A Foreign Policy Discussion

Bodington

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Let’s talk about foreign policy. After all we are in the process of electing the next President of the United States and ostensibly the leader of the free world. So foreign policy is by definition a very important component of the job.

At this point in time, one of the greatest current crisis in the world is the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine. So what is Kamala Harris’ position regarding this war? Well she has said this and I quote: “So, Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So basically that’s wrong.”

Does that statement give you confidence that she has a clue on how to deal with this international crisis? Maybe you don’t believe she articulated such an inanity? Here’s a link to Snopes the fast checking platform favored by the Democratic Party:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...y called Ukraine. So basically that's wrong."

The question is what is the desired winning outcome for the United States and Europe for this conflict? To my way of thinking wars end in either of two ways. Either one side is totally defeated and surrenders; WWII is an example. Or a ceasefire via diplomatic negotiations ends the hostilities; the Korean War is such an example.

So first of all, can Ukraine defeat Russia? The short answer is no. Napoleon could not do it. Hitler could not do it. And those two had comparably more formidable military assets in fighting Russia than Ukraine currently has notwithstanding that the Biden-Harris administration has sent exorbitant amount of military aid to Ukraine, has applied sanctions and has gotten some of our European allies to do the same. The only real way Ukraine can defeat Russia is if the US military forces and NATO join forces and come to provide meaningful military boots on the ground assistance to aid in the conflict. Needless to say, the United States nor any ally in Europe has the appetite for that. And even should we in the west actually contemplate such a disastrous option, Russia has the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons. Putin has declared publicly that he would not hesitate to employ nuclear weapons should he detect that Russia was losing in the conflict. I believe he means it and such result would be obviously catastrophic for the planet.

I presume that the Biden-Harris administration policy is the hope that by continuing to prop up Ukraine’s war efforts, Russia will eventually tire of the war and then leave Ukraine voluntarily alone. That may or may not work depending on Russian zeal. But I think it’s more likely that Russia would eventually succeed and annex all of Ukraine. By the way it is obvious that military industrial complex in the United States are profiting from this war. And I suggest the Democratic Party has become more war hawkish than the Republican Party. No Democratic congress member seems to oppose continuing to send military aid to Ukraine whereas a few Republican Party members are questioning the wisdom of our policy to date.

I would also like to point out that the one thing Trump did during his Presidency which was universally, unequivocally lauded and applauded by the Trump hating MSM and the Democratic Party occurred when he ordered the bombing strike against Syria in retaliation to Syria’s poison gas attack. Its noteworthy to mention that 200 Russian military personnel were killed as a result of that action but Russian protest was muted. In any case Russia did not invade Ukraine during Trump’s presidency.

I trust you would agree that a negotiated ceasefire between the these two combatants is the only way we can win. So, how would you gauge Harris’ ability to be an effective negotiator for the United States? Well, we do have a hint aside from the idiotic assessment referred to above. Harris as VP did attend the Munich Security Conference on Feb 19/22 and articulated dire consequences would be in store for Russia should it invade Ukraine. Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb 22/22.

No doubt you’re all familiar with Teddy Roosevelt’s simplistic phrase to describe effective foreign policy: “Speak softly and carry a big stick.” It is axiomatic that for that phrase to work your adversary must believe you have a big stick but more importantly are willing to wield that big stick if necessary. Obviously, Putin was unafraid of the United States big stick despite Harris’ threat of dire consequences.

You’re no doubt aware that recently Trump had a meeting and held a press conference with Volodymyr Zelensky the Ukrainian President. Trump asserted that if elected he would quickly negotiate a fair deal between the two combatants and end the civilian carnage. I have confidence that Trump would be successful. It is a well known maxim that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And Trump’s foreign policy successes in the past have been spectacular.

Some examples: (a) He demanded that all NATO member countries abide by the agreement to spend 2% of their GNP on their military. When Trump took office there were only five NATO countries fulfilling that obligation. Today there are 23 countries out of 31 members meeting that guideline. Germany in fact is matching equally the US contribution. It is obvious that if all NATO members did adhere to the guideline there would an effective immediate military deterrence available to discourage Russia to try to regain former Soviet Union satellites like the Baltic States and Moldavia not to mention exert direct influence on affiliated states such as Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and even parts of Germany among others.

(b) Trump was instrumental in the execution of the Abraham Accords which formerly normalized relations between Israel and certain Arab states. At this point in time Israel’s only true and most serious adversary in the Middle East is Iran and their terrorist proxies but more about that later.

(c) When Trump took office, in the practice of providing traditional letter to the incoming new President, Obama warned Trump that the biggest foreign policy headache was North Korea. In response to this nettlesome problem Trump arranged a meeting with North Korea’s leader Kim Jong Un in the city state of Singapore. A strategic choice since Singapore and North Korea were in the same economic position at the time North Korea was divided from South Korea at the end of WWII. Singapore has since become a super wealthy state while North Korea by all accounts is a poverty disaster. The idea was that this dichotomy might make an impression on the North Korean leader.

But still despite their poverty, North Korea is in possession of nuclear weapons which is potentially dangerous. With the encouragement of China, North Korea had conducted a plethora of nuclear testing with the end result that their nuclear capability was enhanced. An attack certainly on Japan, an important US ally, would be devastating and an attack on the United States could become possible. So in this summit meeting Trump applied the Teddy Roosevelt’s approach to foreign policy. The soft talk probably made little impression on Kim Jong Un but the big stick obviously did. I suggest that Kim got the message that unlike past US Presidents, Trump would not put up with North Korea’s continued shenanigans in trying to become a serious nuclear power. Ergo the rest of the Trump’s Presidency no longer saw any bellicose activity by North Korea. Sad to say since Biden became President, North Korea has become frisky again by resuming occasional nuclear weapon testing.

In contrast to these foreign policy successes of Trump, the most significant foreign event in the Biden-Harris administration has been the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Thirteen US soldiers lost their lives in the ill planned evacuation. Lots of overly expensive military equipment was left behind which Taliban gleefully displayed on parade as being now in their possession. It is an example of one of the most egregious disgraceful black eye the United States has ever suffered on the world stage.

You say Trump is a terrible person, but can you convince me that Harris is competent? Remember Harris has publicly affirmed that she was in on the decision of the withdrawal from Afghanistan and approved of it. I prefer the terrible person to the incompetent person to lead our nation.
 
The other current most critical international crisis is the Israel -Hamas - Iran conflict. First of all I can confidently aver that had Trump prevailed in the 2020 election, and thus had he been in office during Biden’s term, the Oct 7/23 the Hamas massacre of 1,400 Israeli citizens never mind including beforehand the atrocious rape of women who were subsequently murdered, would not have occurred. I say this, that Hamas could not have possibly carried out the logistics of the scope of such evil action without receiving assistance from Iran their financial enabler and supporter.

You should be aware that during Obama’s tenure, he negotiated a deal with Iran, whereby Iran would agree not to pursue furthering their nuclear ambitions for a period of ten years in return the US would unfreeze Iranian assets held in the various world banks. In fact as a result, pallets of paper money valued in the amount of 400 million US dollars comprising in the form of euros, Swiss francs and other foreign currencies were flown into Tehran. Now the kicker in this deal was that Iran would not allow for independent inspection by UN officials to verify that it was carrying out their part of the bargain to suspend nuclear weapon research. Wow! What a deal! This was only an arrangement as Obama knew he could not convert the deal into a treaty as even Chuck Schumer opined there was not sufficient support in Congress for the deal to be enshrined into a treaty.

So once Trump became President, this Obama deal was quickly placed into the shredder. He immediately froze any further Iranian assets in the world banks. He placed sanctions on Iranian trade and induced the European allies to follow suit. As a result Iran became virtually broke notwithstanding its marketable oil reserves. It is safe to say that the worst four years of Iran’s experience in this century occurred during the four years when Trump was in office. Luckily for Iran, when Biden was elected in 2020, he came to the rescue. Biden unfroze the Iranian assets and removed the trade sanctions against Iran and suddenly Iran was flush again. Quite capable of continuing to enhancing their nuclear program such that it is conceded that they are very close to becoming a nuclear power and what would that mean for the safety of Israel as a Jewish state?

I want to digress for a moment to question you Trump haters who are Jewish. In the past it is has been quite evident that the majority of Jewish Americans will vote for the Democratic Party. Why in the world in this election would those of you continue this tradition? First case in point: when Kamala Harris was elevated to become the Democratic standard bearer in this election, the conventional political wisdom was that the selection of Josh Shapiro was a no brainer choice for a running mate. He is a very popular governor in the state of Pennsylvania and surely it would be a crucial factor in the opportunity for Kamala to prevail in this must win state. But instead Kamala chose Tim Walz who heralds from a presumably reliable safe Democratic state of Minnesota.

So what was wrong in choosing Josh Shapiro? Why he is Jewish. There is clearly an element of a heavy presence of anti Semantic sentiment percolating throughout the mindset of the Democratic Party. Apparently the feeling in the minds of the power elites of the Democratic Party hierarchy is that since the Jewish vote is a given, that it is much more important to court the anti Semantic voters. By the way to remind you Jewish voters, Trump’s daughter, Ivanka had converted to Judaism as a result of marrying a Jewish man and consequently Trump has three Jewish grandchildren. Obviously Trump is a more pro Jewish and pro Israel than anyone the Democratic party can willing proffer.

It is an irony that Iran was once a reliable US ally prior to 1979 at which time the Shah of Iran was overthrown by the present regime of Muslim Mullahs. Admittedly the Shah of Iran was an autocrat in ruling Iran, but he was a friend of the United States. In contrast the Mullahs proclaimed that the United States was the great Satin and advocated death to the United States. In conjunction with such sentiments wiping out America’s ally, the state of Israel from the map was an authentic policy ambition of their regime. They wasted no time in pursuing their evil goals as supposed students seized the US embassy and held the employees as hostage for more than a year during the last part of Carter’s term in office.

It has amazed me of the naivety Democratic Presidents and Democratic Party leaders as well as the Secretary of State officials were intent to downplay the evil adversarial threat Iran poses to the United States. President Carter was apparently oblivious to Iran’s desire to humiliate the United States to the nth degree. Negotiations continuously broke down simply because Iran could recognize they were in no jeopardy in prolonging the hostage crisis and to continue embarrassing the United States.

However, as evil and vile the Iranian leadership was, they were not stupid but instead were pragmatic. Two hours before Reagan was inaugurated as President they released the Embassy hostages unconditionally ignoring the previous conditions they had stipulated to Carter negotiators which would be necessary to end the impasse. In other words to use Teddy Roosevelt’s metaphor the Iranian leaders were cognizant that Reagan had the big stick and would not hesitate to use it to pummel Iran. A thought about President Carter who still is alive at this time of writing, having just celebrated his 100th birthday. I admire his moral integrity and concede it certainly surpasses Trump’s personal character but there is no denying he was a piss poor President as evinced by this hostage crisis.

I’m compelled to digress again. I’m bemused that Hollywood celebrities find it necessary to offer their personal endorsements to Democratic Presidential candidates especially when they are obviously ignorant of the actual politics of the United States. Case in point is the ABC television show “Designated Survivor”. That show has a unique premise, in that at a State of Union address in congress, the capital building is destroyed by an explosion killing all persons who would be in line of being President leaving the only designate survivor to assume the mantle of the Presidency. Two scenes are problematic. One is that US officials are in negotiation with the ambassador of Iran. Apparently the producers of the show were unaware that the United States and Iran have not had any diplomatic relations since the hostage crisis. In another scene the President’s detail arrive at the Dearborn Airport to negotiate with the governor of Michigan. I suppose kudos can be given to the producers for recognizing that Dearborn has one of the largest concentration per capita of Muslims in the United States and incidentally is home for the world headquarters of the Ford Motor Company. However there is no Dearborn airport. In fact the Detroit Metropolitan International Airport is located closer to Dearborn than it is to the City of Detroit.

I’ve already outlined the powerlessness of the Obama deal with Iran. It seems like Obama, Biden and now Kamala Harris believe its imperative to coddle Iran. Speak softly only but do not use the big stick. The latter two in particular are apparently advising Israel not to retaliate against Iran for their extensive recent missile attack where some 200 missiles were directed to hit Israel. There were no casualties since the Israeli citizens found refuge in bomb shelters and the Iron Dome Defense that Israel has in place was able to counter diffuse almost all of the incoming missiles. Because the attack was unsuccessful Biden and Kamala Harris are cautioning Israel not to reciprocate.

I think one can conclude that Iran desperately wants to see Kamala Harris elected. Israel on the other hand probably could tolerate handling a Harris administration considering the alliance between the US and Israel but life would sure be easier for Israel if Trump wins the election.
 
Ukraine and Russia is a pissing match of little import that only strengthens the real enemy, RED CHINA.


Like me, you wasted too much type typing that out. I tend to long-winded soap-boxing myself.

It's like shadow boxing only with the brain.

Brains need to be worked,

They are fallible...
 
In another thread currently going, a member was bemoaning how Americans frequently lacked the tools necessary to distinguish between what are facts from the news and what are opinions. It's not by accident that many sources do this and, unfortunately, you are one of those seemingly incapable of knowing the difference.
 
Some st000pid person will be along soon to tell all y'all how st000pid all y'all are.


Just sayin'.
 
^^^^^
Not a typo cos when challenged to step up the answer is…
 
"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden. Biden's elevation to president didn't make him any smarter, in fact the converse might be said.
 
What was it President Obama said, something about never underestimating Joe's ability to fuck things up?
 
"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden. Biden's elevation to president didn't make him any smarter, in fact the converse might be said.


And then . . . more of the same only dumber.
 
Nah. Last time you said you wanted a discussion it was only until you were shown to be in error and then you just walked away so this is probably the same.

Have fun though.
 
It's devolved into dumberer...

Who goes first?

The Peanut Farmer (who NOBODY hated) or the doddering old fool?

There's going to be a Wellstone moment; it's the winning play. Send in Hillary for the Epstein...



Will anyone attend Broadway Uncle Smokin' Jow Willie funeralizing anyway?
 
Oh hell yes and they, it turns out, really loved and idolized him and can we put him up on that mountain?

Take off some of the slave owners and put of the real Heroes of Transformation?

The Soviet Pantheon of Transformers.


When they finally assemble, you're living in a red corvette, it's 1999, and America now has a Purple Reign.
 
Does that statement give you confidence that she has a clue on how to deal with this international crisis?
NOBODY has a clue on how to deal with the Russia-Ukraine war, beyond giving military aid to Ukraine.

Putin was counting on a quick victory -- he would take Kyiv and install a pro-Russian puppet regime like Belarus has. That failed, and he had no plan B.

So what they have now is a border war -- it will never be more than a border war, because (short of the nuclear option) neither side has the ability to decisively defeat the other, in the sense of destroying its capacity to make war.

So it's just going to go on and on until Putin gets tired of it. It's HIS war of choice, after all -- the Russian people were not clamoring for war with Ukraine -- they have nothing to gain by it. If Russia wins this war, the Russian people will not be any safer, or richer, or freer. Nor will they be any worse off if Russia loses. They don't even care if Ukraine joins NATO. So Putin can end this war at any time -- he will face no domestic opposition -- nobody who wants to keep it going.
 
NOBODY has a clue on how to deal with the Russia-Ukraine war, beyond giving military aid to Ukraine.

Putin was counting on a quick victory -- he would take Kyiv and install a pro-Russian puppet regime like Belarus has. That failed, and he had no plan B.

So what they have now is a border war -- it will never be more than a border war, because (short of the nuclear option) neither side has the ability to decisively defeat the other, in the sense of destroying its capacity to make war.

So it's just going to go on and on until Putin gets tired of it. It's HIS war of choice, after all -- the Russian people were not clamoring for war with Ukraine -- they have nothing to gain by it. If Russia wins this war, the Russian people will not be any safer, or richer, or freer. Nor will they be any worse off if Russia loses. They don't even care if Ukraine joins NATO. So Putin can end this war at any time -- he will face no domestic opposition -- nobody who wants to keep it going.
What is your previous alt?
 
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