I am prejudiced .....

[Joeybagadonuts]

I get addicted to just about anything that feels good. I've also beaten any addiction I had with willpower. The difference with food is that you can't abstain from food and therefore have to learn to moderate.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

Did you mean "admiration" or "agitation"?

Admiration. You're the one agitating now.

 

[butters]

My Three Sons?

i don't get the reference.

And they spent a lot of time with Uncle Charlie playing "find the change in my pocket."

don't judge everyone by your own experiences.

Halitosis, irritating voices/laughs and body odour don't cost the health systems of the world billions. If you find me shallow and small minded I'm not surprised, that is often the reaction when one voices a frank opinion that many others hold but can't or won't put voice to.

as do smoking, drinking to excess, drug-taking, sports injuries, accidents in the workplace, car wrecks... and so on, and so on, and so on. most involve poor judgement and/or choices. i certainly find your apparent attitude on this topic small-minded, but each to their own. i'm sure i hold opinions that you'd find equally bizarre. at least you are honest enough to put yourself 'out there' in full view; i don't doubt plenty share your view but, for pc-ness rather than any real interest in not hurting the feelings of the seriously overweight, keep quiet on public forums in case they are judged by their peers and found wanting. so, while i am surprised and disappointed about your attitude, i am enough of a realist to know there's plenty of it around.

that doesn't mean diet doesn't work.
that means people look for magic wands, short cuts, easy ways out.
the reason people aren't losing weight is because salad is boring.

people are free to eat whatever they like. doesn't bother me.
but pretty much everyone would lose weight if they burned up more than they took in. going back to crappy eating afterwards will, no shit, mean the weight piles on again.

the whole point with cutting calories drastically, the crux of many diets of latter-day, means that your body understands calories are at a premium and shuts down, conserving and storing everyone it can lay hold of in 'starvation mode'. then, after a few weeks of dieting and a more normal eating regime resumes, the fat piles on again as calories are stored against future famine. this was the whole reason yo-yo dieting didn't work. as many here have already said, it's about changing lifestyle - and for some of us that doesn't mean eating less, but more often; differently; with more intelligent choices if they can be afforded.

what i'm trying to say here, dolf, is that it doesn't have to be a return to 'crappy eating' that piles on the pounds.

I like this smooth segue from

"A fat person's sweaty arms pressed against me on the elevator today as he/she wheezed her elephantine body out the door and he/she was smelly like four-day-old fish and OH GAWD THEY'RE SO DISGUSTING!!! Don't you agree? Whadda you think?"

to

"Excellent discussion and concourse on an important and sensitive issue, folks. Thanks for everyone's participation!"

ahhh, human beings...we're all just a big-ass barrel of goal post-shifting incongruities, ain't we?

quite a step across the parallel world's borders, yeah...

 

[blunt_trauma]

the whole point with cutting calories drastically, the crux of many diets of latter-day, means that your body understands calories are at a premium and shuts down, conserving and storing everyone it can lay hold of in 'starvation mode'. then, after a few weeks of dieting and a more normal eating regime resumes, the fat piles on again as calories are stored against future famine. this was the whole reason yo-yo dieting didn't work. as many here have already said, it's about changing lifestyle - and for some of us that doesn't mean eating less, but more often; differently; with more intelligent choices if they can be afforded.

what i'm trying to say here, dolf, is that it doesn't have to be a return to 'crappy eating' that piles on the pounds.

chuppy, where did i advocate faddy, starvation diets?
i said you take in less than you burn. because that's what works.
and if, once you hit that target weight, people go back to eating more than they burn then it goes right back on.
if you can boost your metabolism to burn faster, just by eating more often, then that fits with what i said.

i'm fully aware of how famine responses work, thank you.
i think all but the most moronic are.

 

[Peregrinator]

Make a graph.

Vertical axis is weight.

Horizontal axis is time.

Mark your starting weight at "zero hour."

Mark your target weight and time. Ten pounds less three weeks from now, whatever. Draw a line from present to target.

Every meal, weigh yourself first. Mark that on the graph. If that point is above the line, you may not eat that meal. If that point is below the line, eat whatever you want.

Note that the further away you mark the target, the easier it is to achieve. Note also that anything you can do to lose weight in between meals will make you more likely to be "allowed" to eat that time, though eating too much means you probably have to skip the next meal.

 

[unregistered]

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

Great new diet just came out this week. It's absofuckinglutely amazing.


It is a three word one step diet.


Control your eating.




It's way too easy to work though.


Oh well, what else is out there?

*Whiney voice* ....but it's too haaaard.

 

[blunt_trauma]

*Whiney voice* ....but it's too haaaard.

it's hard.

i don't object to people saying it's hard.
i do object to the whinyarsed pityfest which assumes none of the rest of us have ever had to deal with weight issues.

getting over anorexia was hard.
losing baby-weight was hard.
keeping my weight down when i was on meds was hard.
maintaining a stable weight now that my rhythmless heart rules out cardio exercise is hard.

lots of people deal with hard.

 

[Peregrinator]

it's hard.

i don't object to people saying it's hard.
i do object to the whinyarsed pityfest which assumes none of the rest of us have ever had to deal with weight issues.

getting over anorexia was hard.
losing baby-weight was hard.
keeping my weight down when i was on meds was hard.
maintaining a stable weight now that my rhythmless heart rules out cardio exercise is hard.

lots of people deal with hard.

Not to put too fine a point on what is otherwise an excellent post, but your heart most certainly has some sort of rhythm. "Rhythmless" would mean "dead," in lay terms.

Wait, you do in fact have a heart, right?

 

[blunt_trauma]

Not to put too fine a point on what is otherwise an excellent post, but your heart most certainly has some sort of rhythm. "Rhythmless" would mean "dead," in lay terms.

Wait, you do in fact have a heart, right?

nobody was more surprised than me when the scan showed it there, large as life, beating away inside me.

sometimes i think it's dune heart, trying not to attract the worm.

 

[Beco]

I've never been to a McDonalds or any burger joint.

You're really missing out!

 

[Beco]

i don't get the reference.

My Three Sons was a TV show from back in the late 60's I think, or 70's....nevermind....I'm old

 

[Fuckette]

*Whiney voice* ....but it's too haaaard.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KaT9ZCtZp6w/TVnr1Q_Ky0I/AAAAAAAATB4/Xnz5seV8N1w/s1600/bk-drive-thru-scooter4.jpg

 

[ruminator]

fascinating thread.

I have nothing to add but it's been a helluva read.

 

[DevilishTexan]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KaT9ZCtZp6w/TVnr1Q_Ky0I/AAAAAAAATB4/Xnz5seV8N1w/s1600/bk-drive-thru-scooter4.jpg

When it gets to that point....naaah we're not an enabling society. Gee you've eaten so much your ankles can't support your weight so let's get you a bumper car.

Reminds me of those damn kiddie car baskets that take up the entire aisle so some parent can keep their brat from pitching a fit. BULLSHIT!

In my day you had the cars OUTSIDE the store and if mom didn't have a quarter you were shit out of luck.

 

[Holly Delight]

Ellie, sometimes it is what it is...

Everyone who is on the defensive here is that way because they have not decided to change how they are living life and have either given up, or in some odd way, are enjoying the state they are in.

If you enjoy it, so be it - your choice. But know that you are judged by that choice and others you make in this life.

If you have given up, I hope you find your spark to change your fitness and nutrition plans. It takes time to educate yourself, it doesn't happen overnight, but it is well worth the effort.

 

[redheadedtxn]

it's hard.

i don't object to people saying it's hard.
i do object to the whinyarsed pityfest which assumes none of the rest of us have ever had to deal with weight issues.

getting over anorexia was hard.
losing baby-weight was hard.
keeping my weight down when i was on meds was hard.
maintaining a stable weight now that my rhythmless heart rules out cardio exercise is hard.

lots of people deal with hard.

It was hard to start running. My knees and feet cried out against the torture I put them thru for at least 3 weeks. My body did NOT wanna get up an extra half-hour early to make sure I got exercise in.

It's still hard some days. I'd rather have that extra 30 mins sleep. It's hard to lose that last 25-30 pounds. I love my beer and pasta. I'm happy where I am, though. I feel amazing since I started running a year ago.

It's worth the hard. Truly. I can get out of bed in the morning and not hurt. I can walk around downtown and not get out of breath.

Hard, but worth it.

 

[pink]

Life is hard, nothing comes easy. Some people take on the challenge of weight loss, some just simply cannot look it in the face. Gaining weight has taught me many lessons, losing weight has taught me lessons too. I am simply the best person I can be and nothing more, fat or thin.

 

[redheadedtxn]

Life is hard, nothing comes easy. Some people take on the challenge of weight loss, some just simply cannot look it in the face. Gaining weight has taught me many lessons, losing weight has taught me lessons too. I am simply the best person I can be and nothing more, fat or thin.

and at the end of the day, that is what matters my friend

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Everyone who is on the defensive here is that way because they have not decided to change how they are living life and have either given up, or in some odd way, are enjoying the state they are in.

I think the so-called "advice" could've been offered up in a different way as to make people not feel that they needed to be defensive. Nobody needs to feel as if they are disgusting or to justify the validity and beauty of their existence in their body or their right to sexuality in their body to people who are supposedly more "acceptable" or "normal" because someone had a bad day stuck in an elevator or a grocery store queue and felt the need to vent against "their kind."

 

[pornstarwannabe]

My question is to you, What do you get from posting threads about groups who are already maligned? Do you enjoy simply enjoy jumping on the bandwagon because you need approval or do you get some special feelings from putting people down?

I got nothing from it. Well, I take that back. I was honest in my assessment of the poor. It was not a post meant only to shock some. But I sometimes like to post controversial topics just to see GBers slam my beliefs, and then turn it around and show how at least one of those GBers has the same beliefs, albeit perhaps directed at a different target.

I lived amongst the poor. Not just the poor that were once middle class and hit hard times. I am talking about the "poor"... those lazy, good for nothing, baby making, dope dealing, food stamp selling, beer drinking, welfare check receiving, not helping their kids-a-studying, HS dropouts!!

I hate double standards, and many here have them. Anytime I can illustrate that, then it's a good day for PSW.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Everyone who is on the defensive here is that way because they have not decided to change how they are living life and have either given up, or in some odd way, are enjoying the state they are in.

If you enjoy it, so be it - your choice. But know that you are judged by that choice and others you make in this life.

If you have given up, I hope you find your spark to change your fitness and nutrition plans. It takes time to educate yourself, it doesn't happen overnight, but it is well worth the effort.

some of us don't pass judgment on the bad choices made by others.

 

[Holly Delight]

She ^ can sit beside me !!!

I think about five of her can sit beside you!

Razzing on the skinnies is ok then?

 

[redheadedtxn]

My guess would be that insults don't drive change; edification and encouragement does.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Razzing on the skinnies is ok then?

Of course not. But if fat-bashing is okay under the beard of some pseudo-altruistic endeavor to give "advice", then let's be fair and balanced, eh?