Why I've got a problem with Bush's America...

[woody54]

We do...

Well we laugh at Bush anyway...

And that's a start...

ppman

You are soooo right. Mind you its easier to look in from afar than to live with that constant blast of patriotic propaganda leading the populace where the politicians want to go.

Says something about what bullshit the modern concept of democracy really is. You get a vote but for what?? A bunch of puppets and arselickers put up by the invisible backroom boys who really control things.

 

[p_p_man]

Says something about what bullshit the modern concept of democracy really is. You get a vote but for what?? A bunch of puppets and arselickers put up by the invisible backroom boys who really control things.

The same in the UK.

In the end it comes down to which national leader is less incompetent than the others...

In politics it's not the most able who get the job...

ppman

 

[metal_minx]

I have never identified myself as a slave until Bush.

It has to do with him not being elected by the majority.
It has to do with his ignoring the people of the country he is suppose to lead.

I am sure that I have always been a slave. I just have never felt the need to pull against my bonds the way I do now.

I agree with this statement. The only good thing Bush has done is show what a corrupted, rotting corpse of a country we have become.

 

[woody54]

I agree with this statement. The only good thing Bush has done is show what a corrupted, rotting corpse of a country we have become.

Run, get out of the house now. The NSA's black SUV's are pulling into your street as we talk.

In these desperate times, you must be a terrorist. Was your mother Arab?

 

[grrrly]

Run, get out of the house now. The NSA's black SUV's are pulling into your street as we talk.

In these desperate times, you must be a terrorist. Was your mother Arab?

and if she is? i'm half armenian, i get shit from stupid rednecks...just like the one running our country

 

[woody54]

and if she is? i'm half armenian, i get shit from stupid rednecks...just like the one running our country

See!!....... I'm trying to tell you all you high risk citizens are under scrutiny. These times bring out the rabid racialism in the ruling classes.

 

[jodarby]

How Did

The war on terrorism turn into the war on Iraq? Afghanistan hd some legitimacy in it because all leads on the attacks September 11 led to that country and Osama. A country can't launch attacks like that and then shelter the killers so brazenly.

Should the heel of a boot be put on Saddam's throat? Yes, by all means. But should a war be started just to remove him from power? Yikes. How long does the U.S. want to keep thousands of troops in the region. They would have to occupy the area for years before anything they set up as an alternative would work.

And if Iraq warrants an attack, then why not North Korea? I'll tell you why. It's because it would take a lot more than 150,000 troops to do the job. The first Gulf War was fought by 700,000 troops. That isn't even close to what North Korea could pour over the border. And if all else failed, they could use the three or four nuclear bombs they've already made.

And the fiddling continues in Washington while the economy is circling the drain.

 

[Lost Cause]

"Redneck?" "Dumb?"

Reading the posts on this thread reminds me of a room full of 10 year olds. You should all be proud of your lemming like associations. Facts have a nasty way of pissing on your cornflakes.

Dubya received a bachelor's degree from Yale University in 1968, then served as an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. President Bush received a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1975. After graduating, he moved back to Midland and began a career in the energy business. After working on his father's successful 1988 presidential campaign, he assembled the group of partners that purchased the Texas Rangers baseball franchise in 1989.

He served as managing general partner of the Texas Rangers until he was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote.
He became the first Governor in Texas history to be elected to consecutive four-year terms when he was re-elected on November 3, 1998, with 68.6 percent of the vote.

 

[jodarby]

Still Doesn't Acount For...

Yes, yes, Bush went to school, went to business. Still doesn't answer the question as to how the war on terrorism became the war on Iraq. If Bush senior didn't march into Iraq in 1991, why is it a good reason now? Surely, the justification was there back then. But now?

Placing hand firmly on chest and saying "my country wrong or right" and saying at least I don't have an adulterer in the Oval Office, doesn't answer the fundamental questions of why.

Dubya can keep that heel firmly planted on Saddam's neck for the length of his presidency. There is support for that. But a $60 billion war against Iraq lack legitimacy. And with the economy in the toilet and sinking fast, I gotta ask you: Does that sound like the decision of a Harvard business grad?

 

[Scirocco]

I am a staunch republican and there's a lot I don't like about our Executive branch right now. Most of it is under Bush, mostly Cheney and that idiot that runs the defense department. The VP and Rummy are both way too agressive. Plus, Rummy doesn't listen to anyone below him...they're both typical 60's old school conservatives. I think we're lucky we have Bush and Colin to keep them reined in a little....

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

I am a staunch republican and there's a lot I don't like about our Executive branch right now. Most of it is under Bush, mostly Cheney and that idiot that runs the defense department. The VP and Rummy are both way too agressive. Plus, Rummy doesn't listen to anyone below him...they're both typical 60's old school conservatives. I think we're lucky we have Bush and Colin to keep them reined in a little....

Hmmmm...something about Bush trying to rein in anyone...scary concept, considering that those guys are pros, and he's an amateur.

 

[teddybear4play]

Re: "Redneck?" "Dumb?"

Reading the posts on this thread reminds me of a room full of 10 year olds. You should all be proud of your lemming like associations. Facts have a nasty way of pissing on your cornflakes.

Dubya received a bachelor's degree from Yale University in 1968, then served as an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. President Bush received a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1975. After graduating, he moved back to Midland and began a career in the energy business. After working on his father's successful 1988 presidential campaign, he assembled the group of partners that purchased the Texas Rangers baseball franchise in 1989.

He served as managing general partner of the Texas Rangers until he was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote.
He became the first Governor in Texas history to be elected to consecutive four-year terms when he was re-elected on November 3, 1998, with 68.6 percent of the vote.

Who needs facts? They have reductive analyses and parroted statements.

TB4p

 

[Weevil]

Re: Re: "Redneck?" "Dumb?"

Who needs facts? They have reductive analyses and parroted statements.

TB4p

Excuse me but that's horseshit. He got legacied into Yale, ducked service in Vietnam thanks to his dad, was a mildly successful business man and then was a mocked figurehead as a baseball team owner.

It's also a fact that Rickey Henderson has been thrown out stealing bases more than anyone else. Facts are subject to interpretation and Analysis, anyone who accepts them blindly is the Parrot.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Re: "Redneck?" "Dumb?"

Reading the posts on this thread reminds me of a room full of 10 year olds. You should all be proud of your lemming like associations. Facts have a nasty way of pissing on your cornflakes.

Dubya received a bachelor's degree from Yale University in 1968

Legacy admission, lackluster student

, then served as an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard

daddy pulled strings, and he skipped out on his last year of service

. President Bush received a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1975.

another legacy admission, and he doesn't seem very educated, does he? another rich kid squandering an education...

After graduating, he moved back to Midland and began a career in the energy business.

one failed scam after another, bankrolled by his father's friends

After working on his father's successful 1988 presidential campaign, he assembled the group of partners that purchased the Texas Rangers baseball franchise in 1989.

Another shady deal, naturally, in which Shrubby plyed his father's name into 'success'.

[qoute]He served as managing general partner of the Texas Rangers until he was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. He became the first Governor in Texas history to be elected to consecutive four-year terms when he was re-elected on November 3, 1998, with 68.6 percent of the vote. [/QUOTE] And, he wouldn't even be in politics if he had gotten his way, and become MLB commisioner.

He's also lied about when he quit drinking, he's got a few convictions(including a suspected cocaine conviction), he lost the presidential election...nope, no need for facts, at least not for Shrubby.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: "Redneck?" "Dumb?"

Reading the posts on this thread reminds me of a room full of 10 year olds. You should all be proud of your lemming like associations. Facts have a nasty way of pissing on your cornflakes.

Dubya received a bachelor's degree from Yale University in 1968, then served as an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. President Bush received a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1975. After graduating, he moved back to Midland and began a career in the energy business. After working on his father's successful 1988 presidential campaign, he assembled the group of partners that purchased the Texas Rangers baseball franchise in 1989.

He served as managing general partner of the Texas Rangers until he was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote.
He became the first Governor in Texas history to be elected to consecutive four-year terms when he was re-elected on November 3, 1998, with 68.6 percent of the vote.

You mean that because he's achieved a few things in the past, he can be forgiven for being stupid now...

Personally I don't know whether he did what you say, one day I'll look it up, but somewhere in all that didn't he become a drinking, drug addict?

Where did he find the time?

Or did he become an addict and then achieved the things you say he did.

Whatever you say doesn't take away from him the fact that he is insistent on leading America into a series of unjustifiable wars whilst the American economy spins out of control...

ppman

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

And, just as an aside...being governor of Texas qualifies Bush for...being mayor of a medium-sized city anywhere else?

 

[Weevil]

and let's be fair, Clinton was probably the most accomplished President since Kennedy and that didn't buy him any sway.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

and let's be fair, Clinton was probably the most accomplished President since Kennedy and that didn't buy him any sway.

And we could easily call him the best moderate Republican president in decades...look at his record, instead of his rhetoric if you doubt me. The media blasted Bush for alot of things that were continuations of Clinton efforts.

 

[Weevil]

And we could easily call him the best moderate Republican president in decades...look at his record, instead of his rhetoric if you doubt me. The media blasted Bush for alot of things that were continuations of Clinton efforts.

Sure but these guys aren't interested in intelligent, informed opinions of their own. Fox News can do that for them.

 

[teddybear4play]

Re: Re: Re: "Redneck?" "Dumb?"

Excuse me but that's horseshit. He got legacied into Yale, ducked service in Vietnam thanks to his dad, was a mildly successful business man and then was a mocked figurehead as a baseball team owner.

It's also a fact that Rickey Henderson has been thrown out stealing bases more than anyone else. Facts are subject to interpretation and Analysis, anyone who accepts them blindly is the Parrot.

And it's not you for whom that statement was directed, just those people with posts such as

I dont like Bush. he is bad. will blow up the earth and kill people and dance on them

You at least think. I don't see that in a lot of people, irrespective of their opinion of the President.

TB4p

 

[Weevil]

Re: Re: Re: Re: "Redneck?" "Dumb?"

And it's not you for whom that statement was directed, just those people with posts such asYou at least think. I don't see that in a lot of people, irrespective of their opinion of the President.

TB4p

Mmm, maybe so. I can agree there's room for all sorts of opinions out here but certain peoples ideas of "facts" bugs me all over. Facts are simple and simple people use them the way people who defend Bush's past use them.

He is not a very accomplished man. It's a basic, hard truth. And because his defenders can't let a basic and largely irrelevent fact like this go it's what the debate over the man and his policies has become.

 

[eagleyez]

Re: "Redneck?" "Dumb?"

Reading the posts on this thread reminds me of a room full of 10 year olds. You should all be proud of your lemming like associations. Facts have a nasty way of pissing on your cornflakes.

Dubya received a bachelor's degree from Yale University in 1968, then served as an F-102 fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard. President Bush received a Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1975. After graduating, he moved back to Midland and began a career in the energy business. After working on his father's successful 1988 presidential campaign, he assembled the group of partners that purchased the Texas Rangers baseball franchise in 1989.

He served as managing general partner of the Texas Rangers until he was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote.
He became the first Governor in Texas history to be elected to consecutive four-year terms when he was re-elected on November 3, 1998, with 68.6 percent of the vote.

Give me a break, Sorry. Just listen to him talk. Hook line and sinker brigade -in the house. Yale... LOL

Bush is as big a puppet as Reagan. The same old corporate moneydeath machine in place...Prop up a stooge with some appeal to the machismo of the American populus. A real man.

Just keep watching, I think his buffoonery will win out in the end.

Bush at Yale LOL LOL LOL.......

 

[miles]

Re: Re: Re: "Redneck?" "Dumb?"

Excuse me but that's horseshit. He got legacied into Yale, ducked service in Vietnam thanks to his dad, was a mildly successful business man and then was a mocked figurehead as a baseball team owner.

It's also a fact that Rickey Henderson has been thrown out stealing bases more than anyone else. Facts are subject to interpretation and Analysis, anyone who accepts them blindly is the Parrot.

Even if he had been legacied into Yale, that's hardly enough to keep him there. Then there's that pesky graduate degree from Harvard. You know - that community college in Boston.

Millions of people fulfilled their military obligation by serving six years in the National Guard and Reserves, something you obviously know nothing about.

You have him confused with his predecessor.

 

[jodarby]

Once Again, You Digress

People can argue about how smart or stupid Bush is till they are blue in the face. It always goes back to this: How did the war on terrorism become the war on Iraq? What evidence is there that war is the only solution to this problem? If the U.N. feels that Iraq is clearly a threat to world security or a majority of leading nations think that, then by all means, maybe there should be a war. But there is little of that agreement out there now. The U.S., Britain and perhaps a few other nations will participate but that is a far cry from the huge coalition in the first war.

And people are divided in the U.S. They will increasingly be in doubt if there is large scale casualities or if no evidence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction are found.

Meanwhile, the U.S. economy continues to run into deficit. What kind of Republican regime allows a deficit. Hell, Canada, which is run by Liberals, has not run a deficit for years.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Once Again, You Digress

People can argue about how smart or stupid Bush is till they are blue in the face. It always goes back to this: How did the war on terrorism become the war on Iraq?

As far as I remember it began just after The Afghanistan fiasco...

Suddenly Osama bin Laden and the al Qaida group were no longer heading Bush's agenda.

It began with small references to Iraq's support of terrorism, just to bring that country back into the public's eye, then after a fairly short time references to terrorism were relegated lower down the list of priorities, and references to Saddam's past cruelty became normal fare...

When Iraq was firmly on the front pages again then Bush started slowly to bring in references to Weapons of Mass Destruction using smokescreens like Saddam's evil actions against his own people, his anti-American stance and his largely empty threats...

When Iraq and Saddam had been properly demonised then Bush felt he had enough of the world on his side to complete the transition by coming out in the open and declaring Iraq a rogue nation which hasn't complied with UN Resolutions and is intent on attacking America and her allies. All this with no proof that he has bothered to show anyone...

I think it has come as a bit of a shock to George that he has hardly any support at all...

Anyway that's how I remember the change coming about...

ppman