If they raise the minimum wage, tip %'s should go down

[renard_ruse]

When do the laws against murder expire? I figure I'll have a very narrow window to work with.

When they discover a cure for death, and we don't need anti-murder laws as they were orginally intended.

We have discovered a cure for being trapped in a minimum wage job, its called getting a raise and moving up the workplace ladder. When the law was passed, there was less ability to get raises or move up economically. Times have changed, and a law that made sense in the 1930s may no longer make sense as originally intended. Laws against murder still make a lot of sense to most of us.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You're right, times have changed. Now there is even less chance of getting a raise or moving up the ladder. IT simply doesn't happen in America anymore. If anything we need it now more than then, at least then most people still had enough family back on the farm that going back to an agrarian life was still an option. Today very few of us have the option of simply getting out of the city all together.

Thanks for playing though.

 

[neci]

If anyone truly takes ONE minimum wage job with the desire that it will fund their family's lifestyle, then they are ignorant.

If a minimum wage job is the only job a person is able to get, then perhaps that person should look into one or more of the following:

1. Get more than one job....even at minimum wage......

2. Perhaps go to school....college or trade....and learn a skill that pays more in the workforce.

3. Perhaps have more than one person in the family working (this may require the mom at home during the day, the dad at home during the evening.....it might require some adjustments to schedules....but if it is a desire to take care of the family, things have to be done).

4. Sit back and do nothing......welfare will take care of the family.



To expect the amount being paid to a person in the form of minimum wage is going to be enough to fully fund a family is just ridiculous. Minimum wage jobs are there for people to have "extra" money or for those entering the work force with no job experience, thereby receiving it in those lower paying jobs.

If a person in a minimum wage job does not want to improve their money situation, then perhaps one other option would be to stop whining about it. There is not one single company, take a fast food for example, that could afford to pay it's workers $20/hour and NOT have it affect the prices of the food.

What will happen is that the people who purchase food from these places will stop doing that......then the companies will have less money to pay their employees,......then the companies will have to let employees go.....then the employee will have no money and be on welfare anyway.

Why not just let the individual person try and make their own way.....work more hours?.....get another job?......get training in a field which pays more?

It is NOT mandatory that ANY employee works in a minimum wage job. If the employee doesn't like it, then quit. If the employee wants to make more money, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! Asking for more and more money by the employer will result in no jobs for anyone!

Minimum wage jobs are there for people to have "extra" money or for those entering the work force with no job experience, thereby receiving it in those lower paying jobs.

Minimum wage jobs are farm jobs. Minimum wage jobs are server jobs. Minimum wage jobs are chain grocery store jobs. Minimum wage jobs are found in high proportion in blue collar areas where industry has left. Replacing the line job is the night shift at taco bell. The new businesses brought in can hire people at 50cents - 1dollar over minimum wage. Lifetime pay never pulls you out of poverty. Inflation rises on the basic cost of items around you. Your food bill goes up. Your gas, electricity and rent go up. Your mortgage or rent go up. You are making the minimum standard of pay set by the government years ago, and while everything around you rises in cost your paycheck does not.

Over time the ground swells with more people in the exact same boat as you. It grows exponentially. As a culture it creates an environment where parents are never home, and property taxed based school districts deteriorate. The next generation reaps the effects. Survival of the fittest.

If minimum wage were tied to inflation, we wouldn't get into a mess like this. It's at least worth exploring. Base wages would rise and fall more consistently with the economy.

 

[neci]

I said there were jobs here.....at local fast food places....the signs are in the windows.

Yet, the unemployment rate for the country is very high.....so you tell me......why won't people take jobs available?....even if not getting the money they use to?

I will say this, I understand that adults work in the minimum wage jobs. I work with those people. But I also know that, from my personal experience, that is not their only job. Most have at least two.

As far as Walmart, in the example you use, I do not recall anyone forcing a person to apply and work there. If they are not happy with the wage, either find another job or increase their skill level.

Let me go back to my own experience for a second. I work at a place for one specific reason. I have expenses related to my son's Senior year in high school, which this job is paying for. It is a minimum wage job. However, I have worked there for only about 5 months and they have asked me (twice) to become a manager which would result in a pay of $10/hour. Now, if I were looking for full time employment there, I would take that. But, it is a second income source, for a particular purpose, and I will be finished there in May.

My point of bringing that up is, the place where I work knows I am honest, reliable, and a hard worker. It did not take long to be offered more money and more responsibility. If people do not like the money they make, then they need to do something about it. Being a good worker goes a long way in moving up that ladder, so to speak.

I think you can go into any fast food place, and find many workers who could care less that they are there. Some will be complaining, some will look like that have not washed their uniform in a few days, etc. Work ethics come from within. People need to understand that to do better requires self determination and being responsible for their own selves.

You will also notice that those who work hard, often are not there long as they have moved to other jobs.

You do not know the people working behind the counter. Do you have any idea how quickly clothing can get sloppy slinging watered down refried beans? How many single mothers are working their second or third jobs at fast food places? Not everyone is manager material. Most people will go their whole lives working under someone else. That does not mean they work any less than that manager or are lazy or deserve your judgement.