Will DNC effort to pit women and men against each other work?

[renard_ruse]

Obama is still at it:

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-obama-20120407,0,3563880.story

Whether you call this wedge issue politics or just plain evil, clearly the DNC and the Obama team feel this will work.

I surely hope it doesn't not even for partisan reasons, but because we have enough problems between the sexes already.

I think the best response to this, is for the GOP to start talking about families and their interests. Most people are still heterosexual and a majority of those are, have been, or will be in a household relationship for much of their life with someone of the other sex. Women and men don't live in a vacuum from each other.

 

[renard_ruse]

...Women are not some monolithic bloc. Women are not an interest group," the president told a group of policymakers and business leaders. "You shouldn't be treated that way...

While he then proceeds to speak to them exactly as if they are.

 

[bronzeage]

It's too late for the GOP to be concerned about what women think. That boat has sailed and the women are on it.

 

[renard_ruse]

It's too late for the GOP to be concerned about what women think. That boat has sailed and the women are on it.

Dream on, Rory.

As President Obama said "women are not an interest group." There is no "woman group." Are you contradicting the President?

 

[Sean Renaud]

The best thing the Republicans could do is to do an about face and agree 100% with Obama at least on Planned Parenthood. We'll see if they wisen up about it at all.

 

[bronzeage]

Dream on, Rory.

As President Obama said "women are not an interest group." There is no "woman group." Are you contradicting the President?

I actually talk to a woman, every once in a while. They are mad, really fucking mad. The Republicans have fucked up bad and there is no way to recover.

Call them anything you want, spin it anyway you want. Most women are not going to vote for any GOP presidential candidate. That's how bad it is. There is not actually a "woman group", but the GOP has managed to create one.

Congratulations. Now go call someone a slut on a nationally broadcast radio show.

 

[Drixxx]

I actually talk to a woman, every once in a while. They are mad, really fucking mad. The Republicans have fucked up bad and there is no way to recover.

Call them anything you want, spin it anyway you want. Most women are not going to vote for any GOP presidential candidate. That's how bad it is. There is not actually a "woman group", but the GOP has managed to create one.

Congratulations. Now go call someone a slut on a nationally broadcast radio show.

No need to sweat it. The Black and Latino vote are still up for grabs.

 

[RightField]

It's too late for the GOP to be concerned about what women think. That boat has sailed and the women are on it.

In the 2010 midterms, the dems got less that 50% of women's vote for the first time in many years - and got trounced in the elections. In last year's "approval" polls, dems got even lower rankings with women. It was thought that some of the defection away from the democrats was the worry that the disasterous democrat economic plan and growing deficit was going to cause problems for families; children and grandchildren.

Many voters voted for Romney because of his "electability" largely because of his appeal to independents and women. That support has been waning lately and time will tell if it's a temporary change or a permanent one.

Obama recognizes this which is why he's running this program for women...he needs their votes in order to win and he can no longer take them for granted. It's also why they "spun" their effort to force religious organizations to provide free contraceptives into a media-driven "war on women" by the Republicans. I can only hope that most women are smart enough to recognize this continued opportunistic spin and deception by the dems and see that their policies are poison for the country in the long run.

I hope that the Republican platform is a strong one that is well received and recognized as such by both men and women.

 

[renard_ruse]

The best thing the Republicans could do is to do an about face and agree 100% with Obama at least on Planned Parenthood. We'll see if they wisen up about it at all.

Planned Parenthood is a vile, evil organization that leeches off taxpayers as a way to get around the Hyde amendment.

 

[renard_ruse]

In the 2010 midterms, the dems got less that 50% of women's vote for the first time in many years - and got trounced in the elections. In last year's "approval" polls, dems got even lower rankings with women. It was thought that some of the defection away from the democrats was the worry that the disasterous democrat economic plan and growing deficit was going to cause problems for families (for future families), children and grandchildren.

Many voters Romney's "electability" largely because of his appeal to independents and women.

Obama recognizes this which is why he's running this program for women...he needs their votes in order to win and he can no longer take them for granted. I hope that the Republican platform is a strong one that is well received and recognized by both men and women.

God, Rory, it must pain you to write this stuff. You would make a good lawyer though seeing as how can argue both sides of an issue. You do make an admirable effort.

 

[TexasWife25]

I think the GOP can get back, at least some of the female supporters, but they need to do what they promised, and focus on jobs, and not womens reproductive rights.

 

[bronzeage]

In the 2010 midterms, the dems got less that 50% of women's vote for the first time in many years - and got trounced in the elections. In last year's "approval" polls, dems got even lower rankings with women. It was thought that some of the defection away from the democrats was the worry that the disasterous democrat economic plan and growing deficit was going to cause problems for families (for future families), children and grandchildren.

Many voters voted for Romney because of his "electability" largely because of his appeal to independents and women. That support has been waning lately and time will tell if it's a temporary change or a permanent one.

Obama recognizes this which is why he's running this program for women...he needs their votes in order to win and he can no longer take them for granted. It's also why they "spun" their effort to force religious organizations to provide free contraceptives into a media-driven "war on women" by the Republicans. I can only hope that most women are smart enough to recognize this continued opportunistic spin and deception by the dems and see that their policies are poison for the country in the long run.

I hope that the Republican platform is a strong one that is well received and recognized as such by both men and women.

If Obama can make it to the election without punching his wife in the face on camera, or selling one of his daughters to a Saudi Arabian Sheikh, he has the woman vote sewed up. The problem with the GOP strategy is that they were so used to dealing with GOP wives, they thought all women were that stupid.

 

[JMohegan]

In the 2010 midterms, the dems got less that 50% of women's vote for the first time in many years - and got trounced in the elections. In last year's "approval" polls, dems got even lower rankings with women. It was thought that some of the defection away from the democrats was the worry that the disasterous democrat economic plan and growing deficit was going to cause problems for families; children and grandchildren.

Many voters voted for Romney because of his "electability" largely because of his appeal to independents and women. That support has been waning lately and time will tell if it's a temporary change or a permanent one.

Obama recognizes this which is why he's running this program for women...he needs their votes in order to win and he can no longer take them for granted. It's also why they "spun" their effort to force religious organizations to provide free contraceptives into a media-driven "war on women" by the Republicans. I can only hope that most women are smart enough to recognize this continued opportunistic spin and deception by the dems and see that their policies are poison for the country in the long run.

I hope that the Republican platform is a strong one that is well received and recognized as such by both men and women.

Media driven? Nope. This Republican wound is self-inflicted.

The latest -
http://rt.com/usa/news/arizona-bill-conception-abortion-387/

Jesus fucking christ.

 

[TexasWife25]

Media driven? Nope. This Republican wound is self-inflicted.

The latest -
http://rt.com/usa/news/arizona-bill-conception-abortion-387/

Jesus fucking christ.

The republicans nationwide, have purposed more anti-abortion bills since 2010 then there were in the 6 previous years combined.

But then, some people dont consider anti-abortion bills to be a womens health issue

 

[JMohegan]

If Obama can make it to the election without punching his wife in the face on camera, or selling one of his daughters to a Saudi Arabian Sheikh, he has the woman vote sewed up. The problem with the GOP strategy is that they were so used to dealing with GOP wives, they thought all women were that stupid.

Who knew the notion of forced vaginal probing could engender so much negative female attention?

 

[JMohegan]

The republicans nationwide, have purposed more anti-abortion bills since 2010 then there were in the 6 previous years combined.

But then, some people dont consider anti-abortion bills to be a womens health issue

And they're still at it!

Mitt Romney needs to have a major Sister Souljah moment, or he'll pay for the extremism of republican legislatures come November. Even if he spends ever waking moment focusing on jobs, he won't be able to escape the damage done unless he's got the balls to face this head on.

 

[badbabysitter]

Planned Parenthood is a vile, evil organization that leeches off taxpayers as a way to get around the Hyde amendment.

If by "leeches off taxpayers" you actually meant " has over 700 THOUSAND private donors and none of it's taxpayer money going toward abortions , and the taxpayer money goes toward health, education and birth control you know the very things you railed about in your rant about libs not caring about skyrocketing birth rates"........

then yes... it's " evil"


seriously, do you ever think?

 

[pornstarwannabe]

If by "leeches off taxpayers" you actually meant " has over 700 THOUSAND private donors and none of it's taxpayer money going toward abortions

Incorrect. the money is fungible.

 

[badbabysitter]

Incorrect. the money is fungible.

keep your fungi to yourself


http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...a-republican-says-abortions-make-37-percent-/

Republican attacks on Planned Parenthood have filtered down from Washington to Tallahassee, where a GOP state legislator is accusing the not-for-profit group of operating a business plan that relies on abortions.

State Rep. Ronald Renuart, an osteopathic physician from Ponte Vedra Beach, says Planned Parenthood opposes several anti-abortion measures being considered by the Florida Legislature because Planned Parenthood needs to perform abortions in order to stay in business. During an April 20, 2011, meeting of the Health and Human Services Committee, Renuart let Stephanie Kunkel, executive director of the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, have it.

"In 2008, Planned Parenthood, they put out a report, and it showed that they did 305,000 abortions and the average cost was $450," Renuart said (about 47 minutes into this video). "Their total income for Planned Parenthood alone was $374 million, of that $137 million was actually for abortions. So that's almost 37 percent of the total income from Planned Parenthood is from abortions. And to me, it sounds like they don't want to lose business."

Kunkel, standing at a lectern where audience members can address the committee, later said Renuart was mistaken. "Mr. Renuart, 97 percent of the services that Planned Parenthood provides currently in Florida is prevention and education," she said.

But Renuart stood his ground.

"What I was quoting was a 2008 Planned Parenthood report," Renuart said. "That comes from Planned Parenthood mobile on my Blackberry here. Now are you claiming that, nationally, your organization is misrepresenting statistics and sending out false reports?"

We wanted to check out Renuart's bottom line -- that almost 37 percent of the total income from Planned Parenthood comes from abortions.

To set the stage, though, we need to explain the difference between what Renuart and Kunkel were talking about. Because they are not the same thing. Kunkel was referencing the services that Planned Parenthood provides, and she's right that abortions make up only 3 percent of the total number of procedures or services the group provides. (That's the figure that got Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl in trouble when he claimed -- incorrectly -- that over 90 percent of what Planned Parenthood does is abortions).

But Renuart is talking about revenue, not the number of services or procedures performed by Planned Parenthood.

And because different services or procedures cost different amounts, it's easily possible that abortions could generate more than 3 percent of Planned Parenthood's revenues. Therefore, it's possible that both claims could be correct.

We contacted Renuart's office to see where he got his information but did not hear back. After some research, however, we are fairly certain we tracked down Renuart's sources.

Planned Parenthood releases an annual report each year detailing its activities. The 2008 report is online, and several of the numbers Renuart cited match the report.

In its 2007-08 report, Planned Parenthood said it performed 305,310 abortions in 2007 and that its health center reported total revenues of $374.7 million. Those numbers line up with what Renuart said.

But Renuart's other numbers -- that the average cost of an abortion is $450 and that abortions generated $137 million -- are not in the report.

Those figures came from pro-life bloggers, who have been making a claim similar to Renuart's for more than a year.

We found the information from a blog called Live Action.

The blog said the average cost of an abortion is $450 "based on what Planned Parenthood across the country has told Live Action staff. Although it is slightly higher or lower depending on what part of the country it is." Planned Parenthood's web site offers a range of costs for abortions -- which could include the procedure or the taking of a pill. The procedure costs about $350–$950 in the first trimester, Planned Parenthood says. The cost for what Planned Parenthood calls a "medication abortion" ranges from $350 to $650.

So using $450 is reasonable.

From there, Live Action does simple math.

First, Live Action multiplies the number of abortions (305,310) by what it says is the average cost of an abortion ($450) to reach a figure for the total revenue generated by abortions ($137.4 million).

Then they take the total revenue generated by abortions ($137.4 million) and divide it by the total revenue generated by the health center ($374.7 million), and conclude that 36.7 percent of Planned Parenthood's health center revenue comes from abortion.

So Renuart's right?

Not really.

What blogs like Live Action specify, and Renuart doesn't, is that they are talking only about health center revenue. That makes up only about 36 percent of all revenue for Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood had $1.04 billion in total revenues in 2007-08, according to the group's annual report. Other revenue came from government grants ($350 million), private contributions ($250 million) and other sources ($69 million).

So abortion procedures could generate 37 percent of Planned Parenthood's health center revenue -- but mind you, that's an estimate created by pro-life groups because the organization doesn't release that figure. If true, that's still only 13 percent of the total revenue generated by Planned Parenthood.

Renuart didn't make that distinction in his comments during the House committee meeting. He presented his figures and claimed that "almost 37 percent of the total income from Planned Parenthood is from abortions."

Renuart should have been more cautious with his words. We rate this statement False.

 

[badbabysitter]

part 2 of the mushroom war

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/stat...ight-life-says-millions-federal-aid-went-sta/


Ohio and several other states across the country this year have passed laws to restrict abortion rights, including legislation to defund Planned Parenthood, a nonprofit organization that provides health care services, including abortions.

Ohio lawmakers, who already have passed a late-term abortion ban and other anti-abortion measures this year, have just begun hearings on Senate Bill 201, which is designed to defund Planned Parenthood and other family planning centers.

The day before the first Senate hearing on SB 201, Ohio Right to Life, an anti-abortion group, promoted the proposed law as a key component of its agenda.

"Ohio’s Planned Parenthood operations received millions of taxpayer dollars via federal grants in 2010 and 2011," a Dec. 5 news release from Ohio Right to Life said.

Ohio Right to Life went on to say that Planned Parenthood has performed more abortions annually as its federal funding has increased. It lauds the bill as one that will direct funding away from abortion providers and calls the hearings on the bill a step toward making 2012 a "groundbreaking year for Ohio's pro-life movement."

PolitiFact Ohio decided to examine Ohio Right to Life’s claim about public funding of Planned Parenthood, in light of its underlying contention that the funding of the agency supports abortion.

We asked Michael Gonidakis, executive director for Ohio Right to Life, for specifics on the taxpayer money Planned Parenthood has received. Gonidakis said state agencies disbursed the federal grants, authorizing more than $1.6 million in 2010 to Planned Parenthood locations in Ohio and more than $1.7 million this year.

He also provided a memo the nonpartisan Ohio Legislative Service Commission prepared detailing state agencies’ disbursement of federal grants to Planned Parenthood branches in Ohio. LSC compiled the information for Rep. Kristina Roegner, a Republican from Hudson who is a primary sponsor on companion legislation introduced in the House to defund Planned Parenthood. Roegner’s office confirmed the memo’s authenticity.

Tara Broderick, president and chief executive officer of Planned Parenthood of Northeast Ohio, said the organization does receive federal grant money. But none of that money pays for abortions, she said.

"A huge myth," Broderick said. "Absolutely I can say taxpayer money is not used for abortion services," she said.

Planned Parenthood must sign an agreement affirming it will not use taxpayer money to provide, promote or refer abortion services, said a spokeswoman for the Ohio Department of Health, which distributes the bulk of federal grant money that Planned Parenthood receives. Additionally, an audit is performed to account for the organization’s use of government dollars, Broderick said.

According to Planned Parenthood, the vast majority of its clients receive health care services such as Pap tests, birth control and treatment for sexually transmitted diseases. Less than 4 percent of Ohio Planned Parenthood clients received an abortion, the organization stated.

Nationally, Planned Parenthood performed 332,278 abortion procedures in 2009, the most recent year data was available. Those procedures made up 3 percent of the organization’s services, according to a Planned Parenthood fact sheet that was last updated in October.

Gonidakis, of Ohio Right to Life, acknowledged that the federal Hyde Amendment and state law prohibits tax dollars for paying for abortions.

"However, the significant public dollars Planned Parenthood does receive keeps them afloat and pays for pretty much their entire operations," he said in an e-mail.

Not true, said Broderick, of Planned Parenthood of Northeast Ohio. She said the federal dollars make up 16 percent of the branch’s budget.

So where does that leave us?

Ohio Right to Life is correct to say that Planned Parenthood locations in Ohio have received millions in federal grants. But the connection between Planned Parenthood’s federal funding and its abortion services is not as direct as Ohio Right to Life’s news release implies.

Federal law bars Planned Parenthood from using taxpayer money for abortions, and the agency must certify to the state that it does not do so. The money that would be redirected by S.B. 201 is used to provide other health services.

Ohio Right to Life’s claim about funding for Planned Parenthood is accurate.

That the money cannot be used for abortions and that abortion procedures make up a small percentage of Planned Parenthood services are additional pieces of information that provide the full picture.

We rate the statement Mostly True.

 

[KingOrfeo]

WASHINGTON — President Obama tried to burnish his credentials with a crucial group of voters Friday, saying his administration would do more forwomen's health and economic status than his Republican opponents.

. . . is neither "wedge issue politics" nor "evil." What's more:

Although they may not vote as a bloc, women are viewed as critical to determining who will occupy the White House next year. Polls show Democrats have recently gained back ground lost with women in 2010, in part by casting Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood and block federal support for contraception as a "war on women."

It's a smart, winning approach.

 

[renard_ruse]

I actually talk to a woman, every once in a while. They are mad, really f**king mad. The Republicans have f**ked up bad and there is no way to recover.

Call them anything you want, spin it anyway you want. Most women are not going to vote for any GOP presidential candidate. That's how bad it is. There is not actually a "woman group", but the GOP has managed to create one.

Congratulations. Now go call someone a slut on a nationally broadcast radio show.

Dream on, dork. We won in 2004 because of the votes of conservative, married women. Bush wouldn't have had a second term without that.

Secondly, talking to one person who happens to be a woman or in your case probably a tranny represents absolutely ZERO, ZILTCH, NADA.

Thirdly, I've heard the word "slut" on primetime TV at least a dozen times since the horrible outrage of contrived indignation reigned down on Mr. Limbaugh (and I really don't even watch much TV). The term is a common term for a sexually promiscious female. Note, that, not a term for a female, period, but specifically for a sexually promiscious female just as "womanizer" is a term for a sexually promiscious male. So, 1. the term is a common everyday term that is widely used in entertainment and everywhere else, and generally isn't even considered offensive by most people, and 2. it doesn't refer to all females generally but is a reference to sexual promiscuity, just as womanizer does for a man. In fact, to not distinguish between sexually promiscious people (regardless of sex) is unfair to the non-sexually promiscious. Sorry attempt to "get" Limbaugh which didn't work. I suggest Media Matters try going after him for using the word "the" next time, it might be more effective.

 

[renard_ruse]

I've personally have sent $400 to the RNC since this evil, vile strategy started. I read that donations to the Republicans are up through the roof since then too after being in the doldrums for a long time. I wasn't even going to send money at all this year but this has made me so mad. I'll be sending more soon.

Shame on this evil wedge politics.

 

[renard_ruse]

If by "leeches off taxpayers" you actually meant " has over 700 THOUSAND private donors and none of it's taxpayer money going toward abortions...,

As my FEMALE (and Planned Parenthood hating) mother pointed out, the money they get from the government for non-abortion services frees up other money for the abortions.

Seriously, do you ever think?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Which still doesn't change the fact that they are good and necessary group and it'll be a shame if even a cent is taken away from them. They prevent more disead and pregnancies than they aid with abortions and you're gonna get a lot more unwanted pregnancies and more poverty if you strike it down.