Why I've got a problem with Bush's America...

[teddybear4play]

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Your argument on the beginning of war of independence and World war 2 is curious. The U.S. was attacked in World War 2. Your participation was totally involuntary. There wasn't any question about stabilization. It was about security.

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Iraq hasn't directly attacked U.S. soil. Bush and Powell have not been able to lay claim that the attack of September 11 or subsequent terrorism came from or was ordered by Saddam.

Oh really? You know, I missed the part in the history books where the Luftwaffe took part in the Pearl Harbor raid.

Germany formally declared war on us, true, but they didn't attack us to bring us into the war. We attacked Germany because they posed a threat to us despite the fact that they hadn't yet attacked. Hell, you could almost call it "preemptive."

Iraq and September 11 were not directly related. That's become irrelevant, though. The cause for invading Iraq is more because we're trying to prevent future terrorist attacks.

TB4p

 

[jodarby]

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Oh really? You know, I missed the part in the history books where the Luftwaffe took part in the Pearl Harbor raid.

Germany formally declared war on us, true, but they didn't attack us to bring us into the war. We attacked Germany because they posed a threat to us despite the fact that they hadn't yet attacked. Hell, you could almost call it "preemptive."

Iraq and September 11 were not directly related. That's become irrelevant, though. The cause for invading Iraq is more because we're trying to prevent future terrorist attacks.

TB4p

You idiot. The Japanese were in alliance with Germany and Italy. The moment they declared war on you following the attack, you were at war with Germany and Italy at the same time. The declarations were instantaneous.

 

[p_p_man]

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The cause for invading Iraq is more because we're trying to prevent future terrorist attacks.

TB4p

Reason No 1 for attacking Iraq: Non-Compliance with UN Resolutions.

Reason No 2 for attacking Iraq: The amassaing of weapons of mass destruction.

Reason No 3 for attacking Iraq: Their links with al Qaida

Reason No 4 for attacking Iraq: To prevent future terrorist attacks.

Keep going you might eventually come up with an excuse that is plausible. America and the UK have no excuse for invading Iraq.

The wriggling of Messrs Bush and Blair to come up with a reason that we can all agree with proves that even they know there is no justification.

There is a nasty smell about the whole rotten business...

ppman

 

[teddybear4play]

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You idiot. The Japanese were in alliance with Germany and Italy. The moment they declared war on you following the attack, you were at war with Germany and Italy at the same time. The declarations were instantaneous.

Doesn't matter. Iraq never attacked us; Germany never attacked us.

And furthermore, the Tripartite Pact was only for mutual defense, only coming into play when one of the members was attacked, not if they attacked anyone else. When Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, Japan and Italy didn't immediately come on board; furthermore, Hitler obviously held no regard for defense treaties, considering he egregiously violated one when he turned his army east.

If it's a declaration of war you want, while Saddam Hussein has never come out with an official statement, I think we're in a de facto hostile arrangement right now.

Reason No 1 for attacking Iraq: Non-Compliance with UN Resolutions.

Reason No 2 for attacking Iraq: The amassaing of weapons of mass destruction.

Reason No 3 for attacking Iraq: Their links with al Qaida

Reason No 4 for attacking Iraq: To prevent future terrorist attacks.

Keep going you might eventually come up with an excuse that is plausible. America and the UK have no excuse for invading Iraq.

The wriggling of Messrs Bush and Blair to come up with a reason that we can all agree with proves that even they know there is no justification.

There is a nasty smell about the whole rotten business...

Wrongo, peepee. Those are reasons why the rest of the world should join us. The primary and ultimate reason for Iraqi regime change was laid out by George W. Bush in his 2002 State Of The Union Address, a.k.a. the "axis of evil" speech:

Our second goal is to prevent regimes that sponsor terror from threatening America or our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction.

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Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror. The Iraqi regime has plotted to develop anthrax and nerve gas and nuclear weapons for over a decade.

This is a regime that has already used poison gas to murder thousands of its own citizens, leaving the bodies of mothers huddled over their dead children. This is a regime that agreed to international inspections then kicked out the inspectors. This is a regime that has something to hide from the civilized world.

States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic.

We will work closely with our coalition to deny terrorists and their state sponsors the materials, technology and expertise to make and deliver weapons of mass destruction.

We will develop and deploy effective missile defenses to protect America and our allies from sudden attack.

And all nations should know: America will do what is necessary to ensure our nation's security.

We'll be deliberate, yet time is not on our side. I will not wait on events while dangers gather. I will not stand by as peril draws closer and closer. The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons.

Fini.

TB4p

 

[p_p_man]

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Wrongo, peepee. Those are reasons why the rest of the world should join us. The primary and ultimate reason for Iraqi regime change was laid out by George W. Bush in his 2002 State Of The Union Address, a.k.a. the "axis of evil" speech:

Fini.

TB4p

And you believe him?

ppman

 

[teddybear4play]

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And you believe him?

Yes.

You obviously don't.

You evidently don't use the London Underground, either.

TB4p

 

[SINthysist]

Iran has joined the coalition p_p_...

Did you see the report in the Financial Times about some Ayatollah in exile in Iran moving into Iraq under Iranian cover in order to take part in the partitioning of Iraq?

The Kurds are gonna want a peice of land which is why Turkey so desparately needs NATO cover because their Kurds are pretty revolting as it is...

 

[p_p_man]

Iran has joined the coalition p_p_...

Did you see the report in the Financial Times about some Ayatollah in exile in Iran moving into Iraq under Iranian cover in order to take part in the partitioning of Iraq?

The Kurds are gonna want a peice of land which is why Turkey so desparately needs NATO cover because their Kurds are pretty revolting as it is...

Yep. That, and other groups already forming for their slice of the cake, is why I can't see a Governor imposed on the country by Bush being very effective...

Unless his authority is continually backed up by military force for years to come...

ppman