Curious about trans females

[SPARTAN047]

Cultures do as cultures do. State-side, I still process a lot of patriarchal shame about being a trans girl. Don’t get me wrong - being a girl is amazing, and if I was told I could be a cis male comfortable in my skin or a trans female, I would choose the latter every time. But the shame we carry, at least for me, practically demands blending in. The older terminology is very showy and calls attention to us. I think the response to these designations is different by trans girl. I use tgirl to describe myself sometimes, but other trans women feel that is a fetishized title…

To be fair, this does seem to be a fetish thread.

But honestly, it’s all part of the territory. Trans women are better off being our own thing and not trying to hard to disappear into the female world … and goddamn if that isn’t a hard pill to swallow, but if we can do it, maybe we’ll feel like we belong to the special class of human, trans women, who fought for our girlhood instead of always feeling like outsiders because it wasn’t granted to us outright.

Very well said, Chrissy!

TBH I don't believe in a patriarchy, I've been criticized by men, women and other trans girls for being the sissy I am. The shame for me at least comes from everywhere.

I honestly want to be a trans woman too instead of a cis woman, because they're who I like and not because I have anything against them or cis men. I love having my penis and I'm not ashamed of it, unless I choose to.

I suppose this is a fetish thread in a way, but I've learned to live with that - everything's been fetishized throughout the ages, nothing will change that very much. I've myself got a fetish for trans women so it's hard to criticize others who do.

I agree that we have to fight for our status in a way, I've got a female profile on FB and most of the posts recommended to me are a bit anti trans. Or saying that we don't deserve to be women and use those bathrooms, etc.

TBH I'm on board with gender neutral bathrooms or trans bathrooms, it might fix that debate faster. I'd hate to make anyone uncomfortable by going into their spaces. I avoid cis people places, including even forum threads for that reason. Still, this is a thread about trans people.

 

[ChrissyClitLit]

Very well said, Chrissy!

TBH I don't believe in a patriarchy, I've been criticized by men, women and other trans girls for being the sissy I am. The shame for me at least comes from everywhere.

I honestly want to be a trans woman too instead of a cis woman, because they're who I like and not because I have anything against them or cis men. I love having my penis and I'm not ashamed of it, unless I choose to.

I suppose this is a fetish thread in a way, but I've learned to live with that - everything's been fetishized throughout the ages, nothing will change that very much. I've myself got a fetish for trans women so it's hard to criticize others who do.

I agree that we have to fight for our status in a way, I've got a female profile on FB and most of the posts recommended to me are a bit anti trans. Or saying that we don't deserve to be women and use those bathrooms, etc.

TBH I'm on board with gender neutral bathrooms or trans bathrooms, it might fix that debate faster. I'd hate to make anyone uncomfortable by going into their spaces. I avoid cis people places, including even forum threads for that reason. Still, this is a thread about trans people.

I don’t mind the fetish part, honestly. Having been the owner of my own testosterone for a few years, I understand a little something about the male sex drive and how focused it is.

You’re right. Anything can be a fetish. My lips were a fetish on Fetlife for about six months. They’re all just words, and they only have as much power as we let them have.

 

[SPARTAN047]

I don’t mind the fetish part, honestly. Having been the owner of my own testosterone for a few years, I understand a little something about the male sex drive and how focused it is.

You’re right. Anything can be a fetish. My lips were a fetish on Fetlife for about six months. They’re all just words, and they only have as much power as we let them have.

Good message to send. Some of us trans women understand men because we still have testosterone. So we're testosterone girls for a while too .

I'm sure you have great lips. I wasn't fetishized at all, but I've seen guys and even girls go gaga over trans women's lips, legs, arse, feet, boobs, and anything in between.

 

[goodsonformom]

Cultures do as cultures do. State-side, I still process a lot of patriarchal shame about being a trans girl. Don’t get me wrong - being a girl is amazing, and if I was told I could be a cis male comfortable in my skin or a trans female, I would choose the latter every time. But the shame we carry, at least for me, practically demands blending in. The older terminology is very showy and calls attention to us. I think the response to these designations is different by trans girl. I use tgirl to describe myself sometimes, but other trans women feel that is a fetishized title…

To be fair, this does seem to be a fetish thread.

But honestly, it’s all part of the territory. Trans women are better off being our own thing and not trying to hard to disappear into the female world … and goddamn if that isn’t a hard pill to swallow, but if we can do it, maybe we’ll feel like we belong to the special class of human, trans women, who fought for our girlhood instead of always feeling like outsiders because it wasn’t granted to us outright.

Excellent post...

 

[AlwaysDissingDaddies]

Cultures do as cultures do. State-side, I still process a lot of patriarchal shame about being a trans girl. Don’t get me wrong - being a girl is amazing, and if I was told I could be a cis male comfortable in my skin or a trans female,

Everybody can have issue with terms, I don't like “cis men”, but that's just me.
It’s not a part of my culture, it’s more in the States.

I'm from Europe, never have been in States. Here, things are a bit different.
Tgirls here (just a general shortcut, no offense meant) are really wonderful, and I love to be around.

You can turn everything into a fetish, tbh. I'm for example, super-surprised by the intense fetishization of BBC that I see in my American gay friends. It's like seeing a walking big dick and nothing more. Usually pretty brutal.

I must admit, it's a bit shocking for me, maybe in America is not?
Maybe some black people even enjoy it (for sure I met such comments).
Cultures do what cultures do.
None is better, none is worse. You do you.

I kinda like this balance. Some things are more progressive in America and some things are more progressive in Europe, it balances itself fine. But Literotica is beyond countries so we all can fit.

Maybe that's the same with tgirls?
Some are not happy about the fetishization and some have no problem with it.
I don't consider myself a tgirl fetishist. I'm into androgynous type of beauty, and I've always had been.
Feminine men, femboys, so-called sissies, submissive males, cute twinks and tgirls.

All are welcomed and loved by me.
No judging, no criticizing, not feeling of superiority.

TBH I don't believe in a patriarchy, I've been criticized by men, women and other trans girls for being the sissy I am.

Good!
I also don't believe it, at least nowadays, in my country everything is catered to women and men are considered "useless assholes" and women are princess, and so on. Try to say something negative about them, you are canceled, or you are a chauvinistic pig, and you can talk shit about males all day long.
That’s becoming reality here, sadly.
Maybe in America it’s still more balanced. You have some solid liberal values there.

That's great that you are sissy.
Believe me, there are guys like myself who would do anything to have a wonderful sissy by their side. I respect you and send you much love

Be a proud sissy, wear it proudly

 

[cdstefi]

I always notice when guys say tranny or shemale or tgirl etc. I guess it comes from porn. If they are truly interested, hopefully they can learn.

Exactly this. If you reduce somebody's gender identity to a porn-watcher's cliché term...

 

[AlwaysDissingDaddies]

Exactly this. If you reduce somebody's gender identity to a porn-watcher's cliché term...

I disagree tgirl is just a porn term. I know many tgirls that address themself like that.
They say it's reclaimed. I also know some that call themselves transsexuals.

And I always wonder what people who shame porn watching do on porn site. Geee.

 

[cdstefi]

I disagree tgirl is just a porn term. I know many tgirls that address themself like that.
They say it's reclaimed. I also know some that call themselves transsexuals.

And I always wonder what people who shame porn watching do on porn site. Geee.

I was thinking specifically of tranny. Not least because it's a very lazy and non-specific contraction. What's it meant to mean: transvestite, transexual, what? They're very different things.

 

[SPARTAN047]

Everybody can have issue with terms, I don't like “cis men”, but that's just me.
It’s not a part of my culture, it’s more in the States.

I'm from Europe, never have been in States. Here, things are a bit different.
Tgirls here (just a general shortcut, no offense meant) are really wonderful, and I love to be around.

You can turn everything into a fetish, tbh. I'm for example, super-surprised by the intense fetishization of BBC that I see in my American gay friends. It's like seeing a walking big dick and nothing more. Usually pretty brutal.

I must admit, it's a bit shocking for me, maybe in America is not?
Maybe some black people even enjoy it (for sure I met such comments).
Cultures do what cultures do.
None is better, none is worse. You do you.

I kinda like this balance. Some things are more progressive in America and some things are more progressive in Europe, it balances itself fine. But Literotica is beyond countries so we all can fit.

Maybe that's the same with tgirls?
Some are not happy about the fetishization and some have no problem with it.
I don't consider myself a tgirl fetishist. I'm into androgynous type of beauty, and I've always had been.
Feminine men, femboys, so-called sissies, submissive males, cute twinks and tgirls.

All are welcomed and loved by me.
No judging, no criticizing, not feeling of superiority.



Good!
I also don't believe it, at least nowadays, in my country everything is catered to women and men are considered "useless assholes" and women are princess, and so on. Try to say something negative about them, you are canceled, or you are a chauvinistic pig, and you can talk shit about males all day long.
That’s becoming reality here, sadly.
Maybe in America it’s still more balanced. You have some solid liberal values there.

That's great that you are sissy.
Believe me, there are guys like myself who would do anything to have a wonderful sissy by their side. I respect you and send you much love

Be a proud sissy, wear it proudly

Thanks for saying that, dear.
The misandry is everywhere. In America, Europe, and Asia. I'm Asian so I've seen it. I live in Europe now.

Glad you like sissies. I thought you were a sissy from your name.

 

[cdstefi]

I disagree tgirl is just a porn term. I know many tgirls that address themself like that.
They say it's reclaimed. I also know some that call themselves transsexuals.

And I always wonder what people who shame porn watching do on porn site. Geee.

The difficulty with reclaiming terms is that yes it empowers those doing the reclaiming (hence all the homophobic, misogynist and racist slurs that have been reclaimed by their owners) but to those in the mainstream who use them as othering words, they're still just as nasty. No black person wants a white person addressing them as n****, no woman wants a basic dude calling them slut unless they've consented, no gay person wants to be called f** or d*** by a homophobe.

I just have a massive problem with casual othering. As a crossdresser who is sort of active in an online way but also openly state what I'm about, I am sensitive to that lazy fetishisation that closeted guys exhibit. Call me a tranny or sissy and you can go fuck yourself.

 

[maryanek]

a porn-watcher's cliché term...

Excuse moi, what's wrong with watching porn? Aren't we all here for some elements of that? Can we stop looking/shaming what others have on their screens?

 

[cdstefi]

Excuse moi, what's wrong with watching porn? Aren't we all here for some elements of that? Can we stop looking/shaming what others have on their screens?

Did you miss the part where I mentioned cliché? Lazy thinking, easy letterboxing. That's what I object to, not porn. I watch porn, I masturbate to it and enjoy it.

If said porn is tagged with or mentions lazy cliché terms I tend to click onto the next one that isn't quite as lazy. I like mine based in at least something resembling reality and humanity.

 

[AlwaysDissingDaddies]

I like mine based in at least something resembling reality and humanity.

Good, you do you, hon.

Literotica is world wide community with people from all cultures not only yours.
I use a term that tgirls (from my country) THEMSELVES used in my presence and I will respect that.

Thanks for your opinion, though, have a nice day. I'm now going to open some nice porn with my awsome crossdressers, tgirls, femboys and sissies.

 

[AlwaysDissingDaddies]

The misandry is everywhere. In America, Europe, and Asia. I'm Asian so I've seen it. I live in Europe now.
Glad you like sissies. I thought you were a sissy from your name.

I was with a person of Asian descent once, she was beautiful, I'm somehow hesitant to say that compliment, not to be accused of fetishizing again by some people... but I love Asian beauty type and personally I think ladyboys are super pretty and very sexy Much love to all of them !

PS
I'm just a guy, not a daddy, I'm too young for that. Just a gay dude with a wider than usuall preference including feminine beauty type on males

 

[Escierto]

I disagree tgirl is just a porn term. I know many tgirls that address themself like that.
They say it's reclaimed. I also know some that call themselves transsexuals.

And I always wonder what people who shame porn watching do on porn site. Geee.

I stopped looking at porn years ago. Real people only excite me now.

 

[AlwaysDissingDaddies]

I stopped looking at porn years ago. Real people only excite me now.

 

[maryanek]

I stopped looking at porn years ago. Real people only excite me now.

I come here for good stories.
Also to escape from prudes who would shame me for watching porn.

That's what I object to, not porn. I watch porn, I masturbate to it and enjoy it.

Great. That's what we all like, without judging each other.

 

[SPARTAN047]

I was with a person of Asian descent once, she was beautiful, I'm somehow hesitant to say that compliment, not to be accused of fetishizing again by some people... but I love Asian beauty type and personally I think ladyboys are super pretty and very sexy Much love to all of them !

PS
I'm just a guy, not a daddy, I'm too young for that. Just a gay dude with a wider than usuall preference including feminine beauty type on males

Oh, NP, that's fine.

I think people object to being fetishized when they receive too much of it.

I'm Indian and I've never been fetishized, so anyone on this thread is free to turn me into a fetish for the first time in my life all you like.

 

[Escierto]

I come here for good stories.
Also to escape from prudes who would shame me for watching porn.


Great. That's what we all like, without judging each other.

I used to look at porn but I don’t any longer. That’s me. You do whatever you want - you can be a porn star, it doesn’t matter to me.

 

[ChrissyClitLit]

Everybody can have issue with terms, I don't like “cis men”, but that's just me.
It’s not a part of my culture, it’s more in the States.

I'm from Europe, never have been in States. Here, things are a bit different.
Tgirls here (just a general shortcut, no offense meant) are really wonderful, and I love to be around.

You can turn everything into a fetish, tbh. I'm for example, super-surprised by the intense fetishization of BBC that I see in my American gay friends. It's like seeing a walking big dick and nothing more. Usually pretty brutal.

I must admit, it's a bit shocking for me, maybe in America is not?
Maybe some black people even enjoy it (for sure I met such comments).
Cultures do what cultures do.
None is better, none is worse. You do you.

I kinda like this balance. Some things are more progressive in America and some things are more progressive in Europe, it balances itself fine. But Literotica is beyond countries so we all can fit.

Maybe that's the same with tgirls?
Some are not happy about the fetishization and some have no problem with it.
I don't consider myself a tgirl fetishist. I'm into androgynous type of beauty, and I've always had been.
Feminine men, femboys, so-called sissies, submissive males, cute twinks and tgirls.

All are welcomed and loved by me.
No judging, no criticizing, not feeling of superiority.



Good!
I also don't believe it, at least nowadays, in my country everything is catered to women and men are considered "useless assholes" and women are princess, and so on. Try to say something negative about them, you are canceled, or you are a chauvinistic pig, and you can talk shit about males all day long.
That’s becoming reality here, sadly.
Maybe in America it’s still more balanced. You have some solid liberal values there.

That's great that you are sissy.
Believe me, there are guys like myself who would do anything to have a wonderful sissy by their side. I respect you and send you much love

Be a proud sissy, wear it proudly

Well, you sound like the kind of person I’d want in my corner. I think it’s funny, being as I am on the bullshit side of national politicization, it feels like nothing about America is progressive (which I know is just untrue), but it feels dangerous here. I’m in a part of the US that is especially unkind to trans women, so passing is a safety issue. I feel so much better when someone is not only supportive but actually finds femme in all formats attractive. Thank you for being you!

 

[goodsonformom]

Wow, there is so much to unpack here. I love reading these posts and others relating to...hmmmm....let's say trans girls. I look back at 60+ years of looking at porn and remember when Sulka was the hottest "Shemale" in porn. I also remember the "Transvestites" standing on street corners in skid row hooking. My father had a very large porn collection and I used them for my masturbation habit. I remember as soon as I had my driver's license I wanted to go into the city and pick one of them up. They were nasty and I was too timid. Everybody I knew called them transvestites. Then Sulka burst on the scene....and then a bunch of others. But yet, they were porn actresses, the rest of these individuals had a hard time getting a job, maintaining a family life, and wound up on the streets. They had addiction issues and were a source of STD's. Even back then there were Gender dysphoria clinics, but yet most of these individuals worked in the darker corners of society. I know that's a huge generalization and possibly very jaded, but it's how many in society and I personally viewed and fetishized the situation back then. I loved the idea of a woman with a cock. I coveted the belief surrounding the illusion of the feminine who still possessed the sexual energy of a male. I loved the Transvestite magazines and porn, and that's where my beliefs were derived, and that was my reality...that provided many hours of sexual gratification. Back in the late 90's I began going to clubs that allowed cross-dressers and Trans people. I went holding on to all of my preconceived notions, desires, and hopes to have a moment with a "Tranny"...I know, sad, right?

But we all can learn...one night I met 3 trans girls. One was a programmer, very smart, and consumed with her lack of respect and position within the organization where she worked. Another was a Cardiac nurse in a big city hospital and the other was a freelance writer...all human beings struggling like all of us...all looking for either love or a sexual moment, but all desired a relationship and to continue in their chosen career. Two were seeking a stable traditional relationship. I dated all three. I know it's a small sampling and not scientific, but I think it sets straight how communication and language about this community have changed and need to further evolve so we can move forward and be far more inclusive. Listening and communicating respectfully would be a good beginning.

 

[TahitiGuy]

Ok so I've just recently stumbled onto the whole shemale and trans female thing but found that after a few porns I have became intreaged by it and I've never actually seen a shemale or trans female in person but would like to and I also would like to chat with some on here and trade pics of trade videos cause I find it really hot to watch as they jack off and then see the cum shooting out from their cocks

Yeah, am a 65-year old married guy (35+ years) but have also recently discovered trans femmes, and I find them arousing beyond belief. I never thought I'd fantasize about sucking a penis but these trans femme girls make me want to in a very bad way. I first discovered them on TikTok and then went to some porn sites - I'd never looked at those pages before, but wow. WTF has happened to me? Unfortunately, it's not something I'll ever be able to experience as I've never been unfaithful in any way. But what a fantasy!

BTW, I've googled this and the consensus is that getting hot over penises does not imply that you're gay. Honestly, I have no attraction to men. But trans girls ARE girls, regardless what they have downstairs, and I find them to be deliciously sexy.

 

[goodsonformom]

Yeah, am a 65-year old married guy (35+ years) but have also recently discovered trans femmes, and I find them arousing beyond belief. I never thought I'd fantasize about sucking a penis but these trans femme girls make me want to in a very bad way. I first discovered them on TikTok and then went to some porn sites - I'd never looked at those pages before, but wow. WTF has happened to me? Unfortunately, it's not something I'll ever be able to experience as I've never been unfaithful in any way. But what a fantasy!

BTW, I've googled this and the consensus is that getting hot over penises does not imply that you're gay. Honestly, I have no attraction to men. But trans girls ARE girls, regardless what they have downstairs, and I find them to be deliciously sexy.

I wouldn't worry about being Gay or being labeled your Gay. This is such a complex and conflicting topic, have you maybe, possibly, always been intrigued by cock? And wrapping it in a feminine package makes it more appealing? What about them makes them "arousing beyond belief"...A cock?
We all know we have preferences, if you were Gay, hypothetically, you would either like a more manly man, or an androgynous male, or a very feminine male. The debate over Trans people has crept into every corner of society, Right vs. Left...Straight vs. Gay...blah, blah, blah...The political rhetoric sickens me...but the "Curious about trans females" discussion intrigues me. You say you've never seen a Trans female, I doubt that...most probably you weren't aware she was standing next to you at the pharmacy or bus stop...unless you live in a very small rural community, maybe.

Possibly the sheer existence of Trans females has opened your eyes to possibilities, for you.

 

[Escierto]

I can relate, although I'm a 60-year-old married guy... discovered the same thing basically, Still kind of unpacking it, On the other hand, if I had the opportunity, I think I well would experience it myself. If it ever happened, I honestly don't know what I would do about their penis... would I find it right at the time to stroke it, or suck it, or let them put it inside me at some point? It is going to take actually being in the moment. The issue might be if they're hung better than I am, to be honest!

The major difference for me was the first trans female I was attracted to was the actress Nicole Maines, who not only is a trans female, but played a trans female character on Supergirl (I'm a geek, sue me). By the end of the first episode she was on, I just saw her as a beautiful young woman, and wasn't even thinking about her being transgendered. I believe she's done the entire transformation already, though. But then seeing the photos here, plus I admit to finding some on Reddit, and damn, some of those ladies have gorgeous figures, beautiful asses and tits, and amazing legs! They're beautiful women who happen to have a penis.

I guess I'm just happy that I am still capable ot evolving at my age!

The first transgender woman i was with had a lot of sexual energy but her cock was between 4 and 5 inches hard. The next transgender woman I was with is my girlfriend who is over 7 inches hard. The strange thing is I find the fact that her cock is much bigger than mine very exciting. It really turns me on to see it when we are together.

 

[stickygirl]

I've read the thread a couple of times, wondering if I have a contribution worth making. From a linguistic pov the problem for me with shemale, trans woman, tgirl is that they hint that we are outside of society - same with spiderman or superman. How can we ever fit in if our noun puts a spot light on us?

I acknowledge language is fluid, terms change in an effort to remain slur-free. I shudder when I see the word transexual because I immediately think of Rocky Horror, stilletos and fishnets. Medical definitions replaced the 'sexual' with 'gender' quite rightly - our issue is with gender, not sexuality. If you'll excuse the pun 'transgender' is a bit of a mouthful and it's fine as a written word, but in every day language there is an alternative in common usage.

I'm trans, she is trans, he is trans. Trans puts our noun back into the frame of normal language but retains respect for the person's gender. Trans folk don't ask for, or want, a clarion call every time we get mentioned. Maybe some other term will come along, but for me 'trans' is a neat throw-away that doesn't make a fuss.

I loved what @EStaccato had to say about what's under the hood. You wouldn't introduce yourself to a cis woman by telling her you love the feel of wet labia, unless it was in an explicitly sexual context, so expect a slap if you tell a trans woman you love cock. We like sex (too) just like most other people but it isn't the reason we're trans. Being transgender isn't a choice.

Images of trans women have been around since ancient times, but in those days there were clearly fewer hangups over a feminine body with a penis. There are more people who are trans in the US than there are redheads, or people with type II diabetes. You have met a transgender person - you just didn't know it and we thank you for not noticing