Why the $15 minimum wage will cost California 400,000 jobs

[Rightguide]

You can't support a family working at Walmart. They need to cut hours back and hire more people making it a truly part-time job work place

Nobody is dragging people into Walmart kicking and screaming. They can look elsewhere for a job if they don't like it there.

 

[Luk]

I'd rather keep most of them, they work and shit.


If we're picking and choosing I'd rather shit can the jobless degenerate valley trash, all convicted violent offenders and the homeless/junkie population on the coast.

Then we can talk about the illegals.

But LOL, this is California they are going to try and save them all via TAXES!!!

vetteman is too dumb to see what California's workforce and productivity would look like if we deported 4-5 million illegals.

Have you ever seen a white person pick a strawberry or an avocado?

 

[BotanyBoy]

vetteman is too dumb to see what California's workforce and productivity would look like if we deported 4-5 million illegals.

It would open up jobs to the bums and junkies....but they wouldn't do it anyhow so we should still just send them all to Canada and the UK.

Have you ever seen a white person pick a strawberry or an avocado?

Yea, all jokes aside there are a lot more white laborers, broke ass trailer park boys, than you might think.

At least in the north state, things might get browner the further south you get but up here I'd say 30-50% of farm workers up here are white with almost as many asians as central/south Americans.

 

[Luk]

It would open up jobs to the bums and junkies....but they wouldn't do it anyhow so we should still just send them all to Canada and the UK.



Yea, all jokes aside there are a lot more poor white laborers than you might think.

At least in the north state, things might get browner the further south you get but up here I'd say 30-50% of farm workers up here are white.

Dude, 3-5% would be a high number here and that includes foremen.

 

[Rightguide]

It would open up jobs to the bums and junkies....but they wouldn't do it anyhow so we should still just send them all to Canada and the UK.



Yea, all jokes aside there are a lot more white laborers, broke ass trailer park boys, than you might think.

At least in the north state, things might get browner the further south you get but up here I'd say 30-50% of farm workers up here are white with almost as many asians as central/south Americans.

What would happen is those jobs would be done by machines when Mexican welfare becomes a thing of the past. Like how Luk lost his job to a kiosk at Mickey Ds.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Dude, 3-5% would be a high number here and that includes foremen.

You're a lot further south, makes sense.

Up here there are a bunch of Asians too....almost as many as south/central Americans.

Most of the ones I've encounter are Hmong, Viet, Guatemalan and Mexican.

By the time you make it up to WA there are practically no Latinos or blacks anywhere. HEAVY Scandinavian/Polish/German population and native Americans. Seattle is like the whitest city I swear, even the natives are pasty.

Tropical/subtropical folks tend to not like it up there much...probably because they don't get enough sun and start going nuts.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Nobody is dragging people into Walmart kicking and screaming. They can look elsewhere for a job if they don't like it there.

Wow I keep forgetting how stupid the right is and why they need to be just shamed out of society because this is so false that we actuall tell people you should be happy to have a job.

 

[Hypoxia]

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Y'all may notice that California is way down toward the bottom of the tax-load list, and that Nebraska, Iowa, and voodoo-economics-experiment Kansas are in the upper section. Texas is about midway, way above California. Now tell me why Left Coasters would want to leave?

PS: Scott Walker's miracle Wisconsin is also way up there in tax load. Cut taxes? Ha. Just shift them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

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Y'all may notice that California is way down toward the bottom of the tax-load list, and that Nebraska, Iowa, and voodoo-economics-experiment Kansas are in the upper section. Texas is about midway, way above California. Now tell me why Left Coasters would want to leave?

Because when you see it in raw dollars Cali shoots to the top of the list, and in those states gas, food and housing only cost 1/2 or less what they do in California.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Wow I keep forgetting how stupid the right is and why they need to be just shamed out of society because this is so false that we actuall tell people you should be happy to have a job.

How is that false?

I've never had a private company threaten me with violence for not wanting to work.

Not a single one EVER.

The only employer that's ever done so has been the US Government.

Yes, the right must be just shamed, because freedom and liberty are horrible things!!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Unless you can eat love you've been threatened with violence by every employer on the planet.

 

[Rightguide]

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Y'all may notice that California is way down toward the bottom of the tax-load list, and that Nebraska, Iowa, and voodoo-economics-experiment Kansas are in the upper section. Texas is about midway, way above California. Now tell me why Left Coasters would want to leave?

...wrong post

 

[Rightguide]

Wow I keep forgetting how stupid the right is and why they need to be just shamed out of society because this is so false that we actuall tell people you should be happy to have a job.

Apparently, you labor under the myth that business has a moral responsibility to provide jobs in the first place.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Apparently, you labor under the myth that business has a moral responsibility to provide jobs in the first place.

Actually my government does not the individual businesses. It's like you labor under the myth that I don't have a right to live.

 

[Dribble]

Apparently, you labor under the myth that business has a moral responsibility to provide jobs in the first place.

Still living off your retirement? The one built by all those "crappy" union workers you had?

 

[Hypoxia]

Actually my government does not the individual businesses. It's like you labor under the myth that I don't have a right to live.

What are the obligations of gov't at federal, state and local levels? Why do we even HAVE gov't?

It's right there in the Preamble to the Constitution: "...to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."

That "domestic Tranquility" and "general Welfare" stuff means federal, state, and local govt's are OBLIGED to promote employment, health, education, equable laws and enforcement, and sustainable development, for "ourselves and our Posterity..." Gov't not working toward those goals has failed.

"Conservatives say government doesn't work, Then they get elected, and prove it,"
--conservative humorist PJ O'Rourke

 

[BotanyBoy]

Unless you can eat love you've been threatened with violence by every employer on the planet.

What absolute bullshit.

Not being charitable =|= threat of violence.

It’s not even in the same ballpark, but hey any level of dishonesty is justified when you’re position is desperate right?

 

[Sean Renaud]

You're the one being dishonest. If you have a right to live you have a right to a job. Period. End of discussion.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're the one being dishonest.

How?

If you have a right to live you have a right to a job. Period. End of discussion.

You don't need a job to live, BILLIONS of humans live every day without one.

So a right to live is not a right to a job, and certainly not a job loaded with all the shit I'm sure you believe employees are entitled too, in what socialist unicorn fart of a universe is that a reality? Not a single one ever.....


IF you won't discuss it further that just goes to expose what a weak statement/position that is.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Everything you've stated for weeks is dishonest. The government is people not a tool, the people in it are responsible for what happens. But the military is a tool, the people in it are not responsible for their actions. The government is because they make the orders. It's not your fault for volunteering, it's not your fault for not refusing orders. Because you only take responsibility when you want it and you change the rules on the fly. I'm willing to play by your rules not mine but your rules are flexible because you don't want to own a damn thing.

Billions live without jobs in countries where you still farm and farming is only a job if some one else buys your goods and/or hunting. Not the same in the US.

We desperately need socialism in this country and everybody knows it. The problem is that people like you see two options, one where people prosper because the government is used for good and one where people suffer because you enjoy being a twatwaffle. And you choose the latter.

We know that the interstate has created billions in wealth both by shipping and the auto industry and fastfood. We know that the internet has created billions in wealth. We know that the space program has done the same. We know that private industry would never have created any of these things because they don't take risks in the real world. We know that people don't start from the ground up, nobody in America has even seen the ground, they might be lower than you but none of them literally had to invent weapons to hunt down animals.

We're done because you're argument boils down to "you're dumb" and mine is a well articulated case of everybody builds upon the work of those before them and those around them and we shouldn't be thinking that collaborating means holding others down. We need to understand that it is a tool that we the people command. If you think this regulation is bad get rid of it, if you think we need more do that but the problem isn't that the tool exists it's that you are afraid of it because you are a coward.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Everything you've stated for weeks is dishonest. The government is people not a tool, the people in it are responsible for what happens. But the military is a tool, the people in it are not responsible for their actions.

If you think this regulation is bad get rid of it, if you think we need more do that but the problem isn't that the tool exists it's that you are afraid of it because you are a coward.

I never said any of that shit, bold face fuckin' lies.

Never even implied it.

Take your fuckin' pills and try again comrade.

We desperately need socialism in this country and everybody knows it.

This is the only part of that post you were actually honest in.

And no we don't. We just need the the government to quit being so dumb and greedy.

If you want socialism ya just need to GTFO, you're in the wrong country.

We're done because you're argument boils down to "you're dumb" and mine is a well articulated case of everybody builds upon the work of those before them and those around them and we shouldn't be thinking that collaborating means holding others down.

You can't even explain basic things like how Trump and the GOP aren't responsible for their actions while in office. You have no argument you're running in circles trying to avoid answering for stupid socialist derp.

Collaborating doesn't mean holding others down.

But collaboration and socialism aren't the same thing, if you think they are you need to go look up the definition of socialism.

 

[Rightguide]

Still living off your retirement? The one built by all those "crappy" union workers you had?

I'm 15 fucking years from retirement you dribbling fool.

 

[Rightguide]

Actually my government does not the individual businesses. It's like you labor under the myth that I don't have a right to live.

All I'm saying is people have a right to open a business and not hire anyone if they don't want to or need to.

 

[coachdb18]

You're the one being dishonest. If you have a right to live you have a right to a job. Period. End of discussion.

People lived for thousands of years 'off the grid' before 'the grid' existed, and lived by farming, and hunting, and scavenging. There is not now, nor has there EVER been 'a right to a job'. The bill of rights (which liberals don't believe in) is the basic list of rights which our government promises not to interfere with, which are actual God given rights (right to life, liberty, right to defend yourself, etc). But a 'right' to a Job? nawwww..... That's why we have interviews and rejection letters....

 

[DeYaKen]

No. They've lost the ability to deduct their state taxes on their federal tax returns. They will be moving out for states where taxes are lower.

If the only reason they live in California is low taxes that could be true but there are usually a large number of factors that makes someone decide where they want to live. If tax was the only reason then we would see people moving from country to country a lot more but we don't. As I said before, there are no queues of rich people trying to leave high tax countries.