We made our baby deaf on purpose

Cheyenne

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I hesitated to post this because I don't want it to turn into a slam on lesbians. But, I'd like to know what people think in general of having a deaf baby on purpose. Is being deaf a "cultural identity?" I just don't see it. I think most reasonable parents would pray to have healthy babies.


http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=545846&in_r
eview_text_id=511810

Lesbians: We made our baby deaf on purpose

by James Langton in New York
A deaf lesbian couple have admitted deliberately creating what are believed to be the world's first designer handicapped babies.

The two women tracked down a deaf sperm donor to ensure that their daughter, who is now five, would inherit the same inherited hearing disabilty that they both share.

The couple were so pleased with the result that they have just had a second child, called Gauvin, using the same technique. Doctors who examined the boy say he is completely deaf in one ear and has only partial hearing in the other.

In an interview with the Washington Post, the women - Sharon Duchesneau, who gave birth, and Candace McCullough, her lesbian lover - say that they believe deafness is "an identity not a medical affliction that needs to be fixed".

They were so desperate to have children who share their handicap that the women asked their local sperm bank to provide a deaf donor, but were told congential hearing loss immediately disqualifies candidates.

Instead they turned to a deaf male friend for help, producing what they call their first "perfect baby" - their five-year-old daughter Jehanne. Before their son was born, the women said: "A hearing baby would be a blessing; a deaf baby would be a special blessing.''

Both women, who are in their mid thirties, belong to a radical school of thought that believes deafness is a "cultural identity" not a handicap.

They want their children to share the same "experiences" including learning, sign language and going to special schools for the deaf.

They also consulted a "genetic counsellor" before getting pregnant who told them that with Miss Duchesneau's background, that includes four generations of deafness on her mother's side, any child conceived with a deaf sperm
donor would have a 50 per cent chance of having the same handicap.

After their daughter's first hearing test, the couple wrote happily in her baby book: "Oct 11, 1996 - no response at 95 decibels - DEAF!'' Their daughter attends a special kindergarten for children with hearing problems.

After tests on their baby son showed he also had severe problems, they decided against giving him a deaf aid in the one ear that still has some hearing, saying they will leave the decision to him when he is older.

The couple's behaviour has appalled children's rights groups in the United States. The conservative Family Research Council said their decision to "intentionally give a child a disability" was "incredibly selfish".

The council's spokesman, Fred Connor, said: "These women are taking the idea of creating so-called designer babies to a horrible new level.''

Even a leading member of the American National Association for the Deaf, Nancy Rarus, said she "can't understand why anyone would want to bring a disabled child into the world".
 
I read that article in the Washington Post Magazine. While I understand the desire to have a child "like you" (I'm in an interracial marriage, this discussion has come up many times), I can't see deliberately bring a child into the world who would not be able to partake of everything life has to offer.

On the flip side, the article did state the women are menbers of the Deaf community and did not want to be cut off from avenues their children could persue. To them, lack of hearing was not a disability.
 
maybe.....

....they can poke out her eyes, cut out her tongue, remove her clitoris and apply for sainthood!

RhumbRunner:eek:
 
I wonder if the fact that they are lesbians makes any difference?


Not to me it doesn't.
Why you would want a child born with a disability of ANY kind is beyond me.
I aint even gonna try to understand.
 
Personally I think they should be forced to undergo surgery to remove their cochlea so they can live with the same handicap as their children. If they're so gung-ho about their kids being deaf, they should share in the experience.

These two disgust me. Not because they are lesbians but because of what they did to these children. It's child abuse.
 
my son

is disabled. He is twin "b" and they were born 9 weeks early. He has cerebral palsy, and i would never make my child or anyones child handicapped on purpose. how sick! it kills me every time i look at my sons innocent face. maybe i could have done something differently and he would be fine like his twin sister??? it breaks my heart because he is so happy, its like he doesnt even register that his body doesnt do what he wants it to.

these woman are sick sick fucktards!
 
what idiots.
the kids are gonna be pissed when they find the were bred that way.
 
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I personally consider the ability to hear to be a part of genetic fitness. People who can hear, on average, are going to have less problems learning, meeting people, finding a fulfilling job, etc. than people who can't.
Even Beethoven couldn't have been a composer if he'd been born deaf. How will they feel if their kid gets run over from behind?
What's next? Will amputees cut off their kids' legs before they're born?

I can't condone, or even understand, what these people did to their child.
 
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Throbbin_Rod said:
Personally I think they should be forced to undergo surgery to remove their cochlea so they can live with the same handicap as their children. If they're so gung-ho about their kids being deaf, they should share in the experience.

These two disgust me. Not because they are lesbians but because of what they did to these children. It's child abuse.

You didn't read closely. They ARE deaf, both of them. That is why they wanted a deaf child.
 
Kitten Eyes said:
On the flip side, the article did state the women are menbers of the Deaf community and did not want to be cut off from avenues their children could persue. To them, lack of hearing was not a disability.

They could have just as easily taught them how to do sign language to a child that is not deaf.

What's going to happen when the child finds out that her deafness was deliberately caused by her "mothers"? I really don't think that she's going to react kindly to that.

I don't care what PC jargon they chant about "cultural identities" children are not items to do with as we please and they are not little versions of ourselves.
 
Geez, I agree with everyone so far...

BUT - I'm certainly no expert on sperm donations, but don't you have to pass a rigorous screening procedure for a wide variety of health concerns to ensure the healthiest child possible? I mean, if a grandparent had heart disease or cancer, wouldn't they say "no thanks" to you?
 
Pheonyx said:

the kids are gonna be pissed when they find the were bred that way.

Hmmmm... I didn't even think of that angle. You're probably correct though. I would be upset if it were me.
 
storm1969 said:
Geez, I agree with everyone so far...

BUT - I'm certainly no expert on sperm donations, but don't you have to pass a rigorous screening procedure for a wide variety of health concerns to ensure the healthiest child possible? I mean, if a grandparent had heart disease or cancer, wouldn't they say "no thanks" to you?

Article covered that too, they had to find a special source.
 
People like this remind me of how some people don't need to have any kind of power over any kind of life.

Hmmmm... I didn't even think of that angle. You're probably correct though. I would be upset if it were me.

Anyone would be upset if they found out that they were nothing more than their parent's afternoon science experiment.
 
Cheyenne said:


Hmmmm... I didn't even think of that angle. You're probably correct though. I would be upset if it were me.

Fuck yeah!!!

Tyrael, you're posting intelligently - what's the deal?? LOL! ;)
 
To tell you the absolute truth, I'm not at all suprised. A friend of mine studies the deaf community and from being around him I know that there is some disdain towards us "hearies." There are even isolationist who absolutely refuse to communicate to those who can't read sign.

I might not have my facts 100% straight, so if someone knows better then me, please speak up. Again, from what I've heard, this does not suprise me.
 
I think it's selfish. I understand what they did, but I still think it's selfish. To want to have a child is to want to have a child, not necessarily a self-object for your sake. It seems that they would somehow feel inadequate or unable to bond if their child didn't share this trait.

I still need to think about it; it's just so odd. I don't think I fully understand their intentions.
 
I read this earlier today. I started to post it, but changed my mind. These people are sick and selfish. To deliberately do something like this is beyond my reasoning. Wonder what they would have done if they were blind? :confused:
 
Tyrael said:
People like this remind me of how some people don't need to have any kind of power over any kind of life.



Anyone would be upset if they found out that they were nothing more than their parent's afternoon science experiment.

Well, you were all some kind of experiment between your parents... I came from Sears though, my Mom said. But if she'd bought me at a blue light special at K-mart just 'cause the kit was $15 cheaper, I'd be pissed.
 
Re: maybe.....

:p
 
heterotic said:

I came from Sears though, my Mom said. But if she'd bought me at a blue light special at K-mart just 'cause the kit was $15 cheaper, I'd be pissed.

She only got you at Sears 'cause she was out of cash and had a Sears charge card....... ;)
 
Black_Bird said:
To tell you the absolute truth, I'm not at all suprised. A friend of mine studies the deaf community and from being around him I know that there is some disdain towards us "hearies." There are even isolationist who absolutely refuse to communicate to those who can't read sign.

I might not have my facts 100% straight, so if someone knows better then me, please speak up. Again, from what I've heard, this does not suprise me.

To be sure, in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is a pariah, not a king. But dealing with something as big as the whole of someone else's life, I'd expect anybody to look past natural but stupid prejudices like that. It's just too important.
 
I only read half the post couldn't go on....

that is just fucking sick.

to purposly harm a child.... and yes it is harming them, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks, to purposly make a child handycapt. now if a deaf women and man are in love and have a child to show their love and that child ends up deaf. that's different there is always a chance it won't happen...

i have a deaf aunt and uncle, only one of their 5 kids is deaf, and he's only that way cause he fell out of a highchair.

but to say... oh we are both deaf so our child should be..... that is fucking sick..

sick sick sick.

oh I was born with no legs, I think my child should have no legs, let's give the wife a parcial abortion to rip the childs legs off that way they will defelope without them.....
fucking stupid people in this world....

NEVER EVER EVER HURT A CHILD........
Pisses me off
 
storm1969 said:


She only got you at Sears 'cause she was out of cash and had a Sears charge card....... ;)
I know... She keeps reminding me that soon she'll have to pay me back to them... With interest :eek:
 
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