a form of therapy, I recently spent an hour and a half writing this story:
https://literotica.com/s/she-only-got-what-she-deserved

I only cared about the comments - before posting, I decided it would be a success if they came back with some mélange of "this is great," "this is a good idea but needs work," "this is god-awful" and "this is hilarious." Basically I think I succeeded...

(As for myself, I did think it was hilarious, but ultimately viewed it more as performance art than anything else.)

 

[thomas1965]

To enable voting in this category seems a form masochism.

 

[nice90sguy]

TL;DR

Thanks so much for that post, it really explained LW for me!

It sounds like you've described the state of the U.S: fractured, self-deceiving, paranoid, moralistic and generally dysfunctional, with a few voices of reason drowned out by the anguished screams of "what about me!??"

 

[gunhilltrain]

Thanks so much for that post, it really explained LW for me!

It sounds like you've described the state of the U.S: fractured, self-deceiving, paranoid, moralistic and generally dysfunctional, with a few voices of reason drowned out by the anguished screams of "what about me!??"

Actually, it describes most of humanity for the last 10,000 years or so. Too many examples to list here.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Actually, it describes most of humanity for the last 10,000 years or so. Too many examples to list here.

Hello, Djmac1031, so there is some interest in this. I don't want to hijack the thread (which means I'm going to do just that), but many examples are provided by Spanish painter Francisco Goya. As he fell into a deep depression as he got older, his work became darker and stranger.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cswpt7

The painting is The Third of May 1808. It would take far too long to describe what it's about, but there is a vast amount of info online about Goya and it's well worth the time to look at it. I suspect he'd find LW more of a subject for satire than horror, but I'm just guessing.

 

[Comshaw]

the INCEL troglodytes don't confine themselves to loving Wives, unfortunately. I posted a new story in mature and got the comment below. for all who have posted a story in Loving Wives, does it sound familiar?

"Her parents screwed this poor skank up by giving her a boy's name when she was born. No wonder she does stupid shit, been in a constant state of confusion her entire life."


Comshaw

 

[nice90sguy]

"Her parents screwed this poor skank up by giving her a boy's name when she was born. No wonder she does stupid shit, been in a constant state of confusion her entire life."


Comshaw

Commenter has a point: It reminds me of an interview John Wayne, Nee Marion Morrison, saying that that he created his tough-guy persona because of his parents giving him a girl's name.