RIP Jimmy Carter

[Bn2f]

You'd do better to follow Carter into that good night. That way I'd have to stop pointing out how much of an asshole you are.

Haha!
Tell me - who would your God, Jesus, your Bible tell you to follow? A Christian man as president or a fraudster ascribing to the principles of Christianity in order to be president?

 

[HisArpy]

Yeah, but no. This is what I’ve found so called Christians say to excuse their shitty behavior.

Lol. And here you are repeating it.

In life I call out those who work evil against their fellow man. I may act against them by spurning their company and doing business with their competitors. I may post the truth regarding their behavior and beliefs. And I cannot be punished by either man or the law for doing so.

Upon death, that power is denied to all honorable men.

You're not dead yet so you are fair game. That you cannot stand the heat that results from your friction against mankind, is all on you. My soul (as Mr. MorningStar can attest to his utter chagrin) is unstained by calling out your meritless antics and behavior.

 

[mrno]

Jimmy Carter was a good man. Because he wasn't a "politician" or a Washington insider he didn't succeed as President or get reelected.
That was our loss, not his.

 

[Bn2f]

In life I call out those who work evil against their fellow man. I may act against them by spurning their company and doing business with their competitors. I may post the truth regarding their behavior and beliefs. And I cannot be punished by either man or the law for doing so.

Upon death, that power is denied to all honorable men.

You're not dead yet so you are fair game. That you cannot stand the heat that results from your friction against mankind, is all on you. My soul (as Mr. MorningStar can attest to his utter chagrin) is unstained by calling out your meritless antics and behavior.

When I was a Christian, I operated and carried myself as if there was no ‘may’.
But back then, there was no prosperity gospel. You’re a trumper. My old Christian principles are still far superior to whatever beliefs you claim now.

 

[HisArpy]

Haha!
Tell me - who would your God, Jesus, your Bible tell you to follow? A Christian man as president or a fraudster ascribing to the principles of Christianity in order to be president?

You've got me confused with someone else because I'm not an adherent of the guy with the book sales propaganda program.

 

[Bn2f]

You've got me confused with someone else because I'm not an adherent of the guy with the book sales propaganda program.

Well there really is only one true God and his name is Benjamin, amirite?

 

[Bn2f]

You've got me confused with someone else because I'm not an adherent of the guy with the book sales propaganda program.

Is this what conservatives mean by fungible?

 

[Bn2f]

You've got me confused with someone else because I'm not an adherent of the guy with the book sales propaganda program.

• Luke 22:34: "I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me"

 

[HisArpy]

Well there really is only one true God and his name is Benjamin, amirite?

You keep trying to make this about faith when it's obvious you deny your own humanity in an effort to decry the faith of others regardless of where their faith rests.

Is this what conservatives mean by fungible?

The principles of conservatism aren't reliant upon worship or faith. That you believe so only proves a lack of understanding on your part about mankind or the enduring principles which have allowed man to create greatness.

Luke 22:34: "I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me"

Again, I'm not an adherent of the guy with the book sales propaganda program. Not being a follower, doesn't mean denial of existence.

 

[HisArpy]

When I was a Christian, I operated and carried myself as if there was no ‘may’.
But back then, there was no prosperity gospel. You’re a trumper. My old Christian principles are still far superior to whatever beliefs you claim now.

So says the man who denounces his own past and denies his own faith.

 

[Bn2f]

So says the man who denounces his own past and denies his own faith.

I’ll make it simple.

You’re a trumper.
IDGAF what you say you are afterwards.
You have no principles that are morality based.

 

[Lance_Castro]

So says the man who denounces his own past and denies his own faith.

He posts pictures of little boys, so he must be Catholic.

Lol

 

[HisArpy]

I’ll make it simple.

You’re a trumper.
IDGAF what you say you are afterwards.
You have no principles that are morality based.

Your problems are much larger than mine will ever be. And the punishment for that will be self inflicted and will last throughout your lifetime.

And then some if Mr. MorningStar gets his way.

 

[Bn2f]

He posts pictures of little boys, so he must be Catholic.

Lol

IDK
Where’s the joke here?
Maybe share with the group the context before opening your claptrap.

 

[HisArpy]

He posts pictures of little boys, so he must be Catholic.

Lol

His problem isn't that he is (or supposedly USED to be) Catholic.

It's that he kneels at the feet of a false prophet.

 

[73Seahawks]

Jimmy Carter was a good man. Because he wasn't a "politician" or a Washington insider he didn't succeed as President or get reelected.
That was our loss, not his.

Watched the PBS American Presidents special on Carter last night. It pretty much was quite obvious the DC Establishment did NOT like Carter from the very beginning and the feelings were mutual.

Carter's problem was that he could get away with that as Governor of Georgia, but as President of the United States? Nope.

 

[Bn2f]

Your problems are much larger than mine will ever be. And the punishment for that will be self inflicted and will last throughout your lifetime.

And then some if Mr. MorningStar gets his way.

Ok. I am cool with all that.
But you’re still a shitstain trumper so there’s that.

 

[73Seahawks]

In hindsight, that was no fuckup.

The fuckup in that business happened in 1953.

Considering that Nixon started this SHIT back in 1971 when Taiwan was humiliated and kicked out of the United Nations General Assembly. Now there could've been at least some alternatives in allowing the two rival countries to have seats (see NK and ROK).

 

[73Seahawks]

Not the 1953 incident, there was a 1980? dustup as to whether to allow the deposed Shah to come to the United States for a cancerous spleen treatment. Carter decided it was the Christian thing to do to allow the Shah to come here for surgery.

The Shah travelled here given Carter's permission, but loyalists to the Shah found one of Ayatollah Khomeni's secret police heads having dinner with President Carter's closest friend Hamilton Jordan in Washington. The Shah believed (which turned out to be true years later) that Khomeni was negotiating to have the Shah assassinated on US territory.

The Shah decided to relocate to Panama. He paid a small fortune to get Dr. Michael DeBakey (world's best cardiac surgeon) to remove his cancerous spleen. DeBakey hadn't done a splenectomy in years, fucked up the operation and left a small cancerous piece inside the Shah "by accident" and the Shah died shortly thereafter from infection.

Let's not forget about Torrijos taking great joy in humiliating the deposed Shah at the hospital and giving him the so-called "lecture".

 

[Bn2f]

Meh. I’m comfortable with you two conversing with me the claim of being a pedo. It’s like saying I’m an astronaut or garbage man. Whatever

 

[HisArpy]

Ok. I am cool with all that.
But you’re still a shitstain trumper so there’s that.

Ad hom at it's finest.

 

[Bn2f]

Snowflake

 

[73Seahawks]

No. The first thing Reagan did was release eight million dollars that Iran had in frozen American bank accounts. Minutes later the 52 American hostages in Iran were released.

Everyone suspected a quid pro quo, but nobody knew who arranged the shady deal Attention centered on political hack who became CIA director William Casey. He was rumored to have brokered a deal with the Palestine Liberation Army to delay the hostage release while taking a trip to Madrid, Spain. Congress investigated in 1983 and found no record of William Casey ever being in Madrid, Spain in that period, so they declared there was NO quid pro quo deal as there was no proof.

However, in 1993, Bill Clinton's CIA director Jim Woolsey released a previously classified CIA memo remarking that candidate Ronald Reagan's campaign manager, William Casey, had arrived by airplane the exact date specified in congressional hearings. CIA director William Casey had personally classified information that would have implicated private citizen William Casey in the "October Surprise". Casey had died six years previously.

So everyone figured Casey deliberately brokered a deal with the Iranians to block Jimmy Carter's re-election. I admit I did too, for many years.

There WAS a deal brokered that the Republican party made with the Iranians to prevent release to bolster Reagan's chances, but it was NOT William Casey who negotiated the deal, it was Texas Republican Senator John Connally. Connally wanted desperately to be Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense, and he offered to negotiate the deal with the Iranians in exchange for that.

Connaly had a protege at the time, a rising Texas political star named Ben Barnes (who later had his 15 minutes of fame twisting the arm of a Texas National Guard general to get George H.W. Bush's worthless son "Dubya" a coveted slot in the National Guard during Vietnam. Barnes accompanied Connally on a whirlwind tour of the Middle East, and was in the room when Connally made his offer(s) to all the Middle Eastern leaders to block hostage release until Inauguration Day.

Barnes had a guilty conscious about this so he told the story to a guy who wrote a book about this in 2015. Nobody read the book.

Then when President Jimmy Carter was in the news about entering hospice care two years ago, Barnes decided he had to get the message to Jimmy Carter somehow, so he went to the New York Times, who published a front page account of the negotiations. The Times spoke with Carter repeatedly and independently verified Barnes' account, as Barnes had a stellar record.

Forty three years had passed for the truth to come out, and by 2023 few people remember the 1979 Iranian Hostage Crisis and even fewer cared. One thing the hostage crisis DID do was create the "24 hour news cycle" as ABC began running a program at 11:30 eastern time every single night beginning the day after the hostages were taken: "The Iran Hostage Crisis - America Held Hostage!"....which pounded President Carter night after night as being unable to make a deal.....and then after the hostages were released, it was renamed "Nightline" which launched the career of Ted Koppel and is still running.

Note: Senator Connally never got to be Secretary of Defense or State. He was offered the Secretary of Energy position, but turned it down.

BTW, Reagan was a son-of-a-bitch but I can't fault him for taking the solar panels down. They were balky first-generation panels, and their attachment to the roof of the White House caused water to trickle down into the masonry walls of the third floor (living residence of the First Family) and black mold caused by water damage could have made a serious health hazard.

Connally was NOT a former United States Senator you DUMBASS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Connally

 

[Bn2f]

Let's not forget about Torrijos taking great joy in humiliating the deposed Shah at the hospital and giving him the so-called "lecture".

Great.
How could I have forgotten that a lobbying group existed to reinstate the Shah as monarch of Iran.

 

[73Seahawks]

I shouldn’t be so hard on the young’ns…

Carter faced headwinds from the get go. He didn’t really have a mandate as he had a modest win over Ford. Took over during the highest inflation due the Arab embargo’s in the early 70’s. Add in the above inter-party scuffles, Afghanistan situation, Iranian Hostage crisis, Three Mile Island at home, and the malaise that stagflation and a perceived weakness internationally, the country was ripe for a true leader.

As to the nattering nabobs of negativity above…I’ll say this. President Carter was the worst president of my lifetime. As a president, not as a man. Luckily for him, every democrat since has lowered the bar. Biden now holds the mantle of worst president, not only of my lifetime but ever.

Only Democratic Presidents to have won two full four-year terms in the post-FDR era:
*William Jefferson Clinton (1992, 1996): Never got 50% of the nationwide vote: Won with 43% in 1992 and reelected with 49% in 1996.
*Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., (2008, 2012): Won with 53% in 2008 and reelected with 51% in 2012.