Biden’s mid-east foreign policy a total disaster, Israel at war

[ll74]

LAZ

"The Abraham Accords were basically a PR stunt. - Totally on brand with the Drumpf regime’s M.O. - Gauche style and graft over real substance and progress."

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-748569;

"Biden admin goes from slighting Abraham Accords to promoting them - analysis"​

"As part of the dual agreements, both the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations"

Then Biden dropped the ball.

*HYPOCRITE* LAZ

It was a political move. The Biden administration had nothing to gain in opposing them

Recognizing Israel did not change the situation as the countries already recognized them privately.

 

[icanhelp1]

I thought it was 100 billiion. No, six billion. Or Biden didn’t give Iran money, he issued a waiver for international banks to transfer $6 billion in frozen Iranian money from South Korea to Qatar. Would someone get it right for once? Really, you guys fudge figures worse than the Trump Corporation.

Most of Iran’s cash comes from oil

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Most of Iran’s cash comes from oil

duh???????????

 

[Sean Renaud]

Have they started moving away from oil yet? I mean the real problem with oil for a nation that is dependent on it is that whether it runs out or enough countries like the US and China go primarily renewables you're screwed.

 

[Lazaran]

LAZ

"The Abraham Accords were basically a PR stunt. - Totally on brand with the Drumpf regime’s M.O. - Gauche style and graft over real substance and progress."

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-748569;

"Biden admin goes from slighting Abraham Accords to promoting them - analysis"​

"As part of the dual agreements, both the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain recognized Israel's sovereignty, enabling the establishment of full diplomatic relations"

Then Biden dropped the ball.

*HYPOCRITE* LAZ

^
(Quoted for posterity and stupidity)

ineedhelp1 obviously doesn’t know what the definition of "HYPOCRITE is.



Side note:

President Biden is trying to get the MAJOR PLAYER in the region (Saudi Arabia) to recognize Israel’s right to exist and he is using the framework of "The Abraham Accords" as the vehicle to facilitate that goal,; but even that is just a political ploy (imho) meant to put Saudi Arabia on the spot and get them to declare where they stand on Israel,

The recent overtures Saudi Arabia has made to Iran and Syria speaks volumes about the fluid nature of the Saudi’s commitment to / fostering of peace with Israel. - Of course Bibi Netanyahu’s formation of a right wing government in Israel was a major driver of Saudi Arabia’s pivot towards Iran and Syria.

See here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/melikk...toward-iran-and-what-it-means-for-us-all/amp/

From the article:

“But the pivotal factor in the equation has to be Israel, not least the conditions under Netanyahu's new government. After all, the greatest loser in the Saudi maneuver was Israel. Why would the Saudis betray their new-found ally Israel, having squandered so much Arab sympathy by embracing the Jewish state in the first place? Consider the timing of Saudi Arabia's Iran decision: Soon after Bibi Netanyahu crafted a coalition with hard-line Israeli parties and announced annexations on the West Bank.”



So NOT President Biden’s "fault". It arguably IS Drumpf and Netanyahu’s "fault". (Although, "Peace in the Middle East " is practically an oxymoron.)

*nods*

Ultimately, “Ambivalent” is the proper word to describe the attitude any decent, intelligent individual should have when considering "The Abraham Accords" or even the Saudi’s recent overtures to Iran and Syria. There’s a whole lot of geopolitical posturing and positioning going on. - Any alliances / deals that results from "The Abraham Accords" or the Saudi overtures to Iran and Syria are suspect / tenuous at best.

Hope that ^ helps.



ineedhelp1

 

[icanhelp1]

^
(Quoted for posterity and stupidity)

ineedhelp1 obviously doesn’t know what the definition of "HYPOCRITE is.



Side note:

President Biden is trying to get the MAJOR PLAYER in the region (Saudi Arabia) to recognize Israel’s right to exist and he is using the framework of "The Abraham Accords" as the vehicle to facilitate that goal,; but even that is just a political ploy (imho) meant to put Saudi Arabia on the spot and get them to declare where they stand on Israel,

The recent overtures Saudi Arabia has made to Iran and Syria speaks volumes about the fluid nature of the Saudi’s commitment to / fostering of peace with Israel. - Of course Bibi Netanyahu’s formation of a right wing government in Israel was a major driver of Saudi Arabia’s pivot towards Iran and Syria.

See here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/melikk...toward-iran-and-what-it-means-for-us-all/amp/

From the article:

“But the pivotal factor in the equation has to be Israel, not least the conditions under Netanyahu's new government. After all, the greatest loser in the Saudi maneuver was Israel. Why would the Saudis betray their new-found ally Israel, having squandered so much Arab sympathy by embracing the Jewish state in the first place? Consider the timing of Saudi Arabia's Iran decision: Soon after Bibi Netanyahu crafted a coalition with hard-line Israeli parties and announced annexations on the West Bank.”



So NOT President Biden’s "fault". It arguably IS Drumpf and Netanyahu’s "fault". (Although, "Peace in the Middle East " is practically an oxymoron.)

*nods*

Ultimately, “Ambivalent” is the proper word to describe the attitude any decent, intelligent individual should have when considering "The Abraham Accords" or even the Saudi’s recent overtures to Iran and Syria. There’s a whole lot of geopolitical posturing and positioning going on. - Any alliances / deals that results from "The Abraham Accords" or the Saudi overtures to Iran and Syria are suspect / tenuous at best.

Hope that ^ helps.



ineedhelp1

Your verbiage does not take into consideration the original principle effect of the Abraham Accords prior to the Biden administration. Israel and Saudi Arabia were laying the ground work for peaceful coexistence and normalization of relations designed by the Trump administration. Biden, early on, establishing Saudi Arabia as a pariah state was an embarrassment that Saudi Arabia could not tolerate. Biden’s insistence on an Iran nuclear deal putting precedence on dealing with Iran and snubbing SA was a critical mistake made by the Biden administration. Biden failed to take into consideration that Iran was, in the eyes of the Saudis, an existential threat. Iran had been cheating on its nuclear agreement and obligations which was proven by the Israelis on multiple occasions and was well known globally but ignored by both the Obama and Biden administrations. The Western Europeans countries were in the JCPOA not to limit Iran’s nuclear development but for selfish economic reasons and were furious with Trump’s sanctioning of Iran.They wanted oil from Iran and to enhance trade relationships.

Biden took half measures to boost the Abraham Accords but behind the scenes put more emphasis on JCPOA which had negative effects on both Israel and Saudi Arabia. The sanctions on Iran reduced their economy to the point of near collapse. Biden lifted many sanctions hoping to convince Iran from becoming a nuclear power, pie in the sky bullshit. Obama and Biden refused to learn the lessons from N Korea. Biden tried to play both sides and got neither. Iran is presently producing 3 million barrels a day and filling their coffers promoting these Mideast proxy wars with the intention of wiping Israel off the map. The calamitous withdrawal from Afghanistan pissed off our allies once again, first time being Trump insisting western allies abide by the embargo. JCPOA also failed to deal with long range missile technology and production.

Biden should right now as we speak warn Iran outright and publicly that if Hezbollah marches on Israel we, in partnership with Israel, will mine Iran Harbors and destroy their oil production capabilities.

I believe Hamas, Hezbollah terrorist cells are in our country right now waiting for a signal from Teheran to unleash a terrorist attack on our own soil and I believe it will be against our children.

 

[Lazaran]

Yes it does.



ineedhelp1

 

[Chobham]

Two diplomatic stances to watch carefully is Israel's stance re. the Ukraine and Saudi Arabia's stance towards the Palestinians. Those decisions can have dramatic effects.

 

[phrodeau]

Two diplomatic stances to watch carefully is Israel's stance re. the Ukraine and Saudi Arabia's stance towards the Palestinians. Those decisions can have dramatic effects.

So could Israel’s stance towards Ukraine, and Saudi Arabia’s stance towards Palestine.

 

[Chernosoth]

Israel will always be at war until it doesn't exist anymore. The British Empire created it to divide and weaken former territories, the same strategy it used with India and Pakistan, north and south US, and everywhere in the former empire around the world. The US and UK are becoming unable to support Israel. It might have a couple decades left.

 

[RandyRebecca]

It should be one Palestine, for peoples of all religions and none.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Israel will always be at war until it doesn't exist anymore. The British Empire created it to divide and weaken former territories, the same strategy it used with India and Pakistan, north and south US, and everywhere in the former empire around the world. The US and UK are becoming unable to support Israel. It might have a couple decades left.

The British empire at least in traditional sense was a thing of the past by WW2. Many of the divides you mentioned make, made perfect sense for various reasons and one way or another would have happened the if not the same way, very similar way.

 

[YDB95]

The really pathetic thing is, Icanthelpit undoubtedly thinks Trump would have been able to avoid this. Odds are Trump can't even find Israel on a map!

 

[Bray123]

Israel will always be at war until it doesn't exist anymore. The British Empire created it to divide and weaken former territories, the same strategy it used with India and Pakistan, north and south US, and everywhere in the former empire around the world. The US and UK are becoming unable to support Israel. It might have a couple decades left.

Point of order: Israel was created by the United Nations (The USA being a major influence of which) following WW2.

The UK owned Palestine and had also declared support for the creation of a Jewish Homeland even prior to WW2 but the US does not so easily escape responsibility for the subsequent shit-show.

The land was cleared of the peoples who had lived there since biblical times and folk thought that they'd shrug their shoulders and find somewhere else to live. It didn't happen that way.

It is ever thus, that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

 

[Chobham]

Point of order: Israel was created by the United Nations (The USA being a major influence of which) following WW2.

The UK owned Palestine and had also declared support for the creation of a Jewish Homeland even prior to WW2 but the US does not so easily escape responsibility for the subsequent shit-show.

The land was cleared of the peoples who had lived there since biblical times and folk thought that they'd shrug their shoulders and find somewhere else to live. It didn't happen that way.

It is ever thus, that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Well now, there's a tidy perversion of history

 

[JoePepsiCo]

The Six-Billion Dollar man!

What a great investment in Peace we made there! Talk about ROI!
The argument at the time went along the lines of,
"Well, it's their money! It's not coming out of our pocket!"
Well, it certainly will nowl
Just like Ukraine.
And Taiwan.
but thankfully
not our border...

The Corrupt Dollar man!

He, and oh so many spit on the Abraham Accords.
Peace? NO! NEPOTISM! CORRUPTION!!!
I know!!! Let's send HUNTER!
He'll fix things.
He'll cash in!!!
for the Big Guy...

 

[Bray123]

Well now, there's a tidy perversion of history

Because they didn't tell you that version in your school?

Here's an interesting thing. Always check out the other side's view, whether it's a military/terrorism conflict, union disputes whatever. You'll learn a lot about why we are where we are. You don't need to agree with it but at least you may understand why people are blowing themselves up.

 

[Sean Renaud]

None of this money is coming from our pockets. That's forgetting that in real life the government doesn't tax and spend, it creates and destroys. There would be reasons to tax just to keep inflation where we want it even if we didn't spend a dime. Labor comes before capitol and even the via the Fed they can print money when they need to for whatever reason.

 

[Chobham]

Because they didn't tell you that version in your school?

Here's an interesting thing. Always check out the other side's view, whether it's a military/terrorism conflict, union disputes whatever. You'll learn a lot about why we are where we are. You don't need to agree with it but at least you may understand why people are blowing themselves up.

Actually you're full of shit. The history of modern Israel goes back to the 1890's and Theodore Herzl. Middle European Jews started buying up land in what is now, and was ancient, Israel. That land was confiscated, illegally, during WWII and re-distributed to buddies of the Grand Mufti. Those Muslims that owned their own land in Israel and DID NOT participate in the first Arab-Israeli war still live in Israel and still own their land. The survivors of the holocaust that held title to the land merely reclaimed what was theirs legally. The claims of 'confiscation' by the so called 'Palestinians' are bull shit, they were squatter's on land they didn't own.

 

[ishtat]

The brutal truth is that only about 125,000 have been killed in this conflict over the last 20 years. It does not affect 99.9% of people in the West one iota. These people are expendable. The Palestinian leadership is totally corrupt and the Israeli leadership will use the attack to justify further territorial encroachments. Hand wringing and moral anguish from those of us who are not involved will achieve nothing.

 

[icanhelp1]

The really pathetic thing is, Icanthelpit undoubtedly thinks Trump would have been able to avoid this. Odds are Trump can't even find Israel on a map!

Had Trump won a second term the extreme sanctions on Iran would have continued. Perhaps would have resulted in the collapse of the regime itself. It only stands to reason that if Iran did not have access to cash to fund these terrorist groups maybe this event doesn’t happen. That by itself changes the dynamics. I believe with Trump at the helm maybe Putin doesn’t invade Ukraine and maybe the withdrawal from Afghanistan, which I strongly disagreed with, would have been much less chaotic and would have happened in concert with our allies. I believe with Trump at the helm peace holds in the Middle East. Biden’s Middle East policies are a total failure.

 

[Lazaran]

The brutal truth is that only about 125,000 have been killed in this conflict over the last 20 years. It does not affect 99.9% of people in the West one iota. These people are expendable. The Palestinian leadership is totally corrupt and the Israeli leadership will use the attack to justify further territorial encroachments. Hand wringing and moral anguish from those of us who are not involved will achieve nothing.

Are you responding to the thread topic and the thread starter???

The entire premise of this thread is stupid and crazy.

President Biden’s administration’s recent negotiations that brought illegally detained Americans home from Iran had zero bearing on the recent attack by Hamas in Israel.

It could easily be argued that the Drumpf administration’s decision to move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, "The Abraham Accords" which excluded the Palestinians, the continued encroachment by Israel into Palestinian areas, and the hard rightward tack in Israeli politics DID contribute to this recent escalation.

*nods*

 

[Bray123]

Actually you're full of shit. The history of modern Israel goes back to the 1890's and Theodore Herzl. Middle European Jews started buying up land in what is now, and was ancient, Israel. That land was confiscated, illegally, during WWII and re-distributed to buddies of the Grand Mufti. Those Muslims that owned their own land in Israel and DID NOT participate in the first Arab-Israeli war still live in Israel and still own their land. The survivors of the holocaust that held title to the land merely reclaimed what was theirs legally. The claims of 'confiscation' by the so called 'Palestinians' are bull shit, they were squatter's on land they didn't own.

Well isn't that a tidy perversion of history.

How many victims of the Holocaust held titles to land in Palestine?

 

[Buffalogurl]

Your verbiage does not take into consideration the original principle effect of the Abraham Accords prior to the Biden administration. Israel and Saudi Arabia were laying the ground work for peaceful coexistence and normalization of relations designed by the Trump administration. Biden, early on, establishing Saudi Arabia as a pariah state was an embarrassment that Saudi Arabia could not tolerate. Biden’s insistence on an Iran nuclear deal putting precedence on dealing with Iran and snubbing SA was a critical mistake made by the Biden administration. Biden failed to take into consideration that Iran was, in the eyes of the Saudis, an existential threat. Iran had been cheating on its nuclear agreement and obligations which was proven by the Israelis on multiple occasions and was well known globally but ignored by both the Obama and Biden administrations. The Western Europeans countries were in the JCPOA not to limit Iran’s nuclear development but for selfish economic reasons and were furious with Trump’s sanctioning of Iran.They wanted oil from Iran and to enhance trade relationships.

Biden took half measures to boost the Abraham Accords but behind the scenes put more emphasis on JCPOA which had negative effects on both Israel and Saudi Arabia. The sanctions on Iran reduced their economy to the point of near collapse. Biden lifted many sanctions hoping to convince Iran from becoming a nuclear power, pie in the sky bullshit. Obama and Biden refused to learn the lessons from N Korea. Biden tried to play both sides and got neither. Iran is presently producing 3 million barrels a day and filling their coffers promoting these Mideast proxy wars with the intention of wiping Israel off the map. The calamitous withdrawal from Afghanistan pissed off our allies once again, first time being Trump insisting western allies abide by the embargo. JCPOA also failed to deal with long range missile technology and production.

Biden should right now as we speak warn Iran outright and publicly that if Hezbollah marches on Israel we, in partnership with Israel, will mine Iran Harbors and destroy their oil production capabilities.

I believe Hamas, Hezbollah terrorist cells are in our country right now waiting for a signal from Teheran to unleash a terrorist attack on our own soil and I believe it will be against our children.

Your belief of sleeper cells in this country is very much the truth along with Russian and Chinese terrorists cells. All of which have arrived here through a unprotected southern border. Via Biden regime and the Obama regime's dreamers
What is not publicly known is Iran already possess nuclear weapons..... my suggestion is to act accordingly

 

[ll74]

Your belief of sleeper cells in this country is very much the truth along with Russian and Chinese terrorists cells. All of which have arrived here through a unprotected southern border. Via Biden regime and the Obama regime's dreamers
What is not publicly known is Iran already possess nuclear weapons..... my suggestion is to act accordingly

Lol ....you're predictable.

Fear mongering is your only mode.