I am prejudiced .....

[vrosej10]

....against obese people because they have no excuse - no glands, no genes, just greed and laziness. Say what you will, life-style has a lot to do with it, hours lounging in front of the TV with bowls of carbs and fast food crap.

Village on a Diet proved that years of bad habits can be broken and replaced by healthy ones.

If you disagree bite me, you know i'm right.

You are an idiot at best and a bigot at worst. If dieting actually worked every woman in the US would be as slim as she liked. An outburst like this against an already maligned group is cowardly.

 

[1hotbabe]

It is times like these I miss E_S or shrimps.

They were better at this.

 

[blunt_trauma]

If dieting actually worked every woman in the US would be as slim as she liked.

that was another of those really dumb statements.

 

[vrosej10]

that was another of those really dumb statements.

There's some truth in it. People in western countries spend more time than ever on diets yet as a whole we are getting fatter. The one thing diets do teach is eating disorder style behaviours, feast or famine approaches. Long term behavioural change is out of the reach of most people. It's fine in theory but it doesn't really work. In the short term most peole will lose weight on a diet but by five years most people have regained the wieght and a could chunk fo them will be fatter than when they started.

 

[blunt_trauma]

There's some truth in it. People in western countries spend more time than ever on diets yet as a whole we are getting fatter. The one thing diets do teach is eating disorder style behaviours, feast or famine approaches. Long term behavioural change is out of the reach of most people. It's fine in theory but it doesn't really work. In the short term most peole will lose weight on a diet but by five years most people have regained the wieght and a could chunk fo them will be fatter than when they started.

that doesn't mean diet doesn't work.
that means people look for magic wands, short cuts, easy ways out.
the reason people aren't losing weight is because salad is boring.

people are free to eat whatever they like. doesn't bother me.
but pretty much everyone would lose weight if they burned up more than they took in. going back to crappy eating afterwards will, no shit, mean the weight piles on again.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

You are an idiot at best and a bigot at worst. If dieting actually worked every woman in the US would be as slim as she liked. An outburst like this against an already maligned group is cowardly.

DIET doesn't work, you're statement agrees with that. LIFE STYLE CHANGE does.
What "outburst", if you want "outburst" look at YOUR "outburst" above, - "idiot". "bigot" and "coward" all smack of "outburst" to me.

They were better at this.

Few can aspire to the heights they reached.

 

[Wok]

They were better at this.

They were brutal, no doubt.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

that doesn't mean diet doesn't work.
that means people look for magic wands, short cuts, easy ways out.
the reason people aren't losing weight is because salad is boring.

people are free to eat whatever they like. doesn't bother me.
but pretty much everyone would lose weight if they burned up more than they took in.

EXACTLY!!!!

 

[great lover]

um.. what?

 

[vrosej10]

that doesn't mean diet doesn't work.
that means people look for magic wands, short cuts, easy ways out.
the reason people aren't losing weight is because salad is boring.

people are free to eat whatever they like. doesn't bother me.
but pretty much everyone would lose weight if they burned up more than they took in. going back to crappy eating afterwards will, no shit, mean the weight piles on again.

There is truth in that but it in practice most people find this nigh on impossible to maintain. My biggest problem with this thread is that the OP is jumping on the bandwagon to abuse a group that already get buckets of shit thrown at them.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

Long term behavioural change is out of the reach of most people. It's fine in theory but it doesn't really work.

You just slammed me in my "Prejudice... Poor" thread for making generalizations (and I responded). And here you are making generalizations.

 

[vrosej10]

DIET doesn't work, you're statement agrees with that. LIFE STYLE CHANGE does.
What "outburst", if you want "outburst" look at YOUR "outburst" above, - "idiot". "bigot" and "coward" all smack of "outburst" to me.

Does it make posting this thread make you feel better about yourself? What do you think it is going to achieve except increasing hatred?

'But why do the rest of us care so much? What is it about fat people that makes us so mad? As it turns out, we kind of like it. "People actually enjoy feeling angry," says Ryan Martin, associate professor of psychology at the University of Wisconsin, Green Bay, who cites studies done on people's emotions. "It makes them feel powerful, it makes them feel greater control, and they appreciate it for that reason." And with fat people designated as acceptable targets of rage—and with the prevalence of fat people in our lives, both in the malls and on the news—it's easy to find a target for some soul-clearing, ego-boosting ranting.'

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/08/25/america-s-war-on-the-overweight.html

I think the above sums your attitude up nicely.

 

[vrosej10]

You just slammed me in my "Prejudice... Poor" thread for making generalizations (and I responded). And here you are making generalizations.

Not a generalisation. I qualified it. I said most not all.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

Not a generalisation. I qualified it. I said most not all.

Fair enough. In my OP, I said the same thing (although I used the words High Probability).

So I accept your retraction.

 

[vrosej10]

Fair enough. In my OP, I said the same thing (although I used the words High Probability).

So I accept your retraction.

My question is to you, What do you get from posting threads about groups who are already maligned? Do you enjoy simply enjoy jumping on the bandwagon because you need approval or do you get some special feelings from putting people down?

 

[blunt_trauma]

There is truth in that but it in practice most people find this nigh on impossible to maintain. My biggest problem with this thread is that the OP is jumping on the bandwagon to abuse a group that already get buckets of shit thrown at them.

which is due to will power.
you can't reinvent science and make up facts just because the OP is being a bit of an arse.
it doesn't help people to kick them. but it's just as harmful to tell them they're the powerless victims of their bodies. they're not. cancer sufferers are. obese people are, with very few exceptions, not. it's not empowering to paint them as you do. it's disempowering.

if you really want to help, be straight. it's bloody hard work, it might not be fun, but they CAN lose weight if they want to... but they don't have to if they're happy how they are.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

Does it make posting this thread make you feel better about yourself? What do you think it is going to achieve except increasing hatred?

'But why do the rest of us care so much? What is it about fat people that makes us so mad? As it turns out, we kind of like it. "People actually enjoy feeling angry," says Ryan Martin, associate professor of psychology at the University of Wisconsin, Green Bay, who cites studies done on people's emotions. "It makes them feel powerful, it makes them feel greater control, and they appreciate it for that reason." And with fat people designated as acceptable targets of rage—and with the prevalence of fat people in our lives, both in the malls and on the news—it's easy to find a target for some soul-clearing, ego-boosting ranting.'

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/08/25/america-s-war-on-the-overweight.html

I think the above sums your attitude up nicely.

Hatred? That's a bit strong.

Let me make things clear to you because YOU'RE the hater here, not me. I am talking about obese people who cost you and me money by their careless and reckless health habits. I am NOT feeling empowered, mad or getting pleasure out of admitting my prejudice. This started out as a parody thread and obviouly sparked discussion from other members.

You have your opinion and I have mine. Goodnight.

 

[Holly Delight]

Meet you in 5 for an Oban...

 

[vrosej10]

which is due to will power.
you can't reinvent science and make up facts just because the OP is being a bit of an arse.
it doesn't help people to kick them. but it's just as harmful to tell them they're the powerless victims of their bodies. they're not. cancer sufferers are. obese people are, with very few exceptions, not. it's not empowering to paint them as you do. it's disempowering.

if you really want to help, be straight. it's bloody hard work, it might not be fun, but they CAN lose weight if they want to... but they don't have to if they're happy how they are.

I am not making up facts. The cure rates for obesity even with surgery are actually lower than for childhood leukemia. I can't help it if this group are way behind on the research.

Here's the flaw in your thinking: will power does not work as a long term strategy. Will power is simply a short term measure. Bullying and tormenting people won't help them change, it simply drives them further into negative behaviour.

 

[vrosej10]

Hatred? That's a bit strong.

Let me make things clear to you because YOU'RE the hater here, not me. I am talking about obese people who cost you and me money by their careless and reckless health habits. I am NOT feeling empowered, mad or getting pleasure out of admitting my prejudice. This started out as a parody thread and obviouly sparked discussion from other members.

You have your opinion and I have mine. Goodnight.

If this was about race, everyone and their dog would be jumping on this.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

If this was about race, everyone and their dog would be jumping on this.

Yes, but it's not.

 

[vrosej10]

Yes, but it's not.

So that makes it ok? It's thinking like that that leads to the situation that kid on you tube was left with. Kicking people who already down, just keeps them down. You aren't helping this problem, you just making it harder for this group to get by.

 

[blunt_trauma]

I am not making up facts. The cure rates for obesity even with surgery are actually lower than for childhood leukemia. I can't help it if this group are way behind on the research.

Here's the flaw in your thinking: will power does not work as a long term strategy. Will power is simply a short term measure. Bullying and tormenting people won't help them change, it simply drives them further into negative behaviour.

except that i already said her way was harmful, so please keep to what was said by me, and not start making that up too.

'cure rates'
it's not like cancer, beyond your control.
people relapse, not because they are powerless against the evil fat monster, but because it's in their nature to slip back into unhealthy ways. they don't keep it up. will power.
my house is untidy. it's not because i struggle with some terrible disease that's beyond my control. it's because i fucking hate housework and i'm therefore lazy about doing it.
there's no 'cure rate' for this. i either accept my clutter or call upon my will power.

is it easy to completely change the way you eat, the way you exercise, and stick with those changes forever? hell no! but that doesn't mean that it can't be done by those people. it just means that it hasn't been done by those people.

it's a choice.

 

[vrosej10]

except that i already said her way was harmful, so please keep to what was said by me, and not start making that up too.

'cure rates'
it's not like cancer, beyond your control.
people relapse, not because they are powerless against the evil fat monster, but because it's in their nature to slip back into unhealthy ways. they don't keep it up. will power.
my house is untidy. it's not because i struggle with some terrible disease that's beyond my control. it's because i fucking hate housework and i'm therefore lazy about doing it.
there's no 'cure rate' for this. i either accept my clutter or call upon my will power.

is it easy to completely change the way you eat, the way you exercise, and stick with those changes forever? hell no! but that doesn't mean that it can't be done by those people. it just means that it hasn't been done by those people.

it's a choice.

Obesity is considered a disease, so yes it does have cure rate.

But the deck is stacked against people trying to maintain weight loss. Empty fat cells actually secrete an appetite stimulant. Do some reading into bariatrics, which I have done; this situation is nowhere near as clear cut as people would like to believe. People like to believe it is all about failure of the part of the overweight person when it is far more complicated than that. What would you say to my brother in law who cannot walk after a severe motorcycle accident and needs to lose weight. He is already on appetite suppressants and barely eats but is not losing weight?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

My question is to you, What do you get from posting threads about groups who are already maligned? Do you enjoy simply enjoy jumping on the bandwagon because you need approval or do you get some special feelings from putting people down?

Tristesse2 gets mowed down again on this subject.