Are you ever "justified" in using a racial slur?

[Recidiva]

{{{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}}} every single one of you and gives you all flowers and kisses and hopes you all are much happier soon!

You are a very sweet lady. Thank you.

I'm very happy, even if I'm white trash

 

[BlackShanglan]

Anyone who wants to know my "slate" can read the GB and see me. Do you think AH readers are banned from seeing posts on the GB? I dismiss your argument because it isn't real and it is in the wrong forum.

It's in the thread that was begun here in the AH. This is entirely right forum to respond to this thread. You simply prefer that I don't because you don't relish the idea of trotting your philosophy out before people who can see the gaping holes in it. There is, for instance, that habit of insisting that any fact or idea you don't care to deal with "isn't real." People who are accustomed to debating actual ideas and information tend not to be terribly impressed by that tactic.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Asking whether the use of racial slurs is ever justified is like asking whether picking one's nose or farting in public, or coughing in someone's face, is ever justified.

A civilized person may, in anger, violate his own social code. But he doesn't look for justification.

I you. You knew that, but then, in the excesses of passion, don't lovers say this again from time to time?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Maybe he could condone more violence and hatred.

I love that part.

I was watching a show yesterday about the Inquisition. I think LT would have been perfectly at home murdering people for things they didn't say. He's certainly shown an ability to be infuriated by people not doing what he wants them to do and feel and think exactly the way he wants them to think. Hatred and anger must be justified and propagated.

The level of violence and threat to which he's capable, even taking it into real life, where he ends up at someone's dojo challenging them essentially to a duel...or making sure someone loses their job...he's not afraid to take his complete raving lunacy offline and into reality.

Oh, and he also really enjoys trolling people's stories if they're authors and anonymously lowering their scores. He thinks it's justice. He's proud of it.

That's actually a fairly big sin on the AH.

First of all, nobody cared when MY stories were getting ONE BOMBED by GBers. As usual, you're only telling one side of the story here.

Second of all, to address another post, my "word" is fairly strong here because unlike your "husband", when I post a thread, I make my agenda clearly known. Ulaven Demorte created this thread and totally deceived the AH. I've nothing to hide and nothing to hide from. I went out of my way in my retaliatory thread to make sure anyone who wanted to "investigate me" could look things up on the GB. UD didn't even provide a link back to the mess that inspired this thread. And he got busted for it.

I give far more of the whole story than you do. Which is why you've been pounding this dead horse of a thread for days after you were asked by others to drop it - you're still trying to save face and smear me as the big evil aggressor to your innocent helpless victimized self.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

It's in the thread that was begun here in the AH. This is entirely right forum to respond to this thread. You simply prefer that I don't because you don't relish the idea of trotting your philosophy out before people who can see the gaping holes in it. There is, for instance, that habit of insisting that any fact or idea you don't care to deal with "isn't real." People who are accustomed to debating actual ideas and information tend not to be terribly impressed by that tactic.

Thanks to you, BS, white supremacists on the GB will now feel free to go utterly apeshit with their racial slurs. They know you'll say nothing to them and criticize me for retaliating. That's what they wanted and you gave it to them.

You've emboldened that redneck trash more than you could ever realize.

 

[Recidiva]

First of all, nobody cared when MY stories were getting ONE BOMBED by GBers. As usual, you're only telling one side of the story here.

Second of all, to address another post, my "word" is fairly strong here because unlike your "husband", when I post a thread, I make my agenda clearly known. Ulaven Demorte created this thread and totally deceived the AH. I've nothing to hide and nothing to hide from. I went out of my way in my retaliatory thread to make sure anyone who wanted to "investigate me" could look things up on the GB. UD didn't even provide a link back to the mess that inspired this thread. And he got busted for it.

I give far more of the whole story than you do. Which is why you've been pounding this dead horse of a thread for days after you were asked by others to drop it - you're still trying to save face and smear me as the big evil aggressor to your innocent helpless victimized self.

But this is an other situation where you use any tactic you choose and always say it's "retaliatory"

What it is, is you being an ass and doing whatever you want. There are several people who call you on your bull and you troll them incessantly.

Nobody here on the AH sees anything different than what I do day in and day out here.

However, folks that populate both boards see you doing the same old, same old. Starting something up and then attempting to rewrite history into something it wasn't so you're somehow the victim.

Using rivalry (race rivalry or board rivalry) to attempt to make people argue with each other. Yet I persist in just arguing with you and giving you full credit here.

You've been trashing the intellect and manners capacity of those on the GB. My lack of manners with you are completely in line with your lack of respect for your subject matter or audience for any other reason than manipulation.

Those folks who value manners over content object, but that's fine. They've gotten enough of a look at me to know what I'm about.

Everyone here knows I'm fine with objecting. Nor have I ever trolled them incessantly, flooded their threads with hateful crap and tried to appear like an angel of virtue.

I'm not an angel of virtue. I'm not trying to be. You might ask yourself why you're trying to look like one when your methods and motives are far from virtuous.

 

[cantdog]

If you want the thread to die, why not quit posting to it?

 

[Recidiva]

If you want the thread to die, why not quit posting to it?

It's just too ironically pretty to see him calling me a thin skinned white trash on the GB and then have the tea party here.

I can't help but bait him and he can't help but respond.

Or I imagine him chewing out the inside of his mouth.

Both of them are fun.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I'm not an angel of virtue. I'm not trying to be. You might ask yourself why you're trying to look like one when your methods and motives are far from virtuous.

Because I'm not trying to look like that.

 

[Recidiva]

Because I'm not trying to look like that.

Yes, but it's your tactics that define you.

Other people avoid certain tactics because they're underhanded, dishonest and hypocritical. I do, at least.

You apparently have no holds barred on tactics you will use and then claim it was fair.

Nothing about this is fair.

Nothing about calling me white trash because I dared to express an opinion about race that differed with yours. Nothing about you calling my son a retard. Nothing about you making sure my threads are full of your hateful spew.

Then you come here and pretend to play nice. Out of respect for this place?

Ask yourself why YOU continued to insult Ulaven and I on the GB, telling us how much the AH would hate us if we knew "the truth." Playing on us being afraid somehow of that?

Which truth? That you hate with such vehemence that you can't help but shoot yourself in the foot?

I really don't mind if they know that, and I don't have to do anything but get you to talk about it and refer to your previous tactics.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Thanks to you, BS, white supremacists on the GB will now feel free to go utterly apeshit with their racial slurs. They know you'll say nothing to them and criticize me for retaliating. That's what they wanted and you gave it to them.

You've emboldened that redneck trash more than you could ever realize.

They know I'll say nothing to them? How will they come to that conclusion? Would that be by reading, say, the "Is 'wetback' a racial slur?" thread, where I spent five pages attacking anyone who used the term? Or would that be in the "Political correctness is dead" thread, where I reminded Ishmael repeatedly of what an ass he looked like every time he used racial epithets instead of thought? Perhaps they're even sally over to the AH and tune in on the latest set-to with Amicus, but then they'll just find more of the same.

I'm quite consistent in attacking the use of racial slurs, and you're well aware of that fact. You simply don't like it when you are the person using them.

You know, I'm finally really seeing the key note of your character. It was this little statement that opened it to me:

First of all, nobody cared when MY stories were getting ONE BOMBED by GBers. As usual, you're only telling one side of the story here.

You really, honestly believe that once you've suffered anything, everyone around you must suffer. You feel that you have an absolute right, because no one stopped others from being cruel to you. That it's actively impossible for anyone to prevent others from one-bombing your stories (hell, I can't stop them from one-bombing my own), or from hurling racial slurs, makes no difference to you. Once you're upset, you're determined that everyone should suffer along with you, because that, of course, is universal justice. If one innocent person feels pain, by God, every innocent person for miles will, and then they'll learn!

What, precisely, they might learn is beyond me - other than learning that you seem to enjoy being attacked, because it allows you to indulge in all of your ugliest habits and nastiest behaviors while smugly telling yourself how completely justified you are. No wonder you go about picking fights; you like it. It's a pleasure to you to have someone to really hound.

 

[xssve]

I don't agree with everything LT says, but I'm going to break my own rule here and side with LT w/respect to whiney Whitey - it's the whole passive aggressive thing common among conservatives, political, religious and racist, and a very common tactic on in internet debates, which consists of egregius underhanded insults, which are all the more irritating because they're concealed in false sincerity - when you call bullshit in perfectly forthright manner, they of course accuse you of being uncivil.

For example a someone might post a long diatribe about gays and pedophilia, and if you call suggest they may be superstitious fools, they respond with the usual "Christian hater", etc.

I've seen it often in on the GB, half the reason I just avoid it anymore, it's race baiting pure and simple, and I really don't care what LT calls you, if you earned it you can fucking well wear it - he's probobly not going to win any debates that way, but that's his choice, some things are harder than others to quietly endure, sometimes it's better to get it out in the open.

I prefer straight talk myself to all this weak ass flabby race baiting posing as sincere concern- no offense to the ladies, but it's a sleazy bitch tactic and I can't respect anybody who uses it.

Grow the fuck up.

 

[BlackShanglan]

I prefer straight talk myself to all this weak ass flabby race baiting posing as sincere concern- no offense to the ladies, but it's a sleazy bitch tactic and I can't respect anybody who uses it.

Grow the fuck up.

So if you respond with more of it ... somehow there will be less?

I'm having trouble following your logic, there.

 

[Recidiva]

I don't agree with everything LT says, but I'm going to break my own rule here and side with LT w/respect to whiney Whitey - it's the whole passive aggressive thing common among conservatives, political, religious and racist, and a very common tactic on in internet debates, which consists of egregius underhanded insults, which are all the more irritating because they're concealed in false sincerity - when you call bullshit in perfectly forthright manner, they of course accuse you of being uncivil.

For example a someone might post a long diatribe about gays and pedophilia, and if you call suggest they may be superstitious fools, they respond with the usual "Christian hater", etc.

I've seen it often in on the GB, half the reason I just avoid it anymore, it's race baiting pure and simple, and I really don't care what LT calls you, if you earned it you can fucking well wear it - he's probobly not going to win any debates that way, but that's his choice, some things are harder than others to quietly endure, sometimes it's better to get it out in the open.

I prefer straight talk myself to all this weak ass flabby race baiting posing as sincere concern- no offense to the ladies, but it's a sleazy bitch tactic and I can't respect anybody who uses it.

Grow the fuck up.

That's the funny part to me. I didn't "bait" him. I had a discussion about my concept of the word nigger.

Of course that's a trap. If I say nigger, if I don't say N-word and I don't speak it in hushed tones with the respect it deserves, I'm a racist. Even if I use the word in context of my opinion about the word nigger, I'm not allowed to have it or speak it. He uses this concept to pummel people. This is me standing up to it. Everyone's assumed I chose my words carelessly. On the contrary, they were extremely well chosen for that moment, for his character, for his attitude, and I stand by them.

The problem here isn't that I underhandedly bait him, which is what he's using to accuse me.

I flat out don't pander to his sense of how much respect I should have for him based on his race alone.

And let me point out, again, that the idea that I'd need to underhandedly do anything because I don't have the courage to do it to his face, is wrong.

This is me NOT calling him a nigger, but not afraid to say nigger.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Thanks to you, BS, white supremacists on the GB will now feel free to go utterly apeshit with their racial slurs. They know you'll say nothing to them and criticize me for retaliating. That's what they wanted and you gave it to them.

You've emboldened that redneck trash more than you could ever realize.

This is exactly how LT broad strokes anyone who disagrees with him. He says the same thing about me that he wrongly accuses Black Shanglan of here. Because BS and I both happen to disagree with him re: his use of "retaliatory racial slurs", he ascribes the position to us that we're permissive of others using racial slurs and target only him. It's very convenient for him to do so and again paint himself as the victim, but has no basis in reality.

Again, anyone who assumes that they are dealing with a rational and sane individual here is in for a very nasty surprise when eventually they dare disagree or god forbid, actually prove LT wrong about anything.

 

[xssve]

That's the funny part to me. I didn't "bait" him. I had a discussion about my concept of the word nigger.

Of course that's a trap. If I say nigger, if I don't say N-word and I don't speak it in hushed tones with the respect it deserves, I'm a racist. Even if I use the word in context of my opinion about the word nigger, I'm not allowed to have it or speak it. He uses this concept to pummel people. This is me standing up to it. Everyone's assumed I chose my words carelessly. On the contrary, they were extremely well chosen for that moment, for his character, for his attitude, and I stand by them.

The problem here isn't that I underhandedly bait him, which is what he's using to accuse me.

I flat out don't pander to his sense of how much respect I should have for him based on his race alone.

And let me point out, again, that the idea that I'd need to underhandedly do anything because I don't have the courage to do it to his face, is wrong.

This is me NOT calling him a nigger, but not afraid to say nigger.

He thought you did, that's how perception works - I didn't even bother to read that thread, so I dunno, but that's the risk you run when you use an emotionally laden word like that - it's very different when you're on the recieveing end of this all time - sure, it's just you - and about a hundred other people a hundred times day.

Don't bother to argue with me, I'm not interested, you just like to hassle you crazy bitch.

 

[Recidiva]

He thought you did, that's how perception works - I didn't even bother to read that thread, so I dunno, but that's the risk you run when you use an emotionally laden word like that - it's very different when you're on the recieveing end of this all time - sure, it's just you - and about a hundred other people a hundred times day.

Don't bother to argue with me, I'm not interested, you just like to hassle you crazy bitch.

Yes, not bothering to establish context is what he's counting on here.

Actually, I think it's funny and that enrages the everloving hell out of him, which is payment and joy enough.

I'm so good at it. That's why he likes to play with me. I'll play back. I particularly enjoyed explaining it to him in Kabuki themes and haiku.

 

[Wyldfire]

You made a racist comment about black people:

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24253080&postcount=107
"Yeah because if they really cut loose the black people would be crying like little giorls and screaming that the racist white people are evil. Such a double standard exists."

You lost this one, Wyldfire. Except in the eyes of those who are okay with racist comments.

Now would you like to go back to the GB with this? Thanks.

Taking one post out of context is so lame LT, but feel free to do so all you want.

I look at what you took offense at and have to wonder how you can look yourself in the mirror after you've called others thin skinned.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Wonderful Idea! I'll have some hungry hippos brought in from Uganda.

Isn't it ENOUGH for you White Women that you have to go to Africa and adopt your own personal Zahara Jolie-Pitts at your whim and then tote them around on your arm as the latest fashion like Paris Hilton does Tinkerbell?

NOW you want to go bring in the hippos, TOO!

AAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!

Get out of my part-ancestral continent, you hipster Caucasians! Weren't Chinese orphan baby daughters good enuff for you? And since I have Native American blood in me too, you might as well get the eff out of America while you're at it!

 

[Recidiva]

Isn't it ENOUGH for you White Women that you have to go to Africa and adopt your own personal Zahara Jolie-Pitts at your whim and then tote them around on your arm as the latest fashion like Paris Hilton does Tinkerbell?

NOW you want to go bring in the hippos, TOO!

AAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!

Get out of my part-ancestral continent, you hipster Caucasians! Weren't Chinese orphan baby daughters good enuff for you? And since I have Native American blood in me too, you might as well get the eff out of America while you're at it!

Can I adopt you instead? Will you come quietly or at least semi-verbally? Because you're cool when you talk.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Can I adopt you instead? Will you come quietly or at least semi-verbally? Because you're cool when you talk.

Well...you DO know the best way to muffle my mouth when you get tired of my yappin'.

...or I should say, you HAVE the best way to muffle my mouth when you get tired of my yappin'...

http://www.innternet.de/~peter.patti/maximounds.jpg

DISCLAIMER: Above imbedded photo is only meant to figuratively illustrate the fecundity of Recidiva's gargantuan mammary glands in the context of Irezumi's perspicacious big-titty fetish and is not an accurate or absolute portrayal of Recidiva's actual bust size, weight, color, heft or ballast-hanging parameters due to her being large-breasted.

 

[Recidiva]

Well...you DO know the best way to muffle my mouth when you get tired of my yappin'.

...or I should say, you HAVE the best way to muffle my mouth when you get tired of my yappin'...

http://www.innternet.de/~peter.patti/maximounds.jpg

DISCLAIMER: Above imbedded photo is only meant to figuratively illustrate the fecundity of Recidiva's gargantuan mammary glands in the context of Irezumi's perspicacious big-titty fetish and is not an accurate or absolute portrayal of Recidiva's actual bust size, weight, color, heft or ballast-hanging parameters due to her being large-breasted.

I am torn between horror and amusement.

So well done. That's why I'm here. Keep up the good work.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Ok. Fine.

Since so many people from the General Board are so hell bent on telling their side of the story, portraying themselves as the victim, while forgetting to talk about what they did to instigate things, I figured I would explain by example the reason why these people LIE when they say they have a problem with racist speech.

Yes, the General Board lies when they say they have a problem with racist speech.

Here's an example of how the rules go for white people on the General Board.

View the threads accompanying these racist posts

and notice the serious lack of criticism from the "racial insults are evil" GB crowd who is now flooding the AH.

People, please tell me, which of these quotes would you say to/of someone in public, where people could tie your words to your real identity?

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24028690&postcount=96
I don't call LT nigger to get to him. His own behavior here has outed him as a nigger and I prefer to call a spade a spade.
Simple. Besides, I have him on ignore for incessant racial and personal attacks...

Note: I never racially attacked this guy before he came after me with his nigger insults.

Also note, he is lying when he says "I don't call LT nigger to get to him." He admits he is a liar here:

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=15412136&postcount=25
I call LT a nigger just to watch him get hyper...
It's all in fun. I tried once to be reasonable and actually defend the guy from the other neocons, but he jumped up and bit me on the ass.

So what was that about "calling someone a racial slur is wrong"? That's a lie when it's coming from the General Board. They only care when certain people hurl racial insults.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24028898&postcount=143
"You do it constantly.
Have you ever heard the John Lennon song, "Woman is the Nigger of the World"?
In that sense, you've made yourself the nigger of the General Board.
And it has nothing to do with whether you're black, which nobody can know, but with how you post."

Note: Byron in Exile is using a racial slur when I never called him any racial name or insulted his race to provoke this.
So what was that about "calling someone a racial slur is wrong"? That's a lie when it's coming from the General Board. They only care when certain people hurl racial insults.

Here is Wyldfire, insulting black people in general. So, people, exactly when is it appropriate to say something like this?

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24253080&postcount=107
Yeah because if they really cut loose the black people would be crying like little giorls and screaming that the racist white people are evil. Such a double standard exists.

So what was that about "calling someone a racial slur is wrong"? That's a lie when it's coming from the General Board. They only care when certain people hurl racial insults.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=15033212&postcount=85
LT, you're a nigger. That's all you are and all you'll ever be. You have a nigger mentality. That's not racist, just an observation. For all I know, you're a white dude playing a game, like you do with your female alts.

The point being is you've taken on a 'victim' mentality and have blamed any slight, any insult, any misfortune in your life on what may, or may not be, an accident of birth. It's apparently never crossed your mind that on the whole you're an entirely despicable human being. Berift of logic or any other rational train of thought, you ascribe whatever fate has dealt you as the fault of others.
I can't identify Ginger. I found her a good home. You? I can see no solution beyond putting you out of your misery. And you are miserable.
Ishmael

So what was that about "calling someone a racial slur is wrong"? That's a lie when it's coming from the General Board. Aside from BlackShanglan (weeks later, mind you), SeanH, Holy they only care when certain people hurl racial insults, no one gave Ishmael hell when he wrote that. Certainly no one gave Ishmael hell on the day that he wrote that.

And here is Recidiva, pulling a stunt that almost NO ONE who gave an official opinion, thought was right:

https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=23475259&postcount=131
I have a black brother in law. He says "I hate fucking niggers." To him, nigger is a state of mind. I've gotta say, you match his idea of nigger.

Now can someone find the racist post by me that somehow justified her saying that?

Recidiva, mind you, is one of the CHIEF people who say "retaliatory racial slurs is wrong". And no one but me and one other black person has criticized her over this.



Now let's observe the rules on racial insults when applied to BLACK PEOPLE:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=543965

Can we say, "Calling all cars"?



Racial slurs are not accepted on the GB? That's a lie. A PROVABLE LIE. A provable, DOCUMENTED lie.


Now can someone please show me where I somehow PROVOKED those racial slurs from all those people? That's a trick question: remember, you all previously said retaliatory racial slurs was wrong.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I used to work in an animal shelter. There was a beautiful pit bull there who was slated for execution (he'd come in as a confiscation from a dog fighter). Many employees pled for his life, as he was indeed a sweet, waggy dog who would lick your fingers through the door and show you his belly if you stooped down to talk to him.

Finally, the behaviorist brought a number of employees in to explain why the dog was going to be put down. She went up to the cage and, instead of crouching down and speaking sweetly to the dog, she stood upright and simply looked down at him. He began to growl and backed into the far corner of the cage. She then slid a biscuit into the cage and picked up a broomstick. The dog moved toward the biscuit. She said "no," quietly but firmly, and slid the broomstick in between the cage links and tapped it on the floor near the biscuit.

She did that twice. The third time the dog threw itself at the broomstick in a savage rage, biting and snarling, and followed it back to the cage door when it was withdrawn to rage at everyone around it.

The lesson: he was nice so long as no one asked him to do anything he didn't inherently want to do anyway.

Here's a more accurate analogy: You shoot at someone, and the police look the other way, they will decide to shoot back at you. If you don't shoot at someone, they won't shoot at you. If the cops can be relied on to take the first shooter down right away, the citizens are less likely to conceal&carry.

The GB shoots at black people. The morality cops turn a blind eye. The AH does not turn a blind eye. And you wonder why I don't shoot racial slurs at anyone here? It's because of the same reason that New York City is not Beirut, but when the cops go away, it can instantly become Beirut.

That's reality.

 

[Wildcard Ky]

I think it depends on context. Do you mean it as something based solely on race, or based on actions?

Let me explain: I've used the word nigger before. In calling someone a nigger, it had nothing to do with the color of their skin, but how they were acting. They were acting like a nigger. The person I called a nigger was white.

I realize that the word historically has a racial meaning, but I simply see it in a different context. I see it relating to actions, not pigmentation.