Are you ever "justified" in using a racial slur?

[xssve]

You just did - and not only are you calling LT that, but his mother, his grandmother, his kids, every Black kid out there playing with dolls or trading Pokemon cards - they're not just kids anymore, suddenly there's a distinction, that's just fucked up.

 

[Recidiva]

You just did - and not only are you calling LT that, but his mother, his grandmother, his kids, every Black kid out there playing with dolls or trading Pokemon cards - they're not just kids anymore, suddenly there's a distinction, that's just fucked up.

That gives me an awful lot of power, doesn't it?

It's a good thing I have more faith in the reasonableness of people to not take offense where it's not intended.

Taking a bullet out of a gun to analyze it's contents, does not mean I shot the damned thing at anybody. It means I am interested in the mechanics of weaponry.

 

[xssve]

you might consider that you send a very different message to someone who has been shot in the face.

 

[Recidiva]

you might consider that you send a very different message to someone who has been shot in the face.

And I would expect that they would reasonably know the difference between the two in degree, as I do. Thought is not action. If someone wishes to understand me, then I can explain. If they wish to only be understood and don't attempt to reach out to make that distinction, I doubt that we'd find much in common anyway.

 

[xssve]

You can expect that, but you should ask yourself if that is the case here - if not, then the logical conculsion is that your expectations are flawed, maybe becase you've never been shot in the face and have not the faintest clue of the emotional agony you are blithely inflicting - if this wasn't the case, you wouldn't have to explain yourself, or even more egregiously, expect anybody to care what your explanation might be.

You seem to think you're doing somebody a favor, when all you're doing is rubbing salt on wounds and taking delight in being obtrusively uncivil.

So that's "you", it doesn't make you right and in this case, it never will, as far as I'm concerned LT has every right to take issue with you, it seems you expect him to get down on his kness and kiss your fat ass - your case is emphatically the weaker one.

A less contentious person would simply realize they have hurt someone, inadvertantly as it may be, apologise and move on, it's not at all an unreasonable request in light of the larger context of the term under discussion, in a public forum and we could go back to picking on amicus who has no dignity to offend.

 

[Recidiva]

You can expect that, but you should ask yourself if that is the case here - if not, then the logical conculsion is that your expectations are flawed, maybe becase you've never been shot in the face and have not the faintest clue of the emotional agony you are blithely inflicting - if this wasn't the case, you wouldn't have to explain yourself, or even more egregiously, expect anybody to care what your explanation might be.

You seem to think you're doing somebody a favor, when all you're doing is rubbing salt on wounds and taking delight in being obtrusively uncivil.

So that's "you", it doesn't make you right and in this case, it never will, as far as I'm concerned LT has every right to take issue with you, it seems you expect him to get down on his kness and kiss your fat ass - your case is emphatically the weaker one.

A less contentious person would simply realize they have hurt someone, inadvertantly as it may be, apologise and move on, it's not at all an unreasonable request in light of the larger context of the term under discussion, in a public forum and we could go back to picking on amicus who has no dignity to offend.

Your assumption that my conclusions are from being protected and not subjected, are also presumptuous.

Go ahead. Put me on a firing squad. Have 1000 people shout "ignorant white trash" at me all day. I'll walk away unscathed.

Have 1000 people shoot guns at me, I won't do so well.

Have 1000 people shoot guns at me while shouting "ignorant white trash" I will be a martyr.

I'm still just as dead though. The "ignorant white trash" comments are superflous to the actual damage.

 

[xssve]

Who are you arguing with? As far as I'm concerned, you've lost the argument, whatever it was, it's neither subjective or presumptuous - you offended someones dignity, they have told you so and taken all the guesswork out of it, hardly presumptuous, it's pretty clear cut it seems to me - I'd say you were acting like a typical stupid cunt to illustrate the point but you'd probobly like it.

Those feeling maybe subjective, but they are only all the more real because of it, regardless of whether you approve of, or recognize the validity their existence or not, no matter what your motives, the objective fact is that you're spreading hate and discontent, the empirical evidence of this being, suprise! Hate and discontent.

The medium is the message and all that, think about it.

That's why they're called feelings, because you feel them, they are not subject to external legislation.

So ride you hobby horse off into the sunset, write damn book if you want - good luck with it.

 

[Recidiva]

Who are you arguing with? As far as I'm concerned, you've lost the argument, whatever it was, it's neither subjective or presumptuous - you offended someones dignity, they have told you so and taken all the guesswork out of it, hardly presumptuous, it's pretty clear cut it seems to me - I'd say you were acting like a typical stupid cunt to illustrate the point but you'd probobly like it.

Those feeling maybe subjective, but they are only all the more real because of it, regardless of whether you approve of, or recognize the validity their existence or not, no matter what your motives, the objective fact is that you're spreading hate and discontent, the empirical evidence of this being, suprise! Hate and discontent.

The medium is the message and all that, think about it.

That's why they're called feelings, because you feel them, they are not subject to external legislation.

So ride you hobby horse off into the sunset, write damn book if you want - good luck with it.

I was arguing with you, I believe.

There are those that believe that tolerance of intolerance (as exhibited by Jesus) is an act of deep spiritual faith, an act of forgiveness, of compassion, of understanding. A karmic good deed. Breaking the cycle. Turn the other cheek, forgive thy neighbor. Apply the Golden Rule.

There are those that believe that tolerance of intolerance is essentially intolerance in a more virulent form, and more insidious. Something that allows the atmosphere of hate to breed without impedence.

I'm not certain where other people's beliefs lie, but where I stand is tolerant of intolerant speech. And I'm becoming more and more convinced that this is the way to go without causing more hatred and pain. You can be equally condemned for tolerance or forgiveness, as you can be for intolerance and condemnation. I'm tryng to take in the condemnation equally, express and explore an honest opinion that I haven't grasped a subject entirely yet in all its permutations. Forgive or condemn? I draw the line at forgiving speech and ignorance, condemning action. Perhaps I should forgive action. I don't know. I'm immune from action here.

This is actually an insidious and virulent question, one I attempt to ask in my clumsy way through my actions, and I continue to learn the power of things out of proportion to their meaning or effect. It's a truly chaotic system.

Words spoken from the lips and words heard in the mind are two different things. I can be as clear about what I speak as I wish, but I cannot control what people hear, or what they do with it.

It's why I believe the well meaning folks like Jesus end up on a cross. I'm not saying I'm Jesus, but I am saying I'm trying to apply what I intuitively believe to be right about what He said. Forgive. Understand. Love. Be compassionate.

I actually have apologized to LT for offending him. He never acknowledged it.

To see all the ways that being tolerant can be used against you is an education on its own. I'm very glad I chose this path for the view alone. I didn't put what I considered to be ugly on ignore. Facing up to it good.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I actually have apologized to LT for offending him. He never acknowledged it.

When did you apologize for that "nigger" remark?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

When did you apologize for that "nigger" remark?

You were too busy frothing and slopping everyone with your broad brush to even notice. Forget for a moment that she never called you a "nigger". The comment she made, in context, was referring to the fact that black people use the word "nigger" constantly when talking to and about one another, using her brother-in-law as an example of Black people using racist slurs against one another, citing his definition, and that he would label you thus based on your actions not only in that thread, but in nearly every post you make on the GB. This started your current crusade of accusing pretty much anyone that disagreed with you of being racist. She did say that she was sorry if she offended you, you just weren't hearing any of it.

I can count on one hand the number of people I've seen use that word as a weapon on the boards, yet you indict everyone. You claim "retaliation" and sling slurs right back at not only those people, but anyone else who dares disagree with your justification in doing so. You accuse them of being permissive of other's use, yet offer no proof. You create poll after poll, thread after thread trying to slander the object of your current obsessive crusade. You follow people around harass them and shit all over every single thread they participate in by making post after post of porn to "de-lame-ify" their threads. Even now you've created a thread to try to bait another poster into an argument on the GB knowing full well that he will call you "nigger" and has no qualms in doing so. You need ammunition, if he does respond as you know and expect him to then you'll be quick to admonish the entire board for not berating him quickly enough.

When you start slinging racially charged words at people you're doing exactly the same thing as the person you're screaming bloody murder about. You have stooped to their level and now are no more or no less out of line than they are. You have no moral high ground upon which to stand THIS is the statement that you have a problem with because it lumps you right in there, by your own admission, alongside the person who initiated the exchange. You berate others for using racist language against you, yet somehow you're justified (at least in your mind) in "fighting fire with fire" and claim that a majority of people feel the same as you do, continuing to do so even when shown that you are not only in the minority in that belief, but FAR in the minority.

I've told you and everyone else exactly how I respond to slurs directed against me. Call me "Cracker", "White Trash", "Faggot", "Gwai-lo", "Republican" .. Take your pick, I've been called most of them at one time or another. Ok, not "Republican" although that would be an ass-kicking offense.

My response?
I'll laugh in your face and question your ancestry and upbringing, but I won't respond with a slur in return. I may even resort to physical violence should you continue being an ignorant fuck and try to escalate the conflict, but again, I won't stoop to your level and sling slurs right back at you. The fact that you will says a whole lot about your character and your attitude toward people of other races.

That type of language doesn't just "slip out" because you're angry or shocked, it comes from somewhere.. Somewhere very ugly that you have yet to deal with and apparently so deeply ingrained that you will rationalize your actions from now until eternity.

Make up your mind LT. Using slurs, racial or otherwise, is either wrong all of the time or never. Trying to justify your use of them in "retaliation" is an excuse that most adults wouldn't accept from a 5 year old.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

You were too busy frothing and slopping everyone with your broad brush to even notice.

All that and no link. Hmmmm.

Forget for a moment that she never called you a "nigger".

No, she called me a nigger through her make believe brother in law. An act which has mostly been viewed as cowardly and racist

oops, time for UD to dodge and change the subject.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

All that and no link. Hmmmm.


No, she called me a nigger through her make believe brother in law. An act which has mostly been viewed as cowardly and racist

oops, time for UD to dodge and change the subject.

It wouldn't matter had I provided a link or not, you would have discounted it or acted as if it never existed. To be honest I don't care enough to search for it. It's there, go find it yourself.

I don't have to duck and dodge anything LT none of your slings and arrows even come close to hitting the mark.

The exchange happened exactly as I explained, that's the reason that you quote only that one post with no reference to the entire thread. You don't want context, you count on nobody looking for it and taking your word as to the circumstances.

You make baseless accusations about everyone that disagrees with you. Not only is her brother-in-law "imaginary" according to you (her sister is in for one hell of a surprise), but apparently so am I, or she is.. You never can seem to decide which. Regardless you discount the reality of any situation that disproves your assertions. You have a very clear pattern when dealing with rejection of your ideas. Mostly it involves slandering the hell out of them, trolling their stories if they're an author, ind insulting and threatening their family.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" should be your tagline.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Who are you arguing with? As far as I'm concerned, you've lost the argument, whatever it was, it's neither subjective or presumptuous - you offended someones dignity, they have told you so and taken all the guesswork out of it, hardly presumptuous, it's pretty clear cut it seems to me - I'd say you were acting like a typical stupid cunt to illustrate the point but you'd probobly like it.

Those feeling maybe subjective, but they are only all the more real because of it, regardless of whether you approve of, or recognize the validity their existence or not, no matter what your motives, the objective fact is that you're spreading hate and discontent, the empirical evidence of this being, suprise! Hate and discontent.

The medium is the message and all that, think about it.

That's why they're called feelings, because you feel them, they are not subject to external legislation.

So ride you hobby horse off into the sunset, write damn book if you want - good luck with it.

Is this some sort of joke?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

It wouldn't matter had I provided a link or not, you would have discounted it or acted as if it never existed. To be honest I don't care enough to search for it. It's there, go find it yourself.

I don't have to duck and dodge anything LT none of your slings and arrows even come close to hitting the mark.

The exchange happened exactly as I explained, that's the reason that you quote only that one post with no reference to the entire thread. You don't want context, you count on nobody looking for it and taking your word as to the circumstances.

You make baseless accusations about everyone that disagrees with you. Not only is her brother-in-law "imaginary" according to you (her sister is in for one hell of a surprise), but apparently so am I, or she is.. You never can seem to decide which. Regardless you discount the reality of any situation that disproves your assertions. You have a very clear pattern when dealing with rejection of your ideas. Mostly it involves slandering the hell out of them, trolling their stories if they're an author, ind insulting and threatening their family.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" should be your tagline.

No, I quoted only a little bit of your post because you make a claim that you cannot factually substantiate.

I make claims and provide substantiation.

What else is there to say about your "points"?

 

[Recidiva]

When did you apologize for that "nigger" remark?

Your thread entitled "Why Recidiva Is Not an Adult, and is an Insult to All Paganism"

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=23893870&postcount=211

I apologized in that bit right after you called my kids retarded.

You never addressed this post.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Your thread entitled "Why Recidiva Is Not an Adult, and is an Insult to All Paganism"

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=23893870&postcount=211

I apologized in that bit right after you called my kids retarded.

You never addressed this post.

Oh, I read that. You didn't apologize for your deed. You apologized that you felt I was thin skinned enough to take offense to it.

As for the curb stomping remark, I said if you had said that to any black person in real life, that's what would happen to you. LadyFunkenstein, a black woman, straight up said she'd pound you for that if you said it in person.

Funny how not one black person has come out to defend your sockpuppetry. You made even Saintpeter step back and that's saying a lot.

 

[Recidiva]

Oh, I read that. You didn't apologize for your deed. You apologized that you felt I was thin skinned enough to take offense to it.

As for the curb stomping remark, I said if you had said that to any black person in real life, that's what would happen to you. LadyFunkenstein, a black woman, straight up said she'd pound you for that if you said it in person.

Funny how not one black person has come out to defend your sockpuppetry. You made even Saintpeter step back and that's saying a lot.

So in essence you believe I'm a closet racist who is enjoying a passive-aggressive opportunity to be openly racist.

I am, instead, accusing you of being racist yourself. Not only racist, but advocating violence, hatred, and using personal insults on a disabled child, no less, to make your point.

The fact that you believe that I should be beaten for saying something I didn't say, that is my issue here.

You advocate retaliatory escalation. I advocate forgiveness. I asked forgiveness for underestimating the effect of my words. I am not going to give you false words, but I will give you a truly intended apology for any harm, which I did, and you disregard as having any value. Just as you disregard any opinion I have from having any value.

The point here is also, even when I take full responsibility for using a word and being responsible for any ricochet that hit you, will you then apologize for calling my children retarded, threatening my physically, trolling me and advocating anger and violence?

You can point to one questionable sentence where you believed I was racist toward you. You won't accept any rewording or apology. You call any attempt for me to explain it "backpedaling." I meant what I said. I am not going to lie and say I didn't. I still meant what I said. I will say I'm sorry that what I mean and what I said offended you. I have said it, I'll say it again here. "Justice" might have been you passively aggressively calling me white trash. But what you do is not the slightest bit open to interpretation.

I can point to so many places where your retaliation has gone far beyond any insult I even accidentally handed to you in misinterpretation.

I don't think however that there's any way for me to misinterpret all your insults toward me. I do, however, forgive you for them.

I can apologize freely for what happened as a result of my actions. Can you? Or will you only be happy when I've apologized enough and you haven't accepted it enough, and you've ensured yourself that I'm beaten and bloody physically as well?

It's been a fascinating concept because nothing I say or do makes any impact on your opinion or your actions. You wish to hate. You've wished to hate me for a good long time.

If it isn't you insulting my intelligence, it's accusing me of lying about being a National Merit Scholar. It's accusing me of lying about being married. It's accusing me of making up my husband in some schizoprhenic scheme. It's accusing me of abusing my children to the point that they are retarded.

So what exactly do you think is justice here?

The fact is that I don't require an apology. I've forgiven you. Your words and attempts haven't accomplished what you hoped they would. And for that, I actually pity you. I don't consider you an equal or someone I need to defend myself from.

I consider you someone who has a wildly different opinion than mine, who will never see my way of doing things or acknowledge it might have some value. I still continue the conversation, as I learn new things from each permutation of your strategy to attempt to destroy what you hate so much: indifference.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

This, ladies and gents is exactly the opinion I have been trying to dissuade in LT. For my troubles I have been accused of what I have never done and of being hypocritical (Without a shred of actual proof to back the claim I might add) when calling him on this idea.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24340083&postcount=507

Insulting the race of an asshole who hurls racial slurs is just as okay as slapping someone who slaps you.

Except that you aren't just slapping that person, but every single person that shares nothing with them other than their race. You scream and shout about their use of racist slurs against you, then turn right around and commit the very sin you were shouting about seconds earlier. But for whatever reason, in your mind you're righteous and they are a racist. I agree with the latter, it's the former that I have issues with.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24340103&postcount=510

Fighting fire with fire is the highest form of evolution.

MLK Jr. was shot and killed.

The fact that he was shot and killed invalidates everything the man said? Just like Jesus, killing him makes it all go away..

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

"Have we not come to such an impasse in the modern world that we must love our enemies - or else? The chain reaction of evil - hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars - must be broken, or else we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation."

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Obviously the man had no idea what he was talking about..... Right?

 

[cloudy]

*sigh*

 

[Recidiva]

*sigh*

I am distressed at your sigh yet concerned about being considered a rabble rouser if I reply, thus bumping an unpopular thread.

Hm.

 

[xssve]

Is this some sort of joke?

No. Emotions exist and emotional pain is real pain in objective empirical reality, that is to say, outside of the conservative cartoon universe where you play at being "real men".

 

[Recidiva]

No. Emotions exist and emotional pain is real pain in objective empirical reality, that is to say, outside of the conservative cartoon universe where you play at being "real men".

+++ oops - Edited.

I had something really funny if he'd replied to Phrodeau. But it was to Byron. Damn.

However, the point is - no, emotional pain is not quantifiable in empiric reality. Physical pain isn't even quantifiable.

It can be estimated. It can also be overestimated, underestimated, denied and minimized.

 

[xssve]

...or taken at face value.

 

[Recidiva]

...or taken at face value.

I have children. When they're little, they scream and howl at every teeny insult to their world. Part of growing up is to reach a point where you say "Yes, I know that hurts. Yes, I know that's uncomfortable. Yes, I know that's a painful truth. However, you have to be able to function. Let it go."

I focus on healing. I teach my kids to believe in free speech, theirs and other people's. Because I can't find my way to saying "Son, if someone ever looks at you funny, jump to the worst possible conclusion and beat the everloving hell out of the guy for daring to do so."

Part of being an adult is choosing to heal and let things go as opposed to dramatizing every event and assuming that your "face value" is everyone else's "face value."

I respect "face value" when I've observed their ability to deal with the cuts and bruises and scrapes of life and shrug them off and keep going.

I do not respect "face value" when someone hears a harsh word and they start to scream. I respect them even less when they use that excuse to let loose an ocean of retaliatory vitriol.

I don't respect adults that can't deal with the slightest insult to their world view or sense of manners without behaving as if someone has just amputated their leg unanesthetized.

 

[xssve]

Again, you are not hearing this word hurled into your face a hundred times a day, I'm sure you're little theraputic campaign is very enchanting and empowering, but I think you might be slightly underestimating the cumulative volumetric effect.

i.e., the Camels back is so broken, it's hard to remember a time when it wasn't.