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RIP Jimmy Carter

It makes me laugh that the lead is always "he was a bad President" and then followed up with respect and admiration for the man.

The right can't help themselves.
 
First president I remember, unfortunately. I'm just old enough to have seen what my parents went through with the gas shortage, inflation and of course the Iran hostage crisis.

Not the best president, but a great man and humanitarian right up until the very end.
 
lessOHmo said:
why?

the only GOOD thing about the POS was he gave us Reagan
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Why?

Because you display your sad upbringing and lack of appropriate respect for the deceased minutes after his demise, it is customary to choke back such hypocrisy in such times. Even the felon gave pause and had the humility to speak kindly of the dead.

In words you might understand, it makes you look less like the asshole you show yourself to be in writing under the circumstances.

Understand? If not, that's okay. Just nod like you do and hold your rebuttal out of some semblance of respect.
 
Politruk said:
,,,
When shitbag Reagan came in, first thing he did was take the solar panels off the WH roof -- dick move, even if the panels were only a symbolic gesture.
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No. The first thing Reagan did was release eight million dollars that Iran had in frozen American bank accounts. Minutes later the 52 American hostages in Iran were released.

Everyone suspected a quid pro quo, but nobody knew who arranged the shady deal Attention centered on political hack who became CIA director William Casey. He was rumored to have brokered a deal with the Palestine Liberation Army to delay the hostage release while taking a trip to Madrid, Spain. Congress investigated in 1983 and found no record of William Casey ever being in Madrid, Spain in that period, so they declared there was NO quid pro quo deal as there was no proof.

However, in 1993, Bill Clinton's CIA director Jim Woolsey released a previously classified CIA memo remarking that candidate Ronald Reagan's campaign manager, William Casey, had arrived by airplane the exact date specified in congressional hearings. CIA director William Casey had personally classified information that would have implicated private citizen William Casey in the "October Surprise". Casey had died six years previously.

So everyone figured Casey deliberately brokered a deal with the Iranians to block Jimmy Carter's re-election. I admit I did too, for many years.

There WAS a deal brokered that the Republican party made with the Iranians to prevent release to bolster Reagan's chances, but it was NOT William Casey who negotiated the deal, it was Texas Republican Senator John Connally. Connally wanted desperately to be Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense, and he offered to negotiate the deal with the Iranians in exchange for that.

Connaly had a protege at the time, a rising Texas political star named Ben Barnes (who later had his 15 minutes of fame twisting the arm of a Texas National Guard general to get George H.W. Bush's worthless son "Dubya" a coveted slot in the National Guard during Vietnam. Barnes accompanied Connally on a whirlwind tour of the Middle East, and was in the room when Connally made his offer(s) to all the Middle Eastern leaders to block hostage release until Inauguration Day.

Barnes had a guilty conscious about this so he told the story to a guy who wrote a book about this in 2015. Nobody read the book.

Then when President Jimmy Carter was in the news about entering hospice care two years ago, Barnes decided he had to get the message to Jimmy Carter somehow, so he went to the New York Times, who published a front page account of the negotiations. The Times spoke with Carter repeatedly and independently verified Barnes' account, as Barnes had a stellar record.

Forty three years had passed for the truth to come out, and by 2023 few people remember the 1979 Iranian Hostage Crisis and even fewer cared. One thing the hostage crisis DID do was create the "24 hour news cycle" as ABC began running a program at 11:30 eastern time every single night beginning the day after the hostages were taken: "The Iran Hostage Crisis - America Held Hostage!"....which pounded President Carter night after night as being unable to make a deal.....and then after the hostages were released, it was renamed "Nightline" which launched the career of Ted Koppel and is still running.

Note: Senator Connally never got to be Secretary of Defense or State. He was offered the Secretary of Energy position, but turned it down.

BTW, Reagan was a son-of-a-bitch but I can't fault him for taking the solar panels down. They were balky first-generation panels, and their attachment to the roof of the White House caused water to trickle down into the masonry walls of the third floor (living residence of the First Family) and black mold caused by water damage could have made a serious health hazard.
 
dmallord said:
Why?

Because you display your sad upbringing and lack of appropriate respect for the deceased minutes after his demise, it is customary to choke back such hypocrisy in such times. Even the felon gave pause and had the humility to speak kindly of the dead.

In words you might understand, it makes you look less like the asshole you show yourself to be in writing under the circumstances.

Understand? If not, that's okay. Just nod like you do and hold your rebuttal out of some semblance of respect.
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Hypocrite would be to say he was a good man just cause he died

He was evil

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873502209738260826
 
Politruk said:
"A bad president but a good man" is something nobody will ever say of Trump.
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I thought he was a bad president but have come to see him as a good President. Imagine the Middle East if Egypt and Israel were still at odds and not peace. There are more things he did that in retrospect have made the world a better place today.
 
"I'm not going to dance on Carter's grave"

As they dance on his grave

Do they even know what the saying means?
 
He was right about energy conservation, which in practice includes a bit of voluntary poverty. America was not ready yet for voluntary poverty. The consequences of that decision, the interest on that bill, have been quietly growing for decades. We will have much more than a bit and it won't be voluntary.
 
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