Cautionary Tales

[lovecraft68]

I don't think you are correct in this. Consent is what matters in the case of rape, nothing else. Regardless if the victim felt any pleasure or not, if it is done without consent, it's rape. I mean, I don't doubt there are some people who would feel some kind of arousal even during actual rape, but I don't see that fact as relevant. Lit rule about victim having to feel some pleasure for the rape story to be allowed is ridiculous, to say the least.

Its more than ridiculous it sends the message that no never means no, and certain types of men don't need any more confirmation of that then they already have in this society. The site should simply give up the pretense of not allowing NC(while having an NC category, I mean...come on) and just let those stories on here as long as they're in the proper category.

Meanwhile as they adhere to this sickening 'rule' that they inconsistently enforce, let's get back to the atrocities committed in BTB stories and how they fly right through, but NC in NC can get booted.

It shows you the audience this site prefers and caters to

 

[lovecraft68]

Given that this is an erotica site, it's kind of to be expected that they prefer submissions to be erotic. Taking sex and making in unerotic might serve a purpose in the pursuit of art or social criticism, but they have to wonder, why would anyone want to publish that kind of story here? Are erotica readers their target audience, and if so, why? Is the author's social criticism just disapproval of some or all of the other content available on the site, and they think the people who enjoy it need to be tricked into reading the author's critique of their kinks? I'm not saying that's what you're trying to do, but it might be what you need to convince the site you're not trying to do.
And since it looks like this thread is going to veer back to 'what is rape? baby don't hurt me' I should probably leave now.

Hate is not a kink...but we have an entire category dedicated to it and spewing it from both authors and readers. They care about clicks and whether they're from human hands or hooves they don't care.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I don't think you are correct in this. Consent is what matters in the case of rape, nothing else. Regardless if the victim felt any pleasure or not, if it is done without consent, it's rape. I mean, I don't doubt there are some people who would feel some kind of arousal even during actual rape, but I don't see that fact as relevant. Lit rule about victim having to feel some pleasure for the rape story to be allowed is ridiculous, to say the least.

You are right, or course. There is physical arousal, which is partly sub-concious. Mental arousal? Unless you are very damaged to start with, I don’t think so. I have heard about women who experienced physical arousal during rape and need therapy to come to terms with that (obviously there are many other things to come to terms with). But mental arousal due to being destroyed emotionally and psychologically? Really? People I have spoken to either shut down and and dissociate, or fight, or try to fight and then dissociate.

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

You are right, or course. There is physical arousal, which is partly sub-concious. Mental arousal? Unless you are very damaged to start with, I don’t think so. I have heard about women who experienced physical arousal during rape and need therapy to come to terms with that (obviously there are many other things to come to terms with). But mental arousal due to being destroyed emotionally and psychologically? Really? People I have spoken to either shut down and and dissociate, or fight, or try to fight and then dissociate.

Em

I keep saying I’m not going to get involved in this topic, and then look at me.

Enough for today.

Em

 

[AG31]

If they enjoyed it, it’s not rape. How hard is this?

Rape is not enjoyable in any Universe.

Em

Well, it's rape from the perpetrator's point of view.

 

[Euphony]

Well, it's rape from the perpetrator's point of view.

Em doesn't need to spell out every detail in order to express a point.

It's the internet, informal most of the time, we rely on others ability to read context.

As to the perpetrator's point of view, it's arguable MANY actual rapists don't view themselves as such b/c their (criminal) misunderstanding of consent allows them to exist in a grey area where actual rape their ego views as "part of the dance/mating game."

 

[alohadave]

I have heard about women who experienced physical arousal during rape and need therapy to come to terms with that (obviously there are many other things to come to terms with).

I was in therapy for AMAC years ago and this was a very common issue.

It's a physiological response, and not indicative of sexual or emotional arousal.

It's also part of why people think that men can't be raped, because why would someone unwilling have an erection?

 

[EmilyMiller]

I was in therapy for AMAC years ago and this was a very common issue.

It's a physiological response, and not indicative of sexual or emotional arousal.

It's also part of why people think that men can't be raped, because why would someone unwilling have an erection?

Thanks for sharing that.

Em

 

[AG31]

As to the perpetrator's point of view, it's arguable MANY actual rapists don't view themselves as such b/c their (criminal) misunderstanding of consent allows them to exist in a grey area where actual rape their ego views as "part of the dance/mating game."

I'd certainly agree that rape doesn't require the perpetrator to think that's what he's doing.

 

[madelinemasoch]

I didn't want this to turn into another thread about rape. Am I the rape girl now because of CC16?

Anyways, let's get back into it...

 

[EmilyMiller]

I didn't want this to turn into another thread about rape. Am I the rape girl now because of CC16?

Anyways, let's get back into it...

That’s my fault - I apologize.

Em

 

[madelinemasoch]

Given that this is an erotica site, it's kind of to be expected that they prefer submissions to be erotic. Taking sex and making in unerotic might serve a purpose in the pursuit of art or social criticism, but they have to wonder, why would anyone want to publish that kind of story here? Are erotica readers their target audience, and if so, why? Is the author's social criticism just disapproval of some or all of the other content available on the site, and they think the people who enjoy it need to be tricked into reading the author's critique of their kinks? I'm not saying that's what you're trying to do, but it might be what you need to convince the site you're not trying to do.
And since it looks like this thread is going to veer back to 'what is rape? baby don't hurt me' I should probably leave now.

I would publish it here because of the sexual nature of it, and how easy it is to publish here. Erotica readers would only be the target audience #1 by incidence and #2, in order to get them to think. I can only speak for myself but I prefer readers who are here to think to readers who are here to "get off." (I hate that phrase). This holds true even in the case of stories that are mostly sexual: I want people to get past that and see the characters for who they are. I want them to actually, seriously think about it. I want to give people something they can actually think about.

 

[madelinemasoch]

That’s my fault - I apologize.

Em

No big deal.

 

[Bamagan]

I would publish it here because of the sexual nature of it, and how easy it is to publish here. Erotica readers would only be the target audience #1 by incidence and #2, in order to get them to think. I can only speak for myself but I prefer readers who are here to think to readers who are here to "get off." (I hate that phrase). This holds true even in the case of stories that are mostly sexual: I want people to get past that and see the characters for who they are. I want them to actually, seriously think about it. I want to give people something they can actually think about.

I'd say that's a sufficient reason for them to pass on publishing it. There's plenty of sex in other genres of literature, so simply having some in a story doesn't necessarily make it erotica, and doesn't preclude you finding some other distributor (although it certainly might make it more difficult). And if you're not actually interested in giving the Lit audience (who you imply are incidental only with respect to your story) what they are principally here for, there's not a lot of incentive for the site to act as a medium. From their perspective, it probably makes about as much sense as Burger King serving Big Macs. Granted, they publish a lot of stuff that is erotic to only small wedges of their overall audience, so I expect you'd find an audience here, but they may not be the ones you say you want to reach. If they're already here looking for porn and are drawn to your work because they enjoy sexual antics juxtaposed with trauma, I expect they would skim over the rest of the story and only really read the parts that turn them on. Or, perhaps ironically, you'd draw people who only really read the parts they know they'll hate (mostly the same bits, probably) so they can sound credibly informed when they express their outrage.
Best of luck to you either way.

 

[madelinemasoch]

I'd say that's a sufficient reason for them to pass on publishing it. There's plenty of sex in other genres of literature, so simply having some in a story doesn't necessarily make it erotica, and doesn't preclude you finding some other distributor (although it certainly might make it more difficult). And if you're not actually interested in giving the Lit audience (who you imply are incidental only with respect to your story) what they are principally here for, there's not a lot of incentive for the site to act as a medium. From their perspective, it probably makes about as much sense as Burger King serving Big Macs.

They should; they'd make more money

Granted, they publish a lot of stuff that is erotic to only small wedges of their overall audience, so I expect you'd find an audience here, but they may not be the ones you say you want to reach. If they're already here looking for porn and are drawn to your work because they enjoy sexual antics juxtaposed with trauma, I expect they would skim over the rest of the story and only really read the parts that turn them on. Or, perhaps ironically, you'd draw people who only really read the parts they know they'll hate (mostly the same bits, probably) so they can sound credibly informed when they express their outrage.
Best of luck to you either way.

If they're looking for porn, they should go to Xvideos dot com. I see a difference between porn and erotica beyond one being written word and the other being filmed footage. Don't really think I have to explain why. Also, that's ridiculous to think that people read purely for gooning or outrage fuel. Thanks for the good luck, I guess.

 

[Bamagan]

They should; they'd make more money


If they're looking for porn, they should go to Xvideos dot com. I see a difference between porn and erotica beyond one being written word and the other being filmed footage. Don't really think I have to explain why. Also, that's ridiculous to think that people read purely for gooning or outrage fuel. Thanks for the good luck, I guess.

There's lots of ways they could increase the monetization of the site that they've never adopted. So I doubt potential lost revenues are much of a concern for them. And if I had a nickel for every time people did something ridiculous, I would not be fretting about alternate revenue streams, either.