Someone is attacking you, possibly trying to kill you

[renard_ruse]

You feel you have the means to defend yourself, perhaps you don't feel you can get away safely.

What do you do? Stay there and do nothing, possibly being seriously injured or killed, try to run away despite the possibility the attacker will chase you down or shoot you from behind, or do you use whatever means is available at hand to try to defend yourself?

The lunatic left extremist fringe says you have an obligation to try to run away rather than defend yourself. Do you agree?

 

[bronzeage]

You feel you have the means to defend yourself, perhaps you don't feel you can get away safely.

What do you do? Stay there and do nothing, possibly being seriously injured or killed, try to run away despite the possibility the attacker will chase you down or shoot you from behind, or do you use whatever means is available at hand to try to defend yourself?

The lunatic left extremist fringe says you have an obligation to try to run away rather than defend yourself. Do you agree?

You could stay and get killed. That's always a plan when confronted by someone who had more time to think about it.

What means are at hand? Since your attacker has a gun, do you have a gun too? Remember Trayvon Martin. He followed the advice of the lunatic right extremist fringe and stood his ground. Now, he lies under his ground. Is this a plan to reduce the ranks of the lunatic right?

Just a question, have you ever been in this situation?

 

[Adre]

If you're a total pussyboy, you pull a gun and shoot the unarmed boy. If you are a man, you use your fists, feet and wit to defend yourself and get away with your life.

 

[bronzeage]

If you're a total pussyboy, you pull a gun and shoot the unarmed boy. If you are a man, you use your fists, feet and wit to defend yourself and get away with your life.

I would toss my secret ninja dust in his eyes and disappear.

 

[kbate]

I would toss my secret ninja dust in his eyes and disappear.

I prefer to pull a crouching tiger to escape and then use a matrix to dodge any projectile weapons the attacker might hold.

 

[bronzeage]

I prefer to pull a crouching tiger to escape and then use a matrix to dodge any projectile weapons the attacker might hold.

That's as good a move as any.

 

[Tryharder62]

If I could get away I would. That is not taking into account if the person was stronger than me and a better fighter and I couldn't get away. If I thought for sure I was going to die and I had a gun I would go for self preservation probably. The thing is I am afraid of guns. So I would be dead.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I would pull back my facially-obscuring hoodie, move into the light under the street lamp and say...

"Don't shoot! Don't shoot! I'm white! I'm white, I tells ya!"

*cocks gun*

"But your skin is brown! I sees it! Answer me that, boy!"

"It's a tan! It's a tan! I just got back from drinking body shots off a supermodel's flat ass in Cozumel for a week straight!"

"Coz-cozz-zoomel? Are you one o' those wetbacks from Messico, boy?"

"NOOOOOO!!! It's a tropical resort area on an island off the Yucatan Penninsula set up by imperialistic caucasians!"

*eyes narrow as information is slowly being processed by beer brain*

"Well...guess bein' a Kawk Asian is better than bein' one o' those nigras or wetbacks...those assholes always get away, but y'all know y'alls place! You can go on home now and work on your computer!"

 

[bronzeage]

If I could get away I would. That is not taking into account if the person was stronger than me and a better fighter and I couldn't get away. If I thought for sure I was going to die and I had a gun I would go for self preservation probably. The thing is I am afraid of guns. So I would be dead.

Wanna try some ninja dust? The first batch is free.

 

[Ramone45]

What would have happened if Mr. Zimmerman did not have a firearm? Would he have had a traumatic brain injury? Would he have been killed? Would Mr. Martin have been charged with assault, attempted murder, manslaughter? Would Mr. Martin have been afforded the protection of "Stand your ground"?

 

[Adre]

What would have happened if Mr. Zimmerman did not have a firearm? Would he have had a traumatic brain injury? Would he have been killed? Would Mr. Martin have been charged with assault, attempted murder, manslaughter? Would Mr. Martin have been afforded the protection of "Stand your ground"?

What if he had turned his truck around and gone home? (Since we're asking questions)

 

[Ramone45]

What if he had turned his truck around and gone home? (Since we're asking questions)

Obviously, that would have been the correct thing todo.
I answered your question. Will you answer mine?

 

[bronzeage]

What would have happened if Mr. Zimmerman did not have a firearm? Would he have had a traumatic brain injury? Would he have been killed? Would Mr. Martin have been charged with assault, attempted murder, manslaughter? Would Mr. Martin have been afforded the protection of "Stand your ground"?

I can answer this question. This discussion would never happen.

Zimmerman would not know the name of the figure in the hoodie. He would never have gotten out of his truck and followed someone in the dark until they felt threatened and decided to stand their ground.

 

[Adre]

What would have happened if Mr. Zimmerman did not have a firearm? Would he have had a traumatic brain injury? Would he have been killed? Would Mr. Martin have been charged with assault, attempted murder, manslaughter? Would Mr. Martin have been afforded the protection of "Stand your ground"?

Okay.

He would have had to fight with his hands and feet.
Maybe.
Possibly, but not many people are killed by hand.
Probably one of those.
It is a law that should apply equally, but who's to say.

 

[Ramone45]

This was such a clusterfuck. It could have been avoided by people simply being nice to each other. Wannabe cop. Wannabe gangsta. I don't know exactly how I feel about SYG. You have a moral right to defend yourself...no one would dispute that. Personally, I would avoid a violent confrontation to begin with and I would attempt to retreat if that was an option. I wonder if 911 operators in situations like this, could be empowered to tell a caller that if they do not follow their instructions (ie. let the police handle it) they forfeit their SYG protection? That's what's so distasteful about this case. Mr. Zimmerman put himself in an untenable situation that he could have avoided if he followed instructions.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I wonder if 911 operators in situations like this, could be empowered to tell a caller that if they do not follow their instructions (ie. let the police handle it) they forfeit their SYG protection?

How do you put that decision/authority in the hands of someone on the phone at a remote location and has no idea of what exactly the fuck is going on?

You can't. That is why 911 operators offer suggestions but have no real authority.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If you're a total pussyboy, you pull a gun and shoot the unarmed boy. If you are a man, you use your fists, feet and wit to defend yourself and get away with your life.

And how did that pussy/man bit work out for the idiot who brought skittles to a gun fight??

You're like that faggot in MS/HS who cries about a "fair fight" after the kid he was picking on stabbed the shit out of him with a pencil and gouged his fucking eyes out.

Bottom line is if you don't run you better be ready to kill someone when you get into a fight.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

How do you put that decision/authority in the hands of someone on the phone at a remote location and has no idea of what exactly the fuck is going on?

You can't. That is why 911 operators offer suggestions but have no real authority.

Because the operator knew that the clown she was talking with also had no authority and that by continuing to act aggressively, he risked the danger of getting hurt or hurting someone else, ya know cuz like he's not a police officer and has no training other than on the range.

Oh wait, that's what happened.

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

i do what i gota do to remain safe

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because the operator knew that the clown she was talking with also had no authority

He had far more real and legal authority over the situation than the operator, proof is in the puddin'.

and that by continuing to act aggressively, he risked the danger of getting hurt or hurting someone else, ya know cuz like he's not a police officer and has no training other than on the range.

Oh wait, that's what happened.

Doesn't change the fact that 911 dispatch has no authority nor can they issue lawful orders to citizens over the phone and rightfully so. Each situation is different and they don't really know what's happening, they only have a pinhole perspective.

Cops on scene? That's a far different story.

 

[bronzeage]

And how did that pussy/man bit work out for the idiot who brought skittles to a gun fight??

You're like that faggot in MS/HS who cries about a "fair fight" after the kid he was picking on stabbed the shit out of him with a pencil and gouged his fucking eyes out.

Bottom line is if you don't run you better be ready to kill someone when you get into a fight.

So Trayvon's real problem was actually bad coaching?

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

He had far more real and legal authority over the situation than the operator, proof is in the puddin'.



Doesn't change the fact that 911 dispatch has no authority nor can they issue lawful orders to citizens over the phone and rightfully so. Each situation is different and they don't really know what's happening, they only have a pinhole perspective.

Cops on scene? That's a far different story.

only in your mind and his

but I think you need to get the last word so...

 

[BotanyBoy]

So Trayvon's real problem was actually bad coaching?

Yep....tried playing HS rules on the street and it cost him his life.

It's really simple, you never know who is armed with what or how far their hostile intentions go.

Given that information going into a street fight unarmed and not ready to finish it all the fucking way is a massive tactical error, should have hauled ass or been better prepared.

Zim is an idiot...he let the kid get close....stupid. He should have drawn, warned him not to come any closer and held him no closer than 3m at gun point until the cops showed up. He would have complied too, idk anyone that doesn't comply with the end of a barrel, because anyone who doesn't usually dies.

 

[BotanyBoy]

only in your mind and his

but I think you need to get the last word so...

And 6 jurors and the state of FL and most other states as well.

In my state if I see Trayvon stealing my hub caps he's catching 180gr to the head and I wouldn't see a day in jail for it. SYG/castle laws aren't new nor are they uncommon. The point being don't fuck with someone unless your prepared to handle whatever in the hell they might have coming at you, problem solved.

It's not about last word, it's about reality. 911 is just a reach for help/advice...that phone can't tell people what to do, that's why they send cops. As for the law, they have to prove you broke it or you get to roll....dead men can't testify either, once again proof is in the pudding.

 

[Ramone45]

How do you put that decision/authority in the hands of someone on the phone at a remote location and has no idea of what exactly the fuck is going on?

You can't. That is why 911 operators offer suggestions but have no real authority.

I see your point, but you have to admit the 911 operator's instructions in the Zimmermann/Martin case were spot on.
I think 911 operators CAN get pretty accurate information. At the very least maybe they could offer advice about the consequences of taking matters into their own hands.