Do Republicans appreciate what losing Roe V Wade will do to them?

[Rightguide]

As I said above: Roe V Wade is a bad law, but ending it abruptly and introducing anti-abortion laws in some states is going too far. What is needed is a realistic system of contraception and abortion when necessary, not political posturing.

Those anti-abortion laws in some states are the voice of the majority of people living there, as it should be.

 

[pecksniff]

Those anti-abortion laws in some states are the voice of the majority of people living there, as it should be.

Bear in mind that those states are also the worst offenders in pro-Pub partisan gerrymandering, so, maybe not.

 

[neuroparenthetical]

Those anti-abortion laws in some states are the voice of the majority of people living there, as it should be.

Majority-shopping is such a subtle and nuanced way to implement tyranny. I'm sure nobody will notice.

Hey, guess what? I don't like what my state's majority is doing, so I'm going to find a smaller majority that does, and then use your own rationale to justify myself. Then somebody else will decide that my smaller majority sucks, and do the same.

Pretty soon, we might get down to majorities of one. Huh. Wait a second. That almost sounds like we're looping back around to this idea of fundamental rights, and limited government. It almost sounds like we've constructed a rationale for why majoritarianism should never be absolute.

Would you care to cut the bullshit and offer an argument for why majoritarianism of any kind should reign supreme for this particular issue?

 

[butters]

i'd not be in the least surprised to find it was thomas' wife who leaked the draft ruling with intent to seal SCOTUS judges into their 'overturn roe v wade positions

having said that, he's now pouting about justice Roberts, going so far to say the court was better before Roberts joined. Roberts doesn't always vote the way conservatives would like, and is known to have some sway over the opinion of some of his fellow judges. While he's against r.v.w's 23 weeks line, he's seen to be in favour of a more moderate 15 weeks and might well be trying to convince other SCOTUS judges to ameliorate their positions in order to amend the time scale of r.v.w to that rather than go for a complete overturn and all the chaos that would bring to democracy in the USA.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=5d22764a67d74294b8e677b4f534e2cb

Last week at a Dallas conference, Thomas took a surprising, public jab at Roberts. Thomas has long touted the good relations inside the court and avoided public criticism of colleagues. He might not always have embraced his colleagues, but he avoided letting any enmity slip.

Thomas last week recalled the court atmosphere before 2005, when Roberts joined, and said, “We actually trusted each other. We may have been a dysfunctional family, but we were a family, and we loved it.”

Thomas’ blunt remarks suggest new antagonism toward Roberts and added to the uncertainty regarding the ultimate ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, expected by the end of June.

Roberts, with his institutionalist approach, is positioned as the one justice who might generate a compromise opinion that stops short of completely overturning Roe v. Wade, at least this year. That would thwart an outcome that Thomas has worked toward for decades.

 

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[butters]

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[Comshaw]

Do Republicans appreciate what losing Roe V Wade will do to them?​

Sure they will. It will empower them to do more, as in:

Banning contraception, gay marriage and imposing the “Christian moral order” on the nation.

Eubanks, a Gen Z conservative who falsely claims Trump won the 2020 election in Michigan, disclosed her extreme views in an interview on “Church Militant,” a digital media service that has been designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as an “anti-LGBTQ hate group.”


Church Militant is run by Michael Voris, an ex-TV news reporter and formerly gay man who has been criticized as a leader of the “Catholic alt-right.” (Church Militant has strained relations with actual church leaders; it was originally known as RealCatholicTV until the Archdiocese of Detroit told Voris he was not “authorized” to use the word Catholic in his branding.)

In the interview, posted to Eubank’s campaign Facebook page on Thursday, she insisted she is not a typical politician, “walking in the ways of the wicked,” and said her campaign is a manifestation of “God bringing together a coalition of true conservatives to save this country.”

Voris and Eubanks engaged in a lengthy discussion of politics and faith. “We see everything going on with Roe right now — the left becoming completely uncorked losing their minds,” Voris said. “They’re saying, ‘They’re coming after your gay marriage next. They’re coming after your birth control.'” He paused a beat before adding with a smile, “Well, you know what… yeah!”

Eubanks signaled her agreement, and launched into a fundamentalist diatribe. “You cannot have a successful society outside of the Christian moral order,” she claimed, insisting that “things like abortion and things like gay marriage are outside the Christian moral order.” Eubanks added: “They lead to chaos and destruction and a culture of death; we’ve abandoned the Christian moral order as a nation and we are reaping that destruction.”

Comshaw

 

[butters]

eubanks

said birth control "should not be legal," and without it, people would be more likely to "practice chastity."

Eubanks, who worked for Trump's 2020 presidential campaign and named right-wing firebrand Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene as her hero, said people will be "more careful about their actions" if there is "no such thing as consequence-free sex."

"I think people would actually be more likely to wait until marriage, to practice chastity, which is incredibly important," she said. "I think that the birth rate of children outside of wedlock would probably go down in that case."

Eubanks says the country has an "underpopulation problem," and that could be avoided if the US was "truly a pro-life culture."

"That is why sex ought to be between one man and one woman in the confines of marriage," she said. She then repeated Voris, saying "and open to life."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=8725ee0589fd422ca0710dc0b5e83bb4
how many conservatives will bring themselves to vote for this woman? there are openly gay conservatives, couples who live and sex together who aren't married, and the majority of people (conservative/republican or not) have sex before and often outside of marriage

 

[butters]

trump-endorsed herschel walker "no abortions for ANY reason"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=8725ee0589fd422ca0710dc0b5e83bb4

Georgia Senate candidate and former football star Herschel Walker said Wednesday he supports abortion bans without any exceptions for rape, incest or the health of the mother.

"There's no exception in my mind," Walker told reporters after a campaign speech. "Like I say, I believe in life. I believe in life."

so long as that life is the fetus and not the mother, right? right. and once the birth's happened, he'll wash his hands and say it's all 'up to the parents' and 'you shouldn't have a baby unless you can afford it'.

and what about the TN pastor facing imprisonment for transporting a minor across state lines, purportedly for 'bible class' but, in fact, to continue having sex with her which he's done since she was 13? if she was impregnated, good ol' herschel would make damned good and sure she had to carry and deliver that life.
https://www.wbbjtv.com/2022/05/17/f...l district court to an eight-count indictment.

 

[butters]

of course it's a hypothetical and going nowhere, but bill introduced for mandatory vasectomies

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...pc=U531&cvid=8725ee0589fd422ca0710dc0b5e83bb4

"I would invite you to co-author a bill that I'm considering next year that would mandate that each male, when they reach puberty, get a mandatory vasectomy that's only reversible when they reach the point of financial and emotional stability," he told GOP lawmakers.

"If you think that's crazy then I think that maybe you understand how 50 percent of Oklahomans feel, as well," the Democrat said.

 

[PaxNurgle]

How is that proposed bill, though intended to be satirical, any different from the Republicans proposed bill making it mandatory for a rape victim to carry her rapist's baby to term?

The answer: The Republicans bill is, if anything, crueler, and it is also more likely to actually become a law.

So much for "less government" right?

 

[icanhelp1]

How is that proposed bill, though intended to be satirical, any different from the Republicans proposed bill making it mandatory for a rape victim to carry her rapist's baby to term?

The answer: The Republicans bill is, if anything, crueler, and it is also more likely to actually become a law.

So much for "less government" right?

It's called democracy!

 

[phrodeau]

It's called democracy!

Yes, it’s clear that the majority of Americans are pro-rape.

 

[Wordgasm]

The people to blame for this bullshit is Moscow Mitch and Traitor Trump, with help from The Federalist Society that told Trump who to put on the courts.

 

[rockcasbah]

Yes, it’s clear that the majority of Americans are pro-rape.

To be fair, some are hobbyists.

 

[TallMan69]

Apparently, Clarence Thomas forgot that he’s a SCOTUS judge and not the damn pope! Hold on to your butts, this crazy town Trump Alice in Wonderland hole 🕳 has gone off the rails with plans to go deeper.

https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...recedents-on-contraceptives-lgbtq-rights/amp/

Look out. They have Griswold Lawrence, and Obergefell in their sights.

 

[adrina]

Buttery males!

Aren't you all so relieved we avoided that whole fiasco. Man that could have been a disaster!

 

[butters]

Apparently, Clarence Thomas forgot that he’s a SCOTUS judge and not the damn pope! Hold on to your butts, this crazy town Trump Alice in Wonderland hole 🕳 has gone off the rails with plans to go deeper.

https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...recedents-on-contraceptives-lgbtq-rights/amp/

Look out. They have Griswold Lawrence, and Obergefell in their sights.

fuck him and the cult he rode in on

the sooner the fully investigate his cult wife and see if her influence plays too much into his every decision the better.

 

[mayfly13]

If Roe V Wade is overturned, and it is feasible because it is bad law, are the Republicans prepared for the backlash? Many states are preparing anti-abortion laws.

But the vast majority of American women will be upset at the imposing of

laws reminiscent of Afghanistan's Taliban. Even though they might never contemplate an abortion, the idea that they or their daughters are refused that possibility is alaming.

Even if such legislation was accompanied by an extensive network of contraceptive advice and supplies, it will still be unpopular. Many staunch Republican women could desert their party, particularly if the Democrats promise new legislation to reintroduce abortion and contraception.

The mid-terms are approaching. Roe v Wade could cost the Republicans dearly.

exactly, only in Afghanistan you see that.

I also foresee a massive exodus of --not just young people under 35,
but also of those under the age of 50.

What parent of teenagers do you think will want to risk staying there?

 

[icanhelp1]

exactly, only in Afghanistan you see that.

I also foresee a massive exodus of --not just young people under 35,
but also of those under the age of 50.

What parent of teenagers do you think will want to risk staying there?

True democracy is such a splendid thing, too bad the left doesn't understand how it works.

 

[butters]

“Today the Supreme Court of the United States expressly took away a constitutional right for the American people,” Mr. Biden said from the White House. “They didn’t limit it, they simply took it away.”

“No executive action from the president can do that,” Mr. Biden said of codifying Roe in law. “Congress as it appears lacks the votes.”

“Voters need to make their voices heard,” Mr. Biden added. “This fall we must elect more senators and representatives who will codify a women’s right to choose once again

Mr. Biden’s speech amounted to one of the more forceful defenses of reproductive rights for a president that has not always been comfortable speaking about the issue. It was also another step in Mr. Biden’s evolution from a critic of Roe early in his career to a forceful defender of a woman’s right to choose.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=e7e1a545ed3c49f29df7cb138cb2e6d6

with the gun shit and now this, if democrats don't turn out and vote wholesale there's little more to be said

with judge thomas' foreshadowing of the attack on gay marriage and contraceptive access, there should be many who voted republican before now questioning their position. should be. will they act on it? another thing the court seems to have forgotten (quite aside from the majority of Americans being pro-choice), is the shrinking of numbers of those who affiliate with any church/religion. Younger people, especially, who've grown up in more educated spheres, with access to contraception and the choice of an abortion if it comes down to it, won't sit back (i trust) and accept this rewind to the 50's.

 

[Rightguide]

If Roe V Wade is overturned, and it is feasible because it is bad law, are the Republicans prepared for the backlash? Many states are preparing anti-abortion laws.

But the vast majority of American women will be upset at the imposing of laws reminiscent of Afghanistan's Taliban. Even though they might never contemplate an abortion, the idea that they or their daughters are refused that possibility is alaming.

Even if such legislation was accompanied by an extensive network of contraceptive advice and supplies, it will still be unpopular. Many staunch Republican women could desert their party, particularly if the Democrats promise new legislation to reintroduce abortion and contraception.

The mid-terms are approaching. Roe v Wade could cost the Republicans dearly.

It will do nothing.

 

[ll74]

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/thomas-constitutional-rights-00042256

Thomas wants to keep going

 

[Rightguide]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...sedgntp&cvid=e7e1a545ed3c49f29df7cb138cb2e6d6

with the gun shit and now this, if democrats don't turn out and vote wholesale there's little more to be said

with judge thomas' foreshadowing of the attack on gay marriage and contraceptive access, there should be many who voted republican before now questioning their position. should be. will they act on it? another thing the court seems to have forgotten (quite aside from the majority of Americans being pro-choice), is the shrinking of numbers of those who affiliate with any church/religion. Younger people, especially, who've grown up in more educated spheres, with access to contraception and the choice of an abortion if it comes down to it, won't sit back (i trust) and accept this rewind to the 50's.

As usual, Biden is full of shit. There was never a right to abortion enumerated in the Constitution. It was a phony construction of a leftist court that has been corrected by a true interpretation of the Constitution.