If they raise the minimum wage, tip %'s should go down

[renard_ruse]

The federal minimum wage canard is being dregged up again, mainly to force the Republicans to either cave in to the stupidity or allow the media and Republiphobes to characterize them once again as "meanies" who "don't care about the poor or downtrodden" (the Big Lie). Yet, the minimum wage is the biggest crock ever. Who exactly gets minimum wage? Teenagers and others just starting out in their first job, a few people starting over in a new industry getting in at the ground floor, some illegal aliens, and people who actually make a buttload of money from tips such as waitresses.

Raising the minimum wage, while not even helping a statistically significant percentage of the population, does cause prices on many everyday items to increase which particularly hurts those making slightly or somewhat above the minimum wage, the non-minimum wage working poor especially, while the "tip rich" jobs like waitresses get a double benefit (higher base salary and the inflation caused by the increase added to the price of restaurant food causing the overall bill to increase and thus the tip to increase percentage wise).

So, here's the deal, if the min wage is raised yet again, for political reasons, I propose the suggested tip % for restaurants be reduced from the current 15-20% back down to 10% as it was historically. Same with a corresponding reduction in other fields where tips are customary. Seems only fair, doesn't it?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Minimum wage is designed to inflate the pay of the middle class, forcing them into a higher tax bracket, the process is called BRACKET CREEP. Bottom feeders never benefit from minimum wage, cuz everbody at the bottom gets a raise, and prices rise to pay for the raise.

 

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[mercury14]

If a minimum wage increase affects only a tiny insignificant percentage of workers then its impact on consumer prices will also be insignificant.

Who exactly gets minimum wage? Teenagers and others just starting out in their first job, a few people starting over in a new industry getting in at the ground floor, some illegal aliens, and people who actually make a buttload of money from tips such as waitresses.

And you'll all ignore this but here's who makes minimum wage:

 

[RobDownSouth]

If a minimum wage increase affects only a tiny insignificant percentage of workers then its impact on consumer prices will also be insignificant.



And you'll all ignore this but here's who makes minimum wage:

That chart directly contradicts The Narrative, and as such will be dutifully ignored by the True Believers, who believe that Murica gives them the right to their own facts, as well as their own opinion.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Raise it to $20 and hour and get an instant economics lesson by adding a 40% of the surviving labor force to the unemployment sector.

Sure! Make the Chink robots cheaper to afford.

I just got an idea for a LIT story.

 

[CandiCame]

If a minimum wage increase affects only a tiny insignificant percentage of workers then its impact on consumer prices will also be insignificant.



And you'll all ignore this but here's who makes minimum wage:

Doc, why do you keep trying to preach sense to these people? Just out of curiosity?

 

[mercury14]

Doc, why do you keep trying to preach sense to these people? Just out of curiosity?

Just exposing them for being phonies. It takes so little effort so why not?

 

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[CandiCame]

Just exposing them for being phonies. It takes so little effort so why not?

Yeah, but the cumulative effort has to be something. I bet if you added up all the ten second google searches you had to do, you would cumulatively had time to make a moderately delicious sandwich.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

My point being, those who could not produce at that level, would be forbidden to work in the United States by law.

VETTE? Its all over! Gold is dropping like a rock.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Just exposing them for being phonies. It takes so little effort so why not?

Not all of them are phonies. Some are just hypocrites.

 

[Adre]

OP, don't be such a fucking cheapskate.

 

[mercury14]

Not all of them are phonies. Some are just hypocrites.

I was listening to Hannity on the way home from work the other day about this. His point was that minimum wage is for inexperienced workers so it's okay that they're paid next to nothing. Then a caller asked him if new workers need to survive and feed their families and Hannity was unable to acknowledge the question, much less answer it.

And when Hannity can't address a question neither can Lit's conservatives. Whenever I tune in to that show all of the day's talking points are immediately posted on Lit. But the conservatives swear that they don't listen to Hannity. It's just a coincidence.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Triple filtered for your protection!

I was listening to Hannity on the way home from work the other day about this. His point was that minimum wage is for inexperienced workers so it's okay that they're paid next to nothing. Then a caller asked him if new workers need to survive and feed their families and Hannity was unable to acknowledge the question, much less answer it.

And when Hannity can't address a question neither can Lit's conservatives. Whenever I tune in to that show all of the talking points are immediately posted on Lit. But the conservatives swear that they don't listen to Hannity. It's just a coincidence.

I've noticed a phenomenon I call "triple filtering" here on Lit.

An Example:

• News: SAT scores for blacks dip an average of one percent in New York.
• Filter one - Hannity: SAT scores plummet for blacks in New York!
• Filter two - random wingnut blog: SAT scores plummet for blacks nationwide!
• Filter three - Vettebigot: Every single black in America failed the SAT last year!

It's like the old game "telephone". With each iteration, the news gets more dire.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Minimum wage is designed to inflate the pay of the middle class, forcing them into a higher tax bracket, the process is called BRACKET CREEP. Bottom feeders never benefit from minimum wage, cuz everbody at the bottom gets a raise, and prices rise to pay for the raise.

So we can add progressive taxation to the long list of topics you don't understand.

 

[RobDownSouth]

So we can add progressive taxation to the long list of topics you don't understand.

Are you sure you want to do this? We just sent galley proofs of Volume 2 of "Things JAMESBRACIST Doesn't Understand" to the printers.

Oh well, I guess Volume 3 was inevitable.

 

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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

So we can add progressive taxation to the long list of topics you don't understand.

Didn't I just see you down at the Saint Pia Zadora Thrift Store? Sure! Youre the old biker man who came in with fresh blood all over his tee shirt and sneakers, wanting a quick change.

But Man! Whyd you leave all that bloody mess in the dressing room on the floor?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Not for long. Time to buy. It's only dropping because Cypress has been told to cure its fiscal problem by selling its gold reserves, thus flooding the market with new supply and lowering the price. But, continued printing of fiat money assures another upward move in the future.

Hmmm. Obama will try it next.

 

[mercury14]

Not for long. Time to buy. It's only dropping because Cypress has been told to cure its fiscal problem by selling its gold reserves, thus flooding the market with new supply and lowering the price. But, continued printing of fiat money assures another upward move in the future.

Even if Cyrus sold every last ounce of its gold reserves it would effectively cause a 0% bump in global supply. A 0% increase in supply will not cause a 25% loss in value, genius.

 

[RobDownSouth]

See Vetty Derp. Derp, Vetty, Derp.

Not for long. Time to buy. It's only dropping because Cypress has been told to cure its fiscal problem by selling its gold reserves, thus flooding the market with new supply and lowering the price. But, continued printing of fiat money assures another upward move in the future.

Cypress has categorically denied any and all plans to sell their gold reserves, but hey facts never mattered much to True Believers.

 

[mercury14]

Cypress has categorically denied any and all plans to sell their gold reserves, but hey facts never mattered much to True Believers.

Psst! The most accepted spelling is Cyprus. Just a heads up because kbate is gonna log in soon.

 

[julybaby04]

If anyone truly takes ONE minimum wage job with the desire that it will fund their family's lifestyle, then they are ignorant.

If a minimum wage job is the only job a person is able to get, then perhaps that person should look into one or more of the following:

1. Get more than one job....even at minimum wage......

2. Perhaps go to school....college or trade....and learn a skill that pays more in the workforce.

3. Perhaps have more than one person in the family working (this may require the mom at home during the day, the dad at home during the evening.....it might require some adjustments to schedules....but if it is a desire to take care of the family, things have to be done).

4. Sit back and do nothing......welfare will take care of the family.



To expect the amount being paid to a person in the form of minimum wage is going to be enough to fully fund a family is just ridiculous. Minimum wage jobs are there for people to have "extra" money or for those entering the work force with no job experience, thereby receiving it in those lower paying jobs.

If a person in a minimum wage job does not want to improve their money situation, then perhaps one other option would be to stop whining about it. There is not one single company, take a fast food for example, that could afford to pay it's workers $20/hour and NOT have it affect the prices of the food.

What will happen is that the people who purchase food from these places will stop doing that......then the companies will have less money to pay their employees,......then the companies will have to let employees go.....then the employee will have no money and be on welfare anyway.

Why not just let the individual person try and make their own way.....work more hours?.....get another job?......get training in a field which pays more?

It is NOT mandatory that ANY employee works in a minimum wage job. If the employee doesn't like it, then quit. If the employee wants to make more money, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!! Asking for more and more money by the employer will result in no jobs for anyone!