Why I favor legalizing gay marriage

[ILienBagby]

Fifty years ago (I am in my late 70's now), I and my wife were not legally married in 14 of these United States. Our 4 children (now grown, successful and parents themselves) were legally bastards in those 14 states. The justification for that legal bar to marriage (you can look it up if you don't believe me) was that the bible argued against interracial marriage. Today opponents of gay marriage cite the same authority against gays getting married. Isn't it odd that those same people who demand that the government get out of our lives (Tea Partiers and GOP dividers) are the same people who demand that the government get into the business of stopping people from getting married (ironically saying that this will defend marriage)?

 

[busybody..]

you misunderstand what is meant by the GOVERNMENT GETTING OUT OF OUR LIVES

 

[islandman]

Fifty years ago (I am in my late 70's now), I and my wife were not legally married in 14 of these United States. Our 4 children (now grown, successful and parents themselves) were legally bastards in those 14 states. The justification for that legal bar to marriage (you can look it up if you don't believe me) was that the bible argued against interracial marriage. Today opponents of gay marriage cite the same authority against gays getting married. Isn't it odd that those same people who demand that the government get out of our lives (Tea Partiers and GOP dividers) are the same people who demand that the government get into the business of stopping people from getting married (ironically saying that this will defend marriage)?

That's nice, but nowhere in your post do you state why you favour legalizing gay marriage.

 

[Liar]

Only one reason needed: Why not?

Only aruments I hear against allowing gay marriage seem to have religious basis. And to legislate based on religion is de facto religious discrimination. And that's... like... bad.

 

[busybody..]

Only one reason needed: Why not?

Only aruments I hear against allowing gay marriage seem to have religious basis. And to legislate based on religion is de facto religious discrimination. And that's... like... bad.

Hey PUTZ

Same reason for disallowing POLOGAMY!

Are you for that as well?

PRETEND IM ON IGGY

 

[Liar]

Hey PUTZ

Same reason for disallowing POLOGAMY!

Are you for that as well?

PRETEND IM ON IGGY

You are on iggy. I peek in from time to time when I'm bored.

But yes, I'm for polygamy between consenting adults. Needs different legal contracts than between two people though, but that's for lawyers to set up a framework for.

What's IS the argument against?

 

[about_average]

Only aruments I hear against allowing gay marriage seem to have religious basis.

I've seen some others.
It's icky.
"It will destroy my marriage."
I'm sure I've seen some others as equally valid, I just can't think of them at the moment.
Oh, right, another is that people will start marrying their dogs.

 

[busybody..]

You are on iggy. I peek in from time to time when I'm bored.

But yes, I'm for polygamy between consenting adults. Needs different legal contracts than between two people though, but that's for lawyers to set up a framework for.

What's IS the argument against?

Non

What is the argument between a marriage of a 49 yr old and a 14 yr old?

Is teh 14 yr old UNAWARE and INCOMPETANT?

and FUCK YOU, EITHER IGGY ME OR STFU

 

[semen4her]

You are on iggy. I peek in from time to time when I'm bored.

But yes, I'm for polygamy between consenting adults. Needs different legal contracts than between two people though, but that's for lawyers to set up a framework for.

What's IS the argument against?

Why try to talk sense to a racist buffoon?

You and everyone else put it on iggy for a reason.

 

[CandiCame]

Only one reason needed: Why not?

Only aruments I hear against allowing gay marriage seem to have religious basis. And to legislate based on religion is de facto religious discrimination. And that's... like... bad.

I'm very confused on this thing myself...

 

[Liar]

Non

What is the argument between a marriage of a 49 yr old and a 14 yr old?

Is teh 14 yr old UNAWARE and INCOMPETANT?

Yes. The 14 year old is not an adult.

You're really not very good at this.

and FUCK YOU, EITHER IGGY ME OR STFU

As you wish. I will read and reply to you no more.

 

[Image]

Fifty years ago (I am in my late 70's now), I and my wife were not legally married in 14 of these United States. Our 4 children (now grown, successful and parents themselves) were legally bastards in those 14 states. The justification for that legal bar to marriage (you can look it up if you don't believe me) was that the bible argued against interracial marriage. Today opponents of gay marriage cite the same authority against gays getting married. Isn't it odd that those same people who demand that the government get out of our lives (Tea Partiers and GOP dividers) are the same people who demand that the government get into the business of stopping people from getting married (ironically saying that this will defend marriage)?

This ^

And just recently, what so many of those ignorant voters in NC didn't realize was that it wasn't about gay marriage at all. It was about giving rights to common law partners whether they were gay or straight...

Congratulations btw, on a successful life and children in the face of such ignorant bias...

 

[about_average]

Yes. The 14 year old is not an adult.

Provided certain conditions are met, in several states I think, but definitely Alabama, you can get married at 14. In New Hampshire it's 13.
Unless the laws have been changed recently.
A local church in GA was carting 14 year old girls to AL to get married to keep them from sinning.

I do agree with your point, however.

 

[busybody..]

As you wish. I will read and reply to you no more.

Good!

 

[unregistered]

 

[lovetoread]

Provided certain conditions are met, in several states I think, but definitely Alabama, you can get married at 14. In New Hampshire it's 13.
Unless the laws have been changed recently.
A local church in GA was carting 14 year old girls to AL to get married to keep them from sinning.

My brother got married when he and she were both 14 in SC.

 

[cjh]

Unless you're getting married by a judge or the captain of a ship, you're getting married in church, dummy. That's because it is fundamentally a religious exercise.

then you have no problem with gay civil unions and the partners receiving all of the rights and responsibilities accompanying marriage under the law?

 

[Wings]

I wish I could find a statistic (an accurate one) that shows where most marriage ceremonies are taking place. Here in Minnesota, even in the winter, most of my peers are choosing to be married in venues other than a church. If I ever get married again I won't do it in a church either. It makes me sick to my stomach, the blatant bigotry that this civil union debate has brought to light.

My mom who is a very devout born again tried to "talk sense" regarding this subject, it makes me sad to see that even she of the open mind has decided that persecuting humans is ok as long as they are gay.

I have a sort of hope that in 20 years I'll be telling my kids "can you believe that we used to deny any adult human the right to get married?"

Bigotry is bigotry.

To the OP: congrats on your long marriage. Good for you.

 

[about_average]

Unless you're getting married by a judge or the captain of a ship, you're getting married in church, dummy. That's because it is fundamentally a religious exercise.

Many many people in the US get married by a judge or JP in a non-religious ceremony. Maybe we should ban those marriages as well.
US ship captains cannot legally marry people unless they are also a judge, jp or minister, at least not in the sense that the latter 3 can.

 

[about_average]

I wish I could find a statistic (an accurate one) that shows where most marriage ceremonies are taking place.

No idea about the accuracy, but it does sound reasonable.
"80 percent of weddings are performed in churches or synagogues"
http://www.soundvision.com/info/weddings/statistics.asp

A quick google turned up a list of churches that aren't made up of religious fanatics. (at least not when it comes to same sex marriage)
http://www.gayweddinginstitute.com/...iness/post/Which_Churches_Allow_Gay_Marriage/

 

[ILienBagby]

you misunderstand what is meant by the GOVERNMENT GETTING OUT OF OUR LIVES

I didn't misunderstand. What people who say they want "the government out of our lives" mean when they say that is : (1) they don't want to pay taxes to support the country in which they are privileged to live. (Do these same people think that they should be allowed to watch a movie in a theater without paying to get in?), (2) they also mean to say that polluters should be able to poison our drinking water or pour carcinogens into the air we breath. (3) They also say that the government should be allowed to tell us what position we should assume when having sex.

If you mean something else by "government out...."please explain (or try to explain).

 

[richard_daily]

Non

What is the argument between a marriage of a 49 yr old and a 14 yr old?

Is teh 14 yr old UNAWARE and INCOMPETANT?

and FUCK YOU, EITHER IGGY ME OR STFU

Are you going after 14 year olds now?

I guess I can understand why... no woman within 35 years of you will talk to you.

 

[CandiCame]

Yes. The 14 year old is not an adult.

You're really not very good at this.

As you wish. I will read and reply to you no more.

Damn it! Someone already said Alabamy, didn't they!? FUCK! I wanted to be first!

Unless you're getting married by a judge or the captain of a ship, you're getting married in church, dummy. That's because it is fundamentally a religious exercise.

I've been to one marriage in a church, but I've been to literally thousands of marriages. My brother's was beautiful, he had it in a lodge deep in the woods with these giant windows overlooking Buckhorn lake in the spring. It was seriously gorgeous. Reception was nosowell thought out though. He had some friends come in from the city, and they'd apparantly never eaten outside before, because they were all like, "Ewww!! Bugs!! There's bug on the food!! There's bug in the bathroom!"

And we were like, "Just keep drinking. You'll stop caring. It's all good. Now DANCE FUCKERS DANCE!!"

There was absolutely no religion involved. Even the one in the church had no religion involved, it was just the venue that they wanted because it was pretty. See... the vast majority of weddings, I've learned from having to be in so many of them, is that it be good enough for the bride. That's the beginning and end of it. She wants a church, she gets a church, and the fucking flowers better be on the edge of the pews, and the fucking collums better have the goddamn streamers, and they better be motherfucking PERRYWINKLE BLUE, NOT COLBOLT BLUE. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with style.

Because there's not a goddamn thing gay about that.

Oh, and Jack's wedding colors were black and pink. Because that's apparently metal and shit. It was the gayest possible tux while still being classy rather then promy. Black tux, pink cumberbun, pink flower in the lapal. All the bridesmaids dressed like Barbie dolls. All the guys dressed like Ken dolls. Because it's all about style. Plus, he was kinda marrying Barbie. Blond sorority chick for the anorexic would-be actor. I'm sure they'll have fun in Cali.

 

[richard_daily]

Unless you're getting married by a judge or the captain of a ship, you're getting married in church, dummy. That's because it is fundamentally a religious exercise.

You do realize that not all religions are bigoted, right?

 

[Liar]

Unless you're getting married by a judge or the captain of a ship, you're getting married in church, dummy. That's because it is fundamentally a religious exercise.

And those churches should have the right to refuse to marry gays.

But what if my church wants to? Does your church have the right to have the Government force me not to?