Do Republicans appreciate what losing Roe V Wade will do to them?

[ll74]

I referenced the Louisiana bill. It has not passed the House and probably won’t since even the state’s largest anti-abortion group opposes it. And it does not “ban contraceptives.” Birth control pills, condoms, spermicides, patches, diaphragms, vasectomies and most other forms of contraceptives would not be banned. Just IUDs and morning after pills. No state in the country is even remotely close to banning contraceptives.

You said no bill is being considered. That is an incorrect statement

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You said no bill is being considered. That is an incorrect statement

No state, including Louisiana, is considering a ban on contraceptives such as birth control pills, spermicides, condoms, diaphragms, vasectomies, etc. You know this.

There is a reason you avoid specifying that the proposed LA legislation would only apply to IUDs and morning after pills. You want people to think the state is attempting to ban contraception.

 

[ll74]

No state, including Louisiana, is considering a ban on contraceptives such as birth control pills, spermicides, condoms, diaphragms, vasectomies, etc. You know this.

There is a reason you avoid specifying that the proposed LA legislation would only apply to IUDs and morning after pills. You want people to think the state is attempting to ban contraception.

IUDs are banned as a result of the legislation you mentioned that is currently being considered by the House

An IUD is a constraceptive device

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

IUDs are banned as a result of the legislation you mentioned that is currently being considered by the House

An IUD is a constraceptive device

There is a reason abortion advocates refer to the proposed legislation as a “ban on contraception.” It sounds far more radical and sweeping than what the bill actually would do. They don’t want people to know it’s limited to IUDs. The idea is to create the false impression that it is a blanket ban on contraception. If you made it clear that The Pill and most other common methods of contraception would be untouched by the proposed legislation, the fear mongering headline loses its punch.

 

[ll74]

There is a reason abortion advocates refer to the proposed legislation as a “ban on contraception.” It sounds far more radical and sweeping than what the bill actually would do. They don’t want people to know it’s limited to IUDs. The idea is to create the false impression that it is a blanket ban on contraception. If you made it clear that The Pill and most other common methods of contraception would be untouched by the proposed legislation, the fear mongering headline loses its punch.

The language in the bill makes an IUD illegal and that bill is being considered

Whether people would be prosecuted remains to be seen

People used to say overturning Roe was "fear mongering" yet here we are

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The language in the bill makes an IUD illegal and that bill is being considered

Whether people would be prosecuted remains to be seen

People used to say overturning Roe was "fear mongering" yet here we are

Telling people that a ban on IUDs is being considered in the state of Louisiana is not fear mongering, but deliberately misleading people to believe that blanket bans on birth control are looming is. Abortion advocates undermine their credibility by resorting to misleading claims.

 

[ll74]

Telling people that a ban on IUDs is being considered in the state of Louisiana is not fear mongering, but deliberately misleading people to believe that blanket bans on birth control are looming is. Abortion advocates undermine their credibility by resorting to misleading claims.

It is not called out specifically in the legislation, but is included as a result of it. Nothing misleading about it. As it is written currently, an AG could prosecute someone for using an IUD.

You ignoring the language that exists in the bill is your own thing.

 

[oggbashan]

It is not called out specifically in the legislation, but is included as a result of it. Nothing misleading about it. As it is written currently, an AG could prosecute someone for using an IUD.

You ignoring the language that exists in the bill is your own thing.

It could be interesting for the law agencies to decide whether someone is wearing an IUD or not...

That's my tampon, asshole!

 

[ll74]

It could be interesting for the law agencies to decide whether someone is wearing an IUD or not...

That's my tampon, asshole!

Ever since Roe was decided, the right has pushed the envelope on legislation that is not enacted because of Roe. "Fetal personhood" would've never been feasible twenty years ago, but it is now being talked about.

Additionally, because right to privacy rights are being discussed as being revoked under the leaked decision, they will push the envelope on anything under that. Those thinking otherwise aren't being honest about what we've already seen.

 

[renard_ruse]

First off, aborticide has zero to do with "women." It never has. Most women don't want to abort their offspring and many men do. The whole idea its some sort of "woman issue" was made up from whole cloth by pro-abortion advocates in the 1970s to try to flip the moral highground on an issue they have no moral ground to stand on. It has always been ridiculous. Its got zero to do with women in particular.

This is born out (no pun intended) by polls for many years that have consistently shown little if any difference in opinion on the issue between the sexes on it. Thats not even getting into the fact there are no longer men and women anymore anyway according to the media and LGBTQASDFGJUK whatever crowd.

Further public opinion is less pro-abortion than its been since the original decision. Many polls show weakening public support for unrestricted abortion, including among the young. If anything this will hurt the Democrats, particularly if they keep behaving like this...

https://www.banned.video/watch?id=62788abfccc6475f87d44f87

So, no. And in fact the GOP should come out harder for pro-life positions.

 

[ll74]

First off, aborticide has zero to do with "women." It never has. Most women don't want to abort their offspring and many men do. The whole idea its some sort of "woman issue" was made up from whole cloth by pro-abortion advocates in the 1970s to try to flip the moral highground on an issue they have no moral ground to stand on. It has always been ridiculous. Its got zero to do with women in particular.

This is born out (no pun intended) by polls for many years that have consistently shown little if any difference in opinion on the issue between the sexes on it. Thats not even getting into the fact there are no longer men and women anymore anyway according to the media and LGBTQASDFGJUK whatever crowd.

Further public opinion is less pro-abortion than its been since the original decision. Many polls show weakening public support for unrestricted abortion, including among the young. If anything this will hurt the Democrats, particularly if they keep behaving like this...

https://www.banned.video/watch?id=62788abfccc6475f87d44f87

So, no. And in fact the GOP should come out harder for pro-life positions.

Pregnancy is singularly a woman's issue. Whether you choose to use the correct word or not is irrelevant.

 

[Wrong Element]

I think they've been "preparing for the backlash" with everything they've done to insulate themselves from the opinions of voters ... in part with the help of the federal courts. It's a feedback loop.

 

[colddiesel]

I doubt that Roe will have the slightest impact on the mid-terms. It will be all hip- pocket issues.

Abortion should not be a federal, state, or any sort of government issue. It should be an issue only between the woman and her medical advisors. So obviously that won't happen when politicians of all stripes are determined to weaponize the debate.

 

[ll74]

I doubt that Roe will have the slightest impact on the mid-terms. It will be all hip- pocket issues.

Abortion should not be a federal, state, or any sort of government issue. It should be an issue only between the woman and her medical advisors. So obviously that won't happen when politicians of all stripes are determined to weaponize the debate.

Roe did that. Republicans have worked towards overturning that for 50 years

 

[butters]

I doubt that Roe will have the slightest impact on the mid-terms. It will be all hip- pocket issues.

Abortion should not be a federal, state, or any sort of government issue. It should be an issue only between the woman and her medical advisors. So obviously that won't happen when politicians of all stripes are determined to weaponize the debate.

we'll have to wait and see but, just as there are 26 states with trigger laws now in place if it's overturned, there's obviously discussion in repug circles about banning abortions nationwide at a federal level. If that doesn't bring out the women voters mid-terms, the majority of whom i feel safe to say disagree with a federal ban on all abortions, then i don't know what will.

What does that mean? It means that Republicans are contemplating a federal law to make abortion illegal—everywhere. That is to say: Even in the two dozen or so states that will pass laws, if Roe is overturned, to keep abortion safe and legal in at least some circumstances, the superseding federal ban would make abortion against the law.

Election Day is November 8. Democrats need to be planning right now so that on November 7, every voter in America knows that McConnell quote and believes that the Republicans are going to try to pass a federal abortion ban. We’ll see by then whether Democrats have succeeded at doing that. If they have, then they have a fighting chance of holding the House and Senate.

https://newrepublic.com/article/166394/mitch-mcconnell-federal-abortion-ban

 

[colddiesel]

we'll have to wait and see but, just as there are 26 states with trigger laws now in place if it's overturned, there's obviously discussion in repug circles about banning abortions nationwide at a federal level. If that doesn't bring out the women voters mid-terms, the majority of whom i feel safe to say disagree with a federal ban on all abortions, then i don't know what will.


https://newrepublic.com/article/166394/mitch-mcconnell-federal-abortion-ban

I think that your judgement is correct but doubt the timing. I think that many voters have very immediate financial issues which worry them more, at least until November. There will be a negative reaction from women but I think it will take considerably longer. Traditionally, women's voting patterns were more conservative than men's. It is now fairly even, and as women form 52% of the population and 54% of the eligible voters even the GOP will eventually recognize that reality. In the short term the Supreme Court not only has a GOP majority, it has a socially conservative Catholic majority. And in the White House you also have a socially Conservative Catholic who has shown no interest in leading on this issue.

Eventually, and it might take 5/7 years + it will be recognized that black slavery and under privilege has been replaced in the USA by a slavery of women. All that is required at the moment is leadership to harness that movement, but that does not appear much in evidence in any existing political party or institution.

 

[domroger]

I find it surprising that nobody has brought up the effect these laws will have on foreign tourism and inter-state travel.
Will there be border inspections to stop people from bringing in contraceptives and vaginal inspections to make sure the woman has not got an IUD ?
If there are how much will be the cost ?
Oggbashan could confirm or deny the story I was told that Irish Customs would rummage luggage looking for contraceptives so don't dismiss this as being unlikely.

 

[pecksniff]

I find it surprising that nobody has brought up the effect these laws will have on foreign tourism and inter-state travel.
Will there be border inspections to stop people from bringing in contraceptives and vaginal inspections to make sure the woman has not got an IUD ?
If there are how much will be the cost ?
Oggbashan could confirm or deny the story I was told that Irish Customs would rummage luggage looking for contraceptives so don't dismiss this as being unlikely.

Considering the sheer volume of interstate travel, the cost would be too much for serious consideration. But it does make for an interesting mental picture . . . a tent at the state line, with deputies and med techs making every woman in every entering vehicle get up on the stirrups . . .

 

[oggbashan]

I find it surprising that nobody has brought up the effect these laws will have on foreign tourism and inter-state travel.
Will there be border inspections to stop people from bringing in contraceptives and vaginal inspections to make sure the woman has not got an IUD ?
If there are how much will be the cost ?
Oggbashan could confirm or deny the story I was told that Irish Customs would rummage luggage looking for contraceptives so don't dismiss this as being unlikely.

Used to, for significant quantities more than feasible for one person. Not any more. Ireland has joined the sensible world.

Many women from the whole Island of Ireland used to travel to London for abortions despite the bans.

 

[pecksniff]

Many women from the whole Island of Ireland used to travel to London for abortions despite the bans.

Well, it is probably cheaper to travel from Ireland to London than from Texas to Illinois, even though you have to cross a sea.

 

[pecksniff]

Republicans’ midterm bet: Voters will care more about inflation than abortion​

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[pecksniff]

Note that the Republicans are not basing any plans on the assumption that the abortion issue will win them votes.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There was a fascinating read yesterday about a 36 year old woman who had the misfortune of having a miscarriage in Texas. The emergency room staff went into full consolation mode when they had to tell her she'd miscarried (she hadn't known she was pregnant) and asked if she'd miscarried before. She made the mistake of being honest and admitting she'd had an abortion in college at age 19. "Consolation mode" immediately became "crime scene investigation" and they began peppering her with questions about her recent activities (trampoline jumping, riding roller coasters, etc) trying to determine if she'd deliberately attempted to induce her own miscarriage.

...and choads like that mouthbreather BabyBoomer50 continue to believe that the "new normal" regarding abortion is going to blow over within a week.

 

[pecksniff]

There was a fascinating read yesterday about a 36 year old woman who had the misfortune of having a miscarriage in Texas. The emergency room staff went into full consolation mode when they had to tell her she'd miscarried (she hadn't known she was pregnant) and asked if she'd miscarried before. She made the mistake of being honest and admitting she'd had an abortion in college at age 19. "Consolation mode" immediately became "crime scene investigation" and they began peppering her with questions about her recent activities (trampoline jumping, riding roller coasters, etc) trying to determine if she'd deliberately attempted to induce her own miscarriage.

...and choads like that mouthbreather BabyBoomer50 continue to believe that the "new normal" regarding abortion is going to blow over within a week.

About half of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. In most such cases, the woman does not even know she was pregnant -- she thinks she's just having a heavy period.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

There was a fascinating read yesterday about a 36 year old woman who had the misfortune of having a miscarriage in Texas. The emergency room staff went into full consolation mode when they had to tell her she'd miscarried (she hadn't known she was pregnant) and asked if she'd miscarried before. She made the mistake of being honest and admitting she'd had an abortion in college at age 19. "Consolation mode" immediately became "crime scene investigation" and they began peppering her with questions about her recent activities (trampoline jumping, riding roller coasters, etc) trying to determine if she'd deliberately attempted to induce her own miscarriage.

...and choads like that mouthbreather BabyBoomer50 continue to believe that the "new normal" regarding abortion is going to blow over within a week.

We just need to let the dumbfucks in Texas secede from the Nation's smart people.