Are there any groups of women out there who form erotic fan clubs for short men?

[bronzeage]

When Bronzeage is losing really badly

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=230011&page=1

his excuse is "I only came here to make him jump".

The fact is, you got lured into defending a point of view that was dead from the get go.

And you made a total idiot of yourself all over Lit by claiming you know what goes on in the minds of women.

Now you're backed into a corner and you're using your typical weasel-out comebacks.

Sorry, that really is the only reason I do this. You can't really think I care what you think or say about anything, do you?

It's not that bad, is it?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I do this when I'm cornered. I can't win with facts so now I have to spin doctor my way out.

Edited for correctness.

 

[staciliv]

BlackShanglan and others seem to assert that short men are equally as sexually popular (or unpopular) as fat women.

Any comparison of facts says this is total bullshit; in that plus sized women have many fan clubs and admirer groups, and even some cultures (i.e., Mexico) look at them as being quite attractive; and that the same exceptions do not exist among women for short men - generally, a short guy who has a girlfriend/wife has some other, major plus in his life (money, fame, seriously good looks) that compensates.

Plenty of guys say "I love me some voluptuous women (in general)", but how many women say "I like short guys" the way they say "I like tall/rich guys (in general)"?

Aw, c'mon - Napolean was a short guy. I doubt if he had to invaide Russia to pick up chicks!

Hey, short fellas are fine; I'm only barely 5' tall myself, so I look up to just about everybody!

Unless the 'short fella' we're talking about is another little fella...

 

[emap]

Cade I gotta ask you a question, are you always here? I mean seriously don't you get tired of being here and not there at some point or another?

 

[BlackShanglan]

BlackShanglan and others seem to assert that short men are equally as sexually popular (or unpopular) as fat women.

As I couldn't possibly spare the time to find and correct every single time that you misrepresent what I and others say, please take this as token protest intended to apply to this and all of the other times you choose to be tedious and deliberately obtuse on this topic.

Just as a word of advice: when a man is gifted with as great a natural fount of obtuseness as you are, it doesn't necessarily pay to deliberately manufacture more of the article.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Just a soupcon of facts while we're at it: 20% of the male population of the United States is under 5' 6" in height. On the other hand, 48% of white females are overweight, and the rates are higher - 10-15% higher - amongst blacks and Latinos. While weight is theoretically changeable, obesity is also one of the most difficult conditions to treat medically, with long term success rates on the whole running at only about 30% maximum for any approach.

Of course, that's good news for the weight fetishists and those short men whom LT appears to believe are begging their dates in the street, as it leaves quite a lot of women in the less-sexually-competitive bracket. And that - regardless of where LT is driving his little wagon - is where this began: with the question of whether women faced any challenge similar in scope or effect to that faced by a short man. Not whether disadvantages were nonexistent - just whether short men faced some incomparable, unparalleled doom in the dating world. That seems unlikely to me even if we don't go dipping into a host of actual disabilities that the genders get to share the fortune of pretty equally.

Bonus points for those who wish to troll allllll the way back to some of LT's own posts from studies and notice what they have to say about very tall women and their ability to compete in the dating world. Well, my goodness. Would you look at that?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Just a soupcon of facts while we're at it: 20% of the male population of the United States is under 5' 6" in height. On the other hand, 48% of white females are overweight, and the rates are higher - 10-15% higher - amongst blacks and Latinos. While weight is theoretically changeable, obesity is also one of the most difficult conditions to treat medically, with long term success rates on the whole running at only about 30% maximum for any approach.

Of course, that's good news for the weight fetishists and those short men whom LT appears to believe are begging their dates in the street, as it leaves quite a lot of women in the less-sexually-competitive bracket. And that - regardless of where LT is driving his little wagon - is where this began: with the question of whether women faced any challenge similar in scope or effect to that faced by a short man. Not whether disadvantages were nonexistent - just whether short men faced some incomparable, unparalleled doom in the dating world. That seems unlikely to me even if we don't go dipping into a host of actual disabilities that the genders get to share the fortune of pretty equally.

They don't face similar challenges. There is a fundamental reason that you keep attempting to disregard or disprove: the reason is, a woman has a 25% chance of losing her weight. A short man has a ZERO percent chance of increasing his height. Zero versus 25% is more than just a big jump - it's fundamentally different. One is possible; the other is not.

There are groups of men who admire and look for BBW women. There aren't groups of women who look for short men. There are small groups of women who will ACCEPT short men.

It's a pity that ignoramuses like you, BlackShanglan, keep trying to deny these simple, easily demonstrated facts.

But then again, whatsoever contradicts you must not be fact. Right?

Nice trick there, dragging tall women into this in an attempt to drive this discussion totally off course.

 

[BlackShanglan]

They don't face similar challenges. There is a fundamental reason that you keep attempting to disregard or disprove: the reason is, a woman has a 25% chance of losing her weight. A short man has a ZERO percent chance of increasing his height. Zero versus 25% is more than just a big jump - it's fundamentally different. One is possible; the other is not.

One is possible for 25% of a group. The other is not possible for any.

But, hey, let's give you the 30% I quoted. What does that give us?

20% of the male population with a problem they can't change.

48% - 65% (depending on racial grouping) of the female population - let's make it 48% to be as fair to you as we possibly can - times .7 = roughly 33.6 percent of the female population with a weight problem they aren't going to fix.

See how those numbers stack up?

And, of course, that's not even counting the women in the upper 20% of the female height range, who, according to your own sources, are also going to face dating challenges.

Nice trick there, dragging tall women into this in an attempt to drive this discussion totally off course.

I'm sorry. Did you mention something about ignoramuses who attempt to ignore easily demonstrable facts? Perhaps you'll enlighten us as to how observing that there's a flip side to height disadvantages that men face - i. e., height disadvantages that women face - takes us completely off track from the original topic, which was whether women faced any sort of dating disadvantage comparable to that faced by a short man.

Really. This is the danger of the "being deliberately and tediously obtuse" tactic. Yes, it will from time to time get people to give up trying to talk to you so that you can crow (quietly) in self-adoration and pretend that you've "won," but if you do it for long enough, it's the opposite of fairy gold. When the light of dawn hits it, it turns real.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

One is possible for 25% of a group. The other is not possible for any.

But, hey, let's give you the 30% I quoted. What does that give us?

20% of the male population with a problem they can't change.

48% - 65% (depending on racial grouping) of the female population - let's make it 48% to be as fair to you as we possibly can - times .7 = roughly 33.6 percent of the female population with a weight problem they aren't going to fix.

See how those numbers stack up?

Except for that 33.6% of women who are overweight, there are guys who actually admire them.

Now let's play a game of symmetry: for those 20% of guys, what women's groups have you identified that actually single them out for admiration?

And, of course, that's not even counting the women in the upper 20% of the female height range, who, according to your own sources, are also going to face dating challenges.

If I gave a cursory look I bet I could find tall women admirer groups, too. Not that you would have to integrity to admit they exist even if I managed to have them knocking at your door in person.

That would make me two points ahead of you, who have yet to show us any example of women who admire short men for their height (which would be logically symmetrical to men who admire bbw's for their bbw-ness).

I'm sorry. Did you mention something about ignoramuses who attempt to ignore easily demonstrable facts?

Oh noes. IKYABWAI in 10... 9... 8...

Perhaps you'll enlighten us as to how observing that there's a flip side to height disadvantages that men face - i. e., height disadvantages that women face - takes us completely off track from the original topic, which was whether women faced any sort of dating disadvantage comparable to that faced by a short man.

Because we're talking about short men and not tall women (who wouldn't want a shorter guy anyway)?

Really. This is the danger of the "being deliberately and tediously obtuse" tactic. Yes, it will from time to time get people to give up trying to talk to you so that you can crow (quietly) in self-adoration and pretend that you've "won," but if you do it for long enough, it's the opposite of fairy gold. When the light of dawn hits it, it turns real.

You, who have steadfastly refused to recognize that there are groups of men who ADMIRE BBW's

YOU, who have brought absolutely no documentation to support anything you've said here

have the nerve to call anyone else obtuse?



I just spent a week dealing with you people claiming that women did not post on Lit that they won't date shorter men.

You people are crazy. It's no wonder you'll never amount to anything: you have a restraining order against reality.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Ah, that's what was missing. Not just the obtuseness; it only works with the tedium as part of the package deal.

Just for the record, I've never "refused to acknowledge" that BBW admirer groups exist. That would be silly. In fact, it's the sort of thing that could only be invented by a particularly tedious person who couldn't find any actual weak part of an argument to quibble with and was reduced to building straw men and demonstrating his prowess on those, apparently in hopes that if he did it long enough, people would get tired of pointing out each individual way in which he was, yet again, incorrect.

But let's look at the BBW sites. (Hmm. Actually, that would be a lot more entertaining than this thread. I might need to get back to you.)

Amazingly, you've found Internet groups interested in porn and fetish created by men about women, in this case BBW's. Who could have possibly guessed that? And - even more shocking - you haven't personally located any created by women about men, specifically short men. Again, amazing.

A less subtle mind than yours might have come to a more obvious conclusion - that the majority of fetish and porn groups are in fact created by and cater to men and not women (although of course there are always women who buck that trend). An even less willful mind might have considered that in fact, some psychologists still define "fetish" specifically as a male behavioral pattern. I just helped a friend writing an article on the topic (she argued that it wasn't). A truly careless mind - the sort that lets actual reality intrude willy-nilly into its own constructed world - might draw from this a different conclusion: perhaps there's a reason I'm not finding female short-male-fetish sites other than "no women can stand the sight of short men" - particularly given that many of them do, in fact, marry or have successful relationships.

Given, however, that I respect the absolute inviolability of your pure and uninterrupted mental sterility, I'll try to speak a language you understand: links.

Amazonlove.org - Anyone's guess who's running this site, but it's out there for people of both ranges of the height spectrum. Rejoice, all of you tall women and short men everywhere.

http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=84358 - women posting about their happy relationships with shorter men.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...in_article_id=477179&in_page_id=1879&ito=1490 - Awww, now that's just cute. Even the Daily Mail wants to chime in.

http://www.under-five-eight.co.uk/ - And look! A dating site designed just to help women hook up with shorter men.

Now, here's an interesting question for the world of LT reality. What would seem to you to more strongly indicate a real likelihood of a serious relationship: the existence of a fetish site (bearing in mind the remarkable numbers and variety of things that have fetish sites dedicated to them), or the existence of a dating site?

If you've got time left over, you might devote it to a thesis on "Why BlackShanglan was able to find within five minutes ample evidence that things I claimed were nonexistent do in fact exist."

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Ah, that's what was missing. Not just the obtuseness; it only works with the tedium as part of the package deal.

Just for the record, I've never "refused to acknowledge" that BBW admirer groups exist.

Then how come you tried to dismiss them as a "fetish" group and tried to invalidate their example as a point of fact that there are men who actively admire big women?

That would be silly. In fact, it's the sort of thing that could only be invented by a particularly tedious person who couldn't find any actual weak part of an argument to quibble with and was reduced to building straw men and demonstrating his prowess on those, apparently in hopes that if he did it long enough, people would get tired of pointing out each individual way in which he was, yet again, incorrect.

You said my presentation of BBW admirer groups was not a FACT in regards to showing that fat women don't have the dismal chances you said they do, at getting dates.

You may have not MEANT that they don't exist, but when you say it wasn't a fact, you are saying they don't exist.

The problem here is in your wording. Your reasoning is one giant weak point that an entire aircraft carrier battlegroup floating sideways, couldn't plug up.

But let's look at the BBW sites. (Hmm. Actually, that would be a lot more entertaining than this thread. I might need to get back to you.)

Amazingly, you've found Internet groups interested in porn and fetish created by men about women, in this case BBW's. Who could have possibly guessed that? And - even more shocking - you haven't personally located any created by women about men, specifically short men. Again, amazing.

What's more amazing is you were crazy enough to look at these two facts

oh wait, there you go again, claiming anything that contradicts you is not "fact"

and say that it doesn't show that short men have it tougher than fat women.

A less subtle mind than yours might have come to a more obvious conclusion - that the majority of fetish and porn groups are in fact created by and cater to men and not women (although of course there are always women who buck that trend). An even less willful mind might have considered that in fact, some psychologists still define "fetish" specifically as a male behavioral pattern.

There you go again, going off topic. But I, never one to run from an argument, much less one that damages your position more than mine, will oblige.

1) How does this FAIL to prove my case that there are men who admire and look for fat women?

2) How does this prove your case that there are women who admire and look for short men?

3) BBW admirer sites cater to men and not women. Duh. That implies there is a viable market for serving the desires of men who actually WANT to see big women, and even jerk off to the sight of them.

4) Okay, so fetish behavior is a big thing among men. Where does the "submissive" lifestyle, occasionally found among women, fall under? Fetish? Oh noes, it can't possibly be that. In the same way that action figures are not dolls, I suppose.

Fetishes are specifically a male behavioral pattern thing. Wow. I can just blindly bet that even the General Board isn't stupid enough to go with you on that assertion. Much less the rest of the world. I would go dig up credible expert testimony that "fetishes are specifically a male behavioral pattern" is a crock of shit, but then you'd REALLY have a field day about how those are just opinions and not fact. Unlike when you post your brute force assertion that "fetishes are specifically a male behavioral pattern thing" and imply it to be fact. But that is not for this thread. If you wish to stand behind that "fetishes are specifically a male behavioral pattern" thing that you've been slipping in here, then feel free to make a new thread.

I just helped a friend writing an article on the topic (she argued that it wasn't). A truly careless mind - the sort that lets actual reality intrude willy-nilly into its own constructed world - might draw from this a different conclusion: perhaps there's a reason I'm not finding female short-male-fetish sites other than "no women can stand the sight of short men" - particularly given that many of them do, in fact, marry or have successful relationships.

Straw man attack. How... inimitable. I'm sure no one has ever imitated that tactic before.

I never said no women can stand the sight of short men. I never said no woman would date a short man. I never even said no woman admires short men. I did say there are no groups of women who admire short men. Do note you'll dodge this one, too. How inimitable of you.

Given, however, that I respect the absolute inviolability of your pure and uninterrupted mental sterility, I'll try to speak a language you understand: links.

Amazonlove.org - Anyone's guess who's running this site, but it's out there for people of both ranges of the height spectrum. Rejoice, all of you tall women and short men everywhere.

Yeah, that's a big point of contention. Who runs this site. If it is made by men to cater to men, your argument is like a wet paper towel soaking in bleach.

The worst part? It's almost ALL computer generated erotica. Do you see many, if any, real couples in there?

And if there are females who admire this site or who contribute to it, how does this fail to cripple the credibility of "fetishes are specifically a male behavioral pattern"? Is this site not a fetish site? I mean, look at the height differences on there.

http://www.discovervancouver.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=84358 - women posting about their happy relationships with shorter men.

Oh my. That's a huge crowd. 4 women. None of whom said they look for/admire short men. They said they date or have dated short men because

"but he is the best damned good looking guy I have ever met. Appearance does matter to me, such as style and cleanliness. Height isn`t an issue for me" (Or did I read the wrong web page?)

Not "I love short guys". Or did I miss that part?

But then again, like you said, women don't do fetishes. *chucklesnort*

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...in_article_id=477179&in_page_id=1879&ito=1490 - Awww, now that's just cute. Even the Daily Mail wants to chime in.

Now that's better. If I were to be like you, I would say that link is nothing but a bunch of opinions.

But I'm better than you, so I won't go there.

I'll even acknowledge that the writer of that particular article crossed the threshhold into actually admiring and maybe even seeking out short men. Congratulations again, you're finally getting on topic.

The thing is, the people she is talking about, are all couples that got together not because these tall women like short men, but because they're more like VermillionSkye than Cheyenne - they don't mind a man's height. And they're not very numerous, either, certainly not on the scale of men who don't mind a fat woman's weight.

These couples you laid out as an example are not admirers, BlackShanglan. Allow me to put this another way. They simply don't consider shortness a dating death sentence. There is a difference between lusting for short men and accepting their height in lieu of other compensating personality pluses (given the nature of this article, said pluses are probably money and fame. Probably, that is).

But I will reiterate: the writer of the article, however, is an admirer, and not influenced by money or fame (like the couples she was referring to). She is not a group.

http://www.under-five-eight.co.uk/ - And look! A dating site designed just to help women hook up with shorter men.

THAT'S THE SPIRIT!!!
Bingo, a website for women who ADMIRE short men.

Finally, an on-topic, logical punch of an argument that disturbed the hairs on my five o'clock shadow. I was wondering if you were ever going to man-up and face me head-on with facts of any sort.

Man, I need a shave.

butiundress.

I'll even assume there are a few women on that website. How's that?

Now, here's an interesting question for the world of LT reality. What would seem to you to more strongly indicate a real likelihood of a serious relationship: the existence of a fetish site (bearing in mind the remarkable numbers and variety of things that have fetish sites dedicated to them), or the existence of a dating site?

Allow me to give you kudos for a well crafted argument here. Good show, chap. I'd say the dating site would be more geared towards creating a serious relationship.

That's one for BlackShanglan. I shall chalk it myself.




But

and I feel so bad about doing this to you, even though I really must

I mean, really, I like seeing you building momentum against me. It's been such a long time since the last time I've had any challenge on here. I miss Lavared, Sean Renaud and the like. Perg kicks ass, too. If you would post things like this more often, you'd be a giant against more people than just Ishmael...

butidigest

How does "Under Five Eight (regarding men's height)" not qualify as a fetish site? It focuses greatly on men who are under a certain height threshold in the same way that BBW admirer sites focus greatly on women who are above a certain height/weight threshold.

And I'm sure you would call this a fetish site (or the legion of others I dug up by yahoo'ing "bbw dating"):
http://yourbbwdating.com/

If you've got time left over, you might devote it to a thesis on "Why BlackShanglan was able to find within five minutes ample evidence that things I claimed were nonexistent do in fact exist."

You found one qualifying group. Within five minutes I could find a hundred BBW dating groups, if I can cut and paste that fast, that is. Hmm. One every 3 seconds. Yahoo would have to load subsequent pages very fast for me to be able to queue up links that fast.

Ok, scratch that.

I can certainly dig up 25 BBW dating groups in those 5 minutes. Much better.


Now let's just recap here.

Bronzeage said women do not care about a man's height. Logically speaking, it only takes ONE example of a woman who cares about a man's height, to prove him wrong. I showed 5 examples just from Lit alone. Why do you have a problem with that, if you truly believe in logic and reasoning?

 

[BlackShanglan]

You said my presentation of BBW admirer groups was not a FACT in regards to showing that fat women don't have the dismal chances you said they do, at getting dates.

You may have not MEANT that they don't exist, but when you say it wasn't a fact, you are saying they don't exist.

I'll just leave this here and wave on my way out of the room. If at any point in your life you ever learn to distinguish between a fact and a theory or claim based upon that fact, do drop me a line.

Enjoy!

 

[phrodeau]

LT, I think this site would be useful to you.

http://www.shortpassions.com/groups/A+Little+Shorter+Than+Average.html

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I'll just leave this here and wave on my way out of the room. If at any point in your life you ever learn to distinguish between a fact and a theory or claim based upon that fact, do drop me a line.

Enjoy!

I know what a fact is, and I demonstrated it.

I don't care about your disapprovals. You're just a weasel who can't admit to being wrong.

It is a fact that there are BBW admirer groups and that these men look for big women. A fact that is demonstrated on a daily basis here, especially in the am pics forum.

Run away, little boy. I doubt anyone is stupid enough to agree with that part of your delusional rant.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

LT, I think this site would be useful to you.

http://www.shortpassions.com/groups/A+Little+Shorter+Than+Average.html

Nope. If I were 5'8 or shorter, or any kind of man with your personality, I'd be waiting forever for a response.

The traffic there looks extremely light, if there is any at all:

http://www.shortpassions.com/forum/

 

[BlackShanglan]

I know what a fact is, and I demonstrated it.

I don't care about your disapprovals. You're just a weasel who can't admit to being wrong.

It is a fact that there are BBW admirer groups and that these men look for big women. A fact that is demonstrated on a daily basis here, especially in the am pics forum.

Run away, little boy. I doubt anyone is stupid enough to agree with that part of your delusional rant.

It would be remarkable if they did, given that (1) I don't either and (2) the delusion is your own. You really cannot seem to grasp that there is a difference between a fact ("BBW admirer groups exist") and the conclusions that you draw from that fact; the one may be true and the other false, a concept which appears permanently to lay beyond your grasp. However, rest assured that I won't trouble your peace longer on that topic; when I really have to dig in and explain those ideas to people, I don't to it for free.

But it's awfully cute how you call me little boy. You charming coaxer. Stop trying to lure me back with flattery and flirtation. It might work.

 

[bronzeage]

It would be remarkable if they did, given that (1) I don't either and (2) the delusion is your own. You really cannot seem to grasp that there is a difference between a fact ("BBW admirer groups exist") and the conclusions that you draw from that fact; the one may be true and the other false, a concept which appears permanently to lay beyond your grasp. However, rest assured that I won't trouble your peace longer on that topic; when I really have to dig in and explain those ideas to people, I don't to it for free.

But it's awfully cute how you call me little boy. You charming coaxer. Stop trying to lure me back with flattery and flirtation. It might work.

Now I'm jealous. He called you a weasel and a little boy. All I got was weasel.

I should have been a horse when I had a chance.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Now I'm jealous. He called you a weasel and a little boy. All I got was weasel.

I should have been a horse when I had a chance.

On the plus side, if we ever feel so inclined, we can fuck like members of the mink family. (Together or individually, as you like.)

It's a good life, horsing. The alfalfa is juicy, the clover is sweet, and there's always a hope of a good cropping hanging in the air with redolent promise. Still, those little finger things look almighty handy. If you've never attempted to pry the binding from a bale of hay using only your teeth, I wouldn't recommend it.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

It would be remarkable if they did, given that (1) I don't either and (2) the delusion is your own. You really cannot seem to grasp that there is a difference between a fact ("BBW admirer groups exist") and the conclusions that you draw from that fact; the one may be true and the other false, a concept which appears permanently to lay beyond your grasp. However, rest assured that I won't trouble your peace longer on that topic; when I really have to dig in and explain those ideas to people, I don't to it for free.

You have to understand it for yourself before you can try to explain it.

But it's awfully cute how you call me little boy. You charming coaxer. Stop trying to lure me back with flattery and flirtation. It might work.

Actually, it did work. I'm sorry I insulted little boys, though. Most little boys are more challenging than you.

And of course you continually, predictably and *ahem* inimitably *cough* continue to fail to comprehend my words. Allow me to get back to the basics here.

1) Bronzeage said women do not care about a man's height.
2) Logically speaking, it only takes ONE example of a woman who cares about a man's height, to prove him wrong.
3) I showed 5 examples of women who care about a man's height, just from Lit alone.
4) I presented the larger societal example of BBW admirer groups as evidence (fact) that fat women don't have it as hard in the dating world as you might believe. You tried to discount that as not evidence (fact).


And please, don't go around explaining things to people, for pay or otherwise. Our educational system is performing poorly enough without you doing more damage to our yout's.

Enjoy.

 

[phrodeau]

You have to understand it for yourself before you can try to explain it.


Actually, it did work. I'm sorry I insulted little boys, though. Most little boys are more challenging than you.

And of course you continually, predictably and *ahem* inimitably *cough* continue to fail to comprehend my words. Allow me to get back to the basics here.

1) Bronzeage said women do not care about a man's height.
2) Logically speaking, it only takes ONE example of a woman who cares about a man's height, to prove him wrong.
3) I showed 5 examples of women who care about a man's height, just from Lit alone.
4) I presented the larger societal example of BBW admirer groups as evidence (fact) that fat women don't have it as hard in the dating world as you might believe. You tried to discount that as not evidence (fact).


And please, don't go around explaining things to people, for pay or otherwise. Our educational system is performing poorly enough without you doing more damage to our yout's.

Enjoy.

This must be true. The educational system certainly did a poor job with you.

And I won't argue that you find most little boys challenging.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

This must be true. The educational system certainly did a poor job with you.

Your posts are routinely shown to children to frighten them from dropping out.

And I won't argue that you find most little boys challenging.

Intellectually speaking? Far more than you.

 

[BlackShanglan]

And I won't argue that you find most little boys challenging.

This is true. One cannot be challenged by that which one cannot comprehend.

Truly, one of the great timeless dilemmas.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Do fat women really have it as bad as short men?

Let's see just how badly BlackShanglan has lost this debate:
http://www.largeandlovely.com/
http://www.bbwplaza.com/
http://www.bbwdatelink.com
http://www.lovesexromance.com/wst_page6.html
http://4romanceonline.com/bbw_dating.html
http://www*******datingnow.net/beautiful_singles.html


Clearly, BS, you do not comprehend the sheer stupidity of your position, in light of all the overwhelming evidence standing against you.

What puzzles me is why you continue to assert that fat women have it so bad, in light of all these piles of evidence showing that they have so many men who want them

and why you are so stupid as to defend Bronzeage's clearly unsupportable "women don't care about a man's height" bullshit which has already been disproven several times over?

What is your mental malfunction?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I can go on forever with the evidence, but really, all you're ever going to do is change your argument from day to day.

You can't accept that I'm right and I have brought a multitude of facts, documentation, links and other things that support exactly what I have claimed, word for word, without error.

You have retreated from attacking the accuracy of my claims and instead gone on to attack me for posting evidence to back it up. You have absolutely no concept of what a fact is. Really, you don't.

You are a piss poor debater and a sore loser. Logic and reasoning are more alien to you than you realize. Your style is not resistant to imitation: you're far too common a blight upon the world of rational discussion.

 

[BlackShanglan]

It's so cute the way you argue with yourself when I don't post.

But really, if you want me to explain claims, grounds, and warrants to you and to show you which piece of the puzzle you're missing every single time you attempt to claim that I deny the existence of BBW groups, you're going to have to pony up. I can see that it's going to be a big job, so you'll forgive me if I charge by the hour. $75/hour, three hours in advance, and I'll try to put it into small words.