GOP to Target Hardcore Porn

[Stella_Omega]

yep, I have some of those stories too.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I noticed that, and thought it might be some kind of Bidenesque slip of the tongue, unless the reference was just to women on Medicare. Otherwise, it's pretty obvious the ability to choose, which Obamacare partly takes away, is to the betterment of those making the choice.

If you are wondering about that comment about Obamacare partly taking away choices, it's in the matter of people choosing to pass up health insurance. Some healthy young people would prefer to not have to pay for health insurance when they don't expect to need it, and Obamacare punishes anybody who makes the choice to do that.

The first part I highlighted is just ass backwards. National health care would give women more choices and more access to what they want and need without insurance companies ripping them off or excluding them.

The second part shows me that you have no idea how the system will work. Everyone! got that part. Will be offered an insurance plan at a low set rate. You can either take it or you can buy regular insurance at a lot higher rate. But you have to do one or the other.

First, is "National Health Care" another name for what most people call Obamacare? I have never heard it caled that, and the name sounds very much like that of the British system.

Second, are you really sure people will have more choices under whatever it is you mean? From what I have read and heard, doctors will be retiring early rather than having to operate under Obamacare, besides not as many bright people studying medicine.

As for insurance companies ripping people off, they are doing more of that now than they were a few years ago, at least in my experience. On the first day of the July after Obamacare passed, I started being charged 80% more for my supplemental health insurance than I had been paying.

In your second paragraph, you refer to insurance at a low set rate. Presumably, this will mean the federal gov. with all their waste, fraud and inefficiency, will be running the insurance, and needing to be heavily subsidized by the taxpayers.

I said there will be some reduction in health care choices, and I bolded the part where you agree with me. Requiring that people buy health insurance, whether they want it and think they will need it or not, is a reduction in health care choices.

 

[Stella_Omega]

when people say "reduction in health care choices," Box, they are not generally talking about not having access to health care.

But-- that's what YOU claim to mean by it, so okay. We all know you're speshul.

 

[TxRad]

I noticed that, and thought it might be some kind of Bidenesque slip of the tongue, unless the reference was just to women on Medicare. Otherwise, it's pretty obvious the ability to choose, which Obamacare partly takes away, is to the betterment of those making the choice.

If you are wondering about that comment about Obamacare partly taking away choices, it's in the matter of people choosing to pass up health insurance. Some healthy young people would prefer to not have to pay for health insurance when they don't expect to need it, and Obamacare punishes anybody who makes the choice to do that.



First, is "National Health Care" another name for what most people call Obamacare? I have never heard it caled that, and the name sounds very much like that of the British system.

Second, are you really sure people will have more choices under whatever it is you mean? From what I have read and heard, doctors will be retiring early rather than having to operate under Obamacare, besides not as many bright people studying medicine.

As for insurance companies ripping people off, they are doing more of that now than they were a few years ago, at least in my experience. On the first day of the July after Obamacare passed, I started being charged 80% more for my supplemental health insurance than I had been paying.

In your second paragraph, you refer to insurance at a low set rate. Presumably, this will mean the federal gov. with all their waste, fraud and inefficiency, will be running the insurance, and needing to be heavily subsidized by the taxpayers.

I said there will be some reduction in health care choices, and I bolded the part where you agree with me. Requiring that people buy health insurance, whether they want it and think they will need it or not, is a reduction in health care choices.

"National Health Care" is what it is, Obamacare is the republican parties attack name for it. Doctors retiring early and people forgoing medicine for other fields is propaganda against medical reform. Period. The AMA and other doctors and nursing association came out for the National Heath care plan.

Sure the insurance companies upped you rate. Can you spell blackmail. And no the federal government is not getting into the insurance business. The rates will be from regular insurance companies but the rates will be set by government or a council. One or the other.

The idea is for everyone to have the basic healthcare services. Everyone. Hospitals and doctors lose billions of dollars a year to people who do not have or did not think they needed insurance. That is not a reduction in choices. That is common sense. You never know when you might get hit with a bus.

Quit listening to Fox and Friends. Even they don't call it news anymore. It's opinion and only one side of the question. Pull the bill up and read it. It is on line.

 

[BONNIEBREA]

It helps to remember that party platforms have really become irrelevent, and more and more so over the last half century or so. Back in the first half of the 20th century and in the 19th century party platforms were very deliberately written, scrutinized by voters, and the party's candidate ran specifically on the details of the platform.

Over the last half century party platforms have greatly waned in importance. Candidates almost never refer to the platform in running for office, and no one really pays attention to the party platform. These days it's become a place for the extremists in the party (all parties) to have their little say and then everyone ignores the whole thing.

Of course, the idea that these are conservatives and they hate freedom is just a manifestation of 21st century America.

 

[Boxlicker101]

"National Health Care" is what it is, Obamacare is the republican parties attack name for it. Doctors retiring early and people forgoing medicine for other fields is propaganda against medical reform. Period. The AMA and other doctors and nursing association came out for the National Heath care plan.

"The Affordable Healthcare Act" is the actual name of what most people call Obamacare. You know as well as I do that when you mention something and it is capitalized, you are saying it is a name, not just a descriptive phrase. You also know the AMA speaks for itself and not its members.

Sure the insurance companies upped you rate. Can you spell blackmail. And no the federal government is not getting into the insurance business. The rates will be from regular insurance companies but the rates will be set by government or a council. One or the other.

How can this be blackmailing me when I have nothing to say about a law that has already been passed? The federal gov. is already deeply in the insurance business thrugh Medicare and Medicaid. Obamacare gets them even more deeply involved through setting rates and whatever else they will be doing.

The idea is for everyone to have the basic healthcare services. Everyone. Hospitals and doctors lose billions of dollars a year to people who do not have or did not think they needed insurance. That is not a reduction in choices. That is common sense. You never know when you might get hit with a bus.

Quit listening to Fox and Friends. Even they don't call it news anymore. It's opinion and only one side of the question. Pull the bill up and read it. It is on line.

Where do yu get the figure "Billions of dollars?" Medical providers do suffer some losses in ER costs, and this will continue even under Obamacare. Will illegal aliens be covered? If so, how can you require them to pay a fine through the income taxes they don't pay. In the highly unlikely event I get hit by a bus, it will be the fault of the bus company, and they will pay the medical bills, and/or compensation to my family for my loss.

And, there is no way to convince me that up is down or vice-versa, just as there is no way to convince me that B] requiring [/B]people to buy health insurance does not take away part of their right to make healthcare choices.

 

[Boxlicker101]

By the way, how did we get from pornography to this?

ETA: Okay, it was Posts 11 and 12 and, especially 27.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Box, the really cool thing? Is that your opinion doesn't matter a motherfucking bean.

I now have access to care that I could not afford one year ago.

My girlfriend will, perhaps, live because she can get chemo now. My husband can afford a hernia operation-- a small thing you may think,-- and indeed he's been able to ignore it for a couple of years-- but it's affected the quality of his life.

In very real and specifically life changing and enhancing ways, National Healthcare has made an difference for people around you.

And you'll find it will make a difference for you too, bless your kneejerk little heart.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Box, the really cool thing? Is that your opinion doesn't matter a motherfucking bean.

I now have access to care that I could not afford one year ago.

My girlfriend will, perhaps, live because she can get chemo now. My husband can afford a hernia operation-- a small thing you may think,-- and indeed he's been able to ignore it for a couple of years-- but it's affected the quality of his life.

In very real and specifically life changing and enhancing ways, National Healthcare has made an difference for people around you.

And you'll find it will make a difference for you too, bless your kneejerk little heart.

I know my opinion means nothing in the large scheme of things. I'm pretty sure yours doesn't either, nor does the opinion of anybody here.

Best wishes to your girlfriend and to your husband, and I don't think a hernia operation is a small thing. Some people will benefit from Obamacare, at least in the short run. I don't know about ten or so years from now.

I don't believe it will have any effect on me, unless a negative one in the eventual rationing of healthcare to Medicare patients.

There might be an eventual beneficial effect to a daughter who, with her four offspring, emigrated legally to the US four years ago. Shortly after her arrival, she was diagnosed with a serious illness which had been contracted in the Philippines, and her bills and those of her children were paid by Medicaid or treatments were provided by County Health Services, but what I am describing happened before Obamacare was passed. Two of the offspring are now working and paying for their own health insurance or having it provided by their employers. One daughter is starting college and one son is still in high school, and they are both covered by Medicaid. Eventually, I expect all five of these people to work and be covered by their employers' healthcare plans.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Who's telling you that medicare healthcare will be rationed?

 

[sun_sea_sky]

This thread has wandered a bit away from hardcore porn, hasn't it?

 

[Stella_Omega]

This thread has wandered a bit away from hardcore porn, hasn't it?

We've been pretty good at staying on topic lately, too.

Funny.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Who's telling you that medicare healthcare will be rationed?

I don't know if it will be or not, and neither do you. I am strictly speculating, but I do know that Obamacare takes a big part of its funding away from Medicare.

And, please don't tell me that loss of fundng will be made up for by eliminating fraud and waste. If that could be done, it would have been done a long time ago.

 

[xssve]

Lesson: they need a scourge.

So, give them a better one - not easy, but its not like there aren't any if you possess an actual human conscience.

 

[ProxyAccount]

"National Health Care" is what it is, Obamacare is the republican parties attack name for it. Doctors retiring early and people forgoing medicine for other fields is propaganda against medical reform. Period. The AMA and other doctors and nursing association came out for the National Heath care plan.

The act effectively subsidizes the AMA (which only represents 17% of doctors) and delivers the general public to the insurance companies. It certainly does not eliminate the AMA's monopoly on medical billing codes, which account for much of the administrative costs of medicine. It does not fix the problem with Medicare payments. (Indeed, it is more likely to exacerbate the disparity that exists by increasing the number of individuals covered by Medicare.) According to the National Physicians Survey, more physicians rely on state advocacy groups to represent them, not the nationally associations. Moreover, 40% of doctors don't feel that anyone is representing their interests. 65% of physicians believe that under the HCRA/PPACA ("Obamacare"), health care will *deteriorate*. Only 18% believe that it will improve.

 

[xssve]

Logical consistency is not a conservative strong suit, which would be readily apparent if they didn't have such a big adverting budget.

The overman goes under: what exactly did conservative gain when they had all three branches of government under their complete control?

I mean, somebody[ /I] made out, pretty sure of that.

So who was it?

That's all it is.

i.e., even corporations - especially corporations, stand out make out with Obamacare - all businesses, large or small have to pay health are for full time employees, and that limits hiring practices when the bean counters are calling the shots, and the bean counters usually end up calling the shots, it's those values, don't you know.

But, more profit to be made by from not having to pay any bennies, to anybody, period, for the wannabe's, let them eat dog food, I don't fucking need 'em anymore.

Why, you should consider yourself lucky to have a job at all, eh?

Like we all would starve to death otherwise.

So exactly how lame are you, really?

Baffling, really.

 

[ProxyAccount]

I'll just presume that most are naive as to political leadership in this country. "Republican" or "Democrat", they're either clueless as to how to fix anything, or they're on the take. More likely, it's both: they're clueless *and* on the take.

 

[xssve]

It's all fashion, the sooner you lower you expectations of human behavior in herds, the better off you'll be.

Cut 'em out, they can be quite reasonable, get 'em together and look out.

 

[Handley_Page]

I'm not sure whether this was to do with Porn or Health Care* but it struck me as slightly funny.

http://news.linktv.org/videos/vaginas-protest-republican-convention?start=0

sorry it's not embedded.

* I see the occasional remark about the British Health Care System as if it was a bad thing. What is wrong with a system which is "free at the point of use" ?
Admittedly, the modern drugs were unimaginable in 1948 when it was introduced, but it's kept me alive for several decades.

 

[RjThoughts]

If the right/Conservatives/GOP are successful on eliminating porn from the internets, what's to stop them from going after EVERY other form of fiction?

 

[3113]

If the right/Conservatives/GOP are successful on eliminating porn from the internets, what's to stop them from going after EVERY other form of fiction?

Not a darn thing, of course, especially if they've got the supreme court rubber-stamping new censorship laws.

 

[DRS_EROS]

Obviously, I've no idea if this is just wishful thinking (and catering to) Mr. Trueman's organization there or if the GOP is serious about this, but here is is all the same. From here:

Gosh. I've never been part of a scourge before. What does one wear when one is part of such a thing?

You are just another lefty idiot, a "porn star" as you put it, supports Gov. Romney, and the hollywood bunch are an y different really ???? No, they are not, they make a very big living pretending to be someone and something they are not. People like you that support the hideous left and organizations like the "southern poverty law center" just another ACLU group rerun that hates the so-called haters ! There is no difference in their philosophy of extremeism and prejudice then those they hate and bash ad nausem, they just go at it from a different left wing angle, still the same thing, just different people, same bias and prejudice.

 

[DRS_EROS]

Any woman who would like to continue to have say over her body will take your face palm and smack you upside your head with it.

The Republicans try to act like they want to bring "morals" back to this country. Funny how its always about sex in one way shape or form.

They're the modern day Puritans.

The porn industry and all the offshoots of it contribute more to the economy of this country than anything Mitt and his boys ever will. And that's not "bile" that's fact.

Sex sells always has always will and many on this forum are proof of that. A lot of us are bringing in some extra money from erotica which if course is part of the porn industry.

So, yes, pardon me, if between making money off of porn and also having two daughters who I want to be able to have say in what happens to their body, I have had enough of these fucking morons.

You, are a huge idiot ! If I thought you were worth the time, I would show those with any intelligence how stupid what you say is and what an outright moron you are !

 

[DRS_EROS]

Ah yes, the Family Research Council. Considered a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. I love knowing that half our country is being run especially for bigots and if they have their way it will be enshrined in law.

Proud to be a part of the scourge.

OMG, I thought you might be someone worth talking to, but If you are on the same page as that idiot you are agreeing with, you are as stupid as he is, and not worth the time.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by TinyBeth
Ah yes, the Family Research Council. Considered a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. I love knowing that half our country is being run especially for bigots and if they have their way it will be enshrined in law.

Proud to be a part of the scourge.

The SPLC considers everybody who disagrees with them to be a hate group. I have no use for the FRC, but at least they're not out trying to burn or destroy the property of those whom they don't like.