Take A Load Off Fani
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Full List of Donald Trump's Properties Letitia James Is About to Take
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-donald-trumps-properties-letitia-james-about-take-1881265
List of Trump's debts as filed:
(screen-grabbed and linked for posterity). Initialled by the debtor himself.
This only includes debts to US banks. Seven debts are vaguely 'something over $50 million'. This includes Trump Tower of which he owns the parking garage, the valet booth, room-service kitchens, lobby bathrooms, a restaurant space, and one unit. Good luck with that one (how many documents are stored in those lobby bathrooms?).
(screen-grabbed and linked for posterity). Initialled by the debtor himself.
This only includes debts to US banks. Seven debts are vaguely 'something over $50 million'. This includes Trump Tower of which he owns the parking garage, the valet booth, room-service kitchens, lobby bathrooms, a restaurant space, and one unit. Good luck with that one (how many documents are stored in those lobby bathrooms?).
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/27/us/politics/fake-electors-explained-trump-jan-6.html
You are correct that creating alternative slates of electors is not illegal. But there came a point at which the actions of those perpetuating those slates became illegal.
The New York Times article above explained very well the background of the alternate slate of electors, tracing its origin back to Nixon and Kennedy’s Presidential race. Team Trump bent that process and eventually broke the law, as noted below.
Trump’s legal team members created an elaborate scenario to form alternate certificates, knowing that there was no election ballot fraud in those seven contested states. The key here is the team had no basis for contesting the ballots but proceeded willfully to create a plan to subvert the electoral certification process conducted by Mike Pence in Congress on January 6th.
Campaign aides had told Mr. Trump, and eventually, even his attorney general declared to him that there were no legitimate claims of fraud sufficient to change the race's outcome. The seven contested states all certified Mr. Biden’s Electoral College victory on Dec. 14, 2020.
The fake elector scheme became illegal when pro-Trump elector slates were filed with the National Archives.
"It is a federal crime to knowingly submit false statements or documentation to a federal agency for an undue purpose."
In essence, the fake electoral certifications were submitted to a federal agency, here the National Archives. The undue purpose here was to attempt to supplant known valid certificates.
“In a ruling against Mr. Eastman, Judge David O. Carter of the Central District of California said that Mr. Trump had facilitated two meetings “explicitly tied” to persuading Mr. Pence to either reject electors or delay the count. Judge Carter said that “the illegality of the plan was obvious.”
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At age 13, Donald Trump entered the New York Military Academy, a private boarding school. In 1964, he enrolled at Fordham University, transferring two years later to the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, graduating in 1968 with a Bachelor of Science in economics.
That makes him one of the 'educated ones of society and now the RETARD of Society, a perfect example.'
"Nothing can stop whats (sic) coming!"
That's why Depends were invented.
Lookee here. We've got ourselves a real live QAnon supporter in the wild.
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So you're saying that not breaking the law is actually breaking the law?
WTF are you smoking?
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He didn't say that. Stop day drinking with boomer.
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So explain where and how that happened.
That is based on an assumption that has yet to be proven. It will be exceedingly difficult to prove that Trump "didn't" believe there was fraud or that he "didn't" believe that uncounted or fraudulent ballots did exist. Trump as the constitutional chief law enforcement officer in the United States, had every right to see that the federal election laws were faithfully executed. His effort to do so does not create an "enterprise" as required by the RICO statutes. Which is what he is being charged under.
Only idiots like you think there was massive election fraud. We don't give a shit if you disagree, the evidence has spoken.
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His phone call specifically focused on finding the precise amount of votes that would allow him to win. That specific detail exposes that he was doing so as a candidate wanting to win rather than a President seeking to ensure a fair election.
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That he believed existed.
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You are not a serious person.
Why was he so precise and why were the votes the exact amount needed to win?
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I don't smoke anything except brisket or a few steaks on occasion.
I pointed out how the law was violated and the judge's ruling it was so. Case explained, how it arrived at the point where the parties involved broke the law and the ruling.
As an attorney, you know that.
Don't attempt to obfuscate the obvious in the points I corrected for Rightguide.
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Proving what Trump didn't believe so is indeed difficult. Yet, the judge will attempt and eventually rule on that in Georgia and Washington, D.C. What will be used as a measure most assuredly is that a 'reasonable' person given a preponderance of evidence and the testimony by those who told him he most certainly didn't win, and that research of the ballot system showed no significant mis-voting that rose to the level of changing the count to his favor was found.
Given your statement that as the constitutional chief law enforcement officer, his job was to weigh the facts, he failed. He had and still has no evidence to the contrary that supports his unreasonable assumption. Show that evidence, and he has some chance of winning. Like Rudy Giuliani, he is empty-handed—one, at this point late in the game, might reasonably conclude he is lying.
Trump, a morally bankrupt minion, a sexual assailant, a bad businessman, a failed husband three times now, a known narcissist, and generally known as a well-defined pathological liar, is incapable of judgment to the level you attribute him with being able to perform.
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A judge ruled on this. I stated that. It is beyond assumption based on his decision.
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You aren't a knowledgeable person. Fani has to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump knew those votes didn't exist. We all know there is voter fraud happening everywhere in the US. Even if there weren't any, you still have to prove that Trump didn't believe in his mind there were sufficient numbers of votes to be counted.
Fani, a corrupt DA, has a very weak case, despite your religious beliefs in the infallibility of Fani and the Democrat Party.
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The judge has also allowed an appeal of his findings as well. But at trial, they have a very tough row to hoe. As I said, they have to prove he didn't believe those votes existed. Also, the effort to uphold the law and find those votes is going to be very hard to prove to be an "enterprise
to commit crimes" under the RICO statutes.
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It's not about Fani - it's about his specific statement.
If he wanted to make sure it was fair as President, then why the specific number?
Because he was acting as a candidate who wanted to pressure the SoS to deliver a victory.
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You began by saying that what Trump did was LEGAL and then somehow what he did became illegal.
HOW DOES THAT WORK EXACTLY?
If you're walking down the sidewalk doing nothing wrong and minding your own bidniz, HOW does that become a crime later on? Did you walk too far? Too fast? What?
The fact that you're relying on a judge's decision for your flip/flop on legality doesn't cut it. Judges make mistakes all the time and get reversed on appeal. IMO this is going to be one of those times.
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The number doesn't matter one wit. It's his intent to break a law that must be proven.
It is about Fani, she is the ignorant evil force behind this political prosecution.
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