you're someone's performance alt.
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and you change your sex and gender on a whim....
War starts on command, but doesn't end when you please
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US aid to Ukraine now has topped over twice as much at 54 billion:
https://www.theedgemedia.org/us-military-aid-ukraine-war/
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Poland and Ukraine have settled their differences over their territorial and population adjustments post-WW2. Disclaimer here, one of my great-granddads was Polish, his family was from outside Lvov, he fought in WW2 in the Polish Army against the Russians, was sent to Siberia, made it to the Middle East as part of the Anders Army, fought thru the rest of WW2 and ended up here (US) as a post-WW2 refugee. I know all about what happened in the western Ukraine / Eastern Poland during and after WW2, it's family history for me. All of my great-grandad's family except him did not survive WW2, so cut with the crap. Poles and Ukrainians both regard what happened back then as unfortunate history, now put aside. Poland is the 3rd biggest supporter of Ukraine after USA and UK. Nuff said.
As for Romania, WTF? Moldava was part of Romania before USSR seperated it. Nothing to do with Ukraine, and the coastal area south of Moldava's another story. Czech? Look at the map. There's this country called Slovakia in between. Maybe that was what you were thinking of? Or was it Ruthenia? Whatever, it's not even an issue. Eastern European borders overlap ethnicity all over eastern europe. So are you also suggesting Czechia gives upland to Germany because Sudeten Germans? Maybe Ukraine should also claim the Kuban from Russia, because Kuban cossacks are Ukrainian rather than Russians. Also on that basis, the Russian Federation should be broken up because in reality, Russia is the last surviving colonial empire in the world. Speaking of cherry-picking bullshit.
As for Hungarians, there's Hungarian minorities in just about every country Hungary borders, because of the way the Austro-Hungarian empire was broken up post WW1. Transylviana for example. If you want to start a full-on Balkan/Eastern European war, try re-arranging all those borders, but stop jerking off and making like a Russian troll making up shit about Ukraine and its small Hungarian minority.
I'm so fucking over the Slava Ukraina and Zelensky Vogue bullshit.
If you Americans were savvy, you would ask for detailed invoices:
did ALL those billions taken from your taxes
go towards arming Ukraine or giving shelter to refugees?
--How much of that money was used for "salaries" etc
What is the current net value of Zelensky and the other Ukrainian oligarchs? Have THEY chipped in at all to help those displaced laypeople?
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Yeah yeah yeah. Moral equivalence. When you're up there getting upset about Russians castrating Ukrainian POW's and mass-murdering them, if they hadn't already tortured them to death, I might give two fucks about your opinions on the Vogue front page, a really good PR move which reached an audience that might not otherwise be that aware of what's happening. As for the billions, most of that is weapons and ammo. Yeah, sure, some of its going in graft. Who gives a shit, look at how much our own politicians steal. I'll give two fucks about Ukrainians making a few bucks on the side once Biden and Killary are in jail. Meanwhile, I would far rather see arms and ammo going to Ukraine.
Anything else places you firmly on the side of the Russians, and THAT is at pretty much the same level as Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, in terms of evil, given what the Russians are actively doing. The only thing worse than an enemy is a traitor who stabs you in the back, and from your posts, that's pretty much you, because while engage in a bit of moral masturbation to make yourself feel good, ordinary Ukrainians are the subject of genocide, torture and being sent off to the concentration camps. You know where that places you, right? About on a par with the apologists for Himmler and the SS.
As it stands, your views are irrelevant, because the wolves are out there, hunting Russians, and they won't stop until the 2014 borders are reached, and Crimea, the Donbas and Luhansk are safely back in the Ukraine, and the orcs are fertilizing the sunflower fields, or back in Mordor. Either is okay.
"Step by step, a shadow in the shadows,
Wolves go hunting.
"Step by step, a shadow in the shadows,
Wolves go hunting...."
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speaking of Kosovo
interesting to see the double standards
Americans intervened through force, to help Kosovo break away from Yugoslavia
yet when it came to Donbas and Crimea,
which are majority Russian, Crimea voted yes through Public Referendum
Slava Ukraina!
apparently the Kosovo debacles, this one and the September one, were orchestrated by KGB not CIA.
it serves Russia -not to ignite the conflict, but to bring Kosovo again into people's working memory, for the parallels with Donbas.
just like Medvedev's new Ukraine map, which showcased the territories ilegally grabbed by Ukraine/under USSR, from neighbouring countries.
CIA was asleep at the wheel.
it serves Russia -not to ignite the conflict, but to bring Kosovo again into people's working memory, for the parallels with Donbas.
just like Medvedev's new Ukraine map, which showcased the territories ilegally grabbed by Ukraine/under USSR, from neighbouring countries.
CIA was asleep at the wheel.
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Surveys of Ukrainians are being done and are rather clear. Overwhelming majority support their country's continued existence and believe in victory.
Surveys of Russian population is highly problematic. Publicly, they too seem supportive of the genocidal, colonial invasion, knowing well what it entails. Stil Putin is apparently afraid of starting open mobilization, and might be right to be.
oh, good then. I am a rusophile as in love the people and culture, but I'm not a Tsarist-Putinist.
But normal people like me are turning pro-Putin out of exasperation with the "John Wayne goes to war"propaganda that is being shoved down our throats.
They treat us like they treat their' barely-finished high-school' Americans - with telenovelas and l'patriotic John Wayne' stories and memes.
But people outside of US are't like that. Back home, even the most uneducated rough rural person has more discernment.
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Let's hope the prevailing wind blows east then.....
Mind you, the Russians also gave us Chernobyl, so its not like they don't have a track record of nuclear fuckups. About time to de-nuke, de-nazi, and de-militarize the Russia KleptoFascist orcs.
Quite telling.
Does anyone of you have a grasp of what's happening? Russia-Ukraine is just a pebble in the pond, it's the ripples that you need to pay attention to.
Whether Russia takes Ukraine or not, they will emerge a broken nation incapable of waging conventional war in the future.
In the mean time Putin's ill considered venture is condemning a good part of the world to food shortages and famine. And if that's not bad enough the unelected morons running the EU are trying to put their farmers out of business.
Famine breeds disease and war. And disease and war equals death..................for millions. North America will be more or less OK. But even the US and Canada will not be able to produce enough food to feed the rest of the world anymore. There will be certain strategic allies that we will be able to sustain. Most likely Japan, Mexico, and the UK. France will make it through and probably Argentina. India will struggle, but survive. China is going to be in deep shit along with most of Africa, the middle East, and a great deal of South America. I suspect that Australia will survive as well but there will be a profound change in their politics associated with that.
I have no faith, NO FAITH, in the leadership in the US or any other nation for that matter beyond India. India is that only nation I know of that is taking concrete steps to protect their food supply and those steps are not good news for other nations that rely on what meager food (or food related (fertilizer)) exports India makes.
Lupus is concerned that Russia may invade them. No necessary at all. The Baltic's are incapable of feeding themselves given time with the various policies and decisions of the West, along with Russia, they'll starve to death.
Could it be that there are people of means and power that actually want to see a billion people, or more, starve to death? I can't answer that question but we have prima facie evidence that their actions will lead to that result. For example Bill Gates buying up vast quantities of farm land and taking those lands out of production. While we can't divine his motives we can certainly know the results in a world plagued by food shortages.
Food and energy make the world go around, and for all intents and purposes the two terms are synonymous. Starving a nation, or the world, of either one is a prescription for disaster. Starving a nation, or the world, of both simultaneously is a catastrophe of epic proportions.
Whether Russia takes Ukraine or not, they will emerge a broken nation incapable of waging conventional war in the future.
In the mean time Putin's ill considered venture is condemning a good part of the world to food shortages and famine. And if that's not bad enough the unelected morons running the EU are trying to put their farmers out of business.
Famine breeds disease and war. And disease and war equals death..................for millions. North America will be more or less OK. But even the US and Canada will not be able to produce enough food to feed the rest of the world anymore. There will be certain strategic allies that we will be able to sustain. Most likely Japan, Mexico, and the UK. France will make it through and probably Argentina. India will struggle, but survive. China is going to be in deep shit along with most of Africa, the middle East, and a great deal of South America. I suspect that Australia will survive as well but there will be a profound change in their politics associated with that.
I have no faith, NO FAITH, in the leadership in the US or any other nation for that matter beyond India. India is that only nation I know of that is taking concrete steps to protect their food supply and those steps are not good news for other nations that rely on what meager food (or food related (fertilizer)) exports India makes.
Lupus is concerned that Russia may invade them. No necessary at all. The Baltic's are incapable of feeding themselves given time with the various policies and decisions of the West, along with Russia, they'll starve to death.
Could it be that there are people of means and power that actually want to see a billion people, or more, starve to death? I can't answer that question but we have prima facie evidence that their actions will lead to that result. For example Bill Gates buying up vast quantities of farm land and taking those lands out of production. While we can't divine his motives we can certainly know the results in a world plagued by food shortages.
Food and energy make the world go around, and for all intents and purposes the two terms are synonymous. Starving a nation, or the world, of either one is a prescription for disaster. Starving a nation, or the world, of both simultaneously is a catastrophe of epic proportions.
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Bullshit. We are more than capable to feed ourselves and about twice, if not more. Caveat: it's not really profitable to do so at current price levels still. Do that change, we're back in business big time. Not instantly, sure, but trust me, we're no fools.
True, the combination of the sudden plunge in unregulated capitalism and slavish literalism in over-implementation of EU regulations (no, there's no contradiction) have done more damage to millennia old traditions of subsistence than any previous turmoil, but those are still alive and was still near universal less than a generation ago. There's far more resilience than you can imagine. Would the shit hit the fan for real, our exurbs could switch back to feeding themselves with little fuss, like it almost always was till now. And the advances modern humanity had done make it easier than ever. Hobby gardens may not be profitable but they keep the knowledge.
As far industrial farming goes, strict adherence to European regulations aren't exactly so disruptive for those who can keep up with it. It drives concentration yes, but that also drives efficiency, even though everyone is still apparently too small and effectively forced to keep extra capacity.
We can laugh about couch-peasants who cash in on Europe paying for cutting grass, but even that policy does exactly what it's intended to do: keep the unused ameliorated land from returning to forest (what happens in short order here otherwise), so that it would be available should the conjuncture change. In other words, exactly for what were talking about.
In all truth, you can't starve Russia either, exactly for the same reasons, even though they would have it much much worse, not in small part exactly for the lack of the (external, "artificial") support through the systemic change (they aren't capable of) and far, far further gone on -- intentionally driven -- inequality. However, as though it might be, people will subside anyway, as they always had. They still do.
You can, with enough pressure and disruption starve Moscow, that abomination is so far out of anything reasonable, but it's also metropolis of a very aggressive empire run by petty thugs who will loot anyone without a shred of conscience. So yes, it's conceivable someone in Russia will starve before Moscow, but because of Moscow and not otherwise.
No, Russia won't starve. They'll be able to grow an over-abundance of food but the issue there is that NATO has made it all but impossible for them to export said food or any of the fertilizers they produce. That does have a global impact.
I took a deep dive into the food security of the Baltic's and I apologize, they are relatively self-sufficient re. food. However they will have the same problem as everyone else in Europe and that's access to fertilizer.
I took a deep dive into the food security of the Baltic's and I apologize, they are relatively self-sufficient re. food. However they will have the same problem as everyone else in Europe and that's access to fertilizer.
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So what. Locally, we're not exactly so dependent on it either. It would cut some top yields (and profits) sure, but that's modern luxury anyhow. For how poor our soils are, they're been so forever.
We're not some jungle clearing aliens (rather, from where that misguided practice comes from, as here it actually makes at least some sense, with right mix of bushes). If you drive through Latvian countryside, you will see field after field of really bad looking beans, half rotted and full of weeds. Some of it goes to animal feed, but mostly it's there to be plowed in. So does corn. There's a lot of corn that never matures in the local climate (althoug that may soon change), grown just for the green mass.
A long way of saying we know how to deal with that.
Sure, you can argue that planting sequence alone can't account for everything, or that the land use is then less than optimal for short term profit. For how the current structure is (or was) the top dollar locally was in chasing the flimsy "biological" label, but that's only part of it, the penalty for not talking shortcuts isn't as steep if any, as even current equations go.
Further, the population here haven't really grown for centuries now (recently it's shrinking again instead). The reasons for that haven't been nice, but while we discuss food security that pretty much guarantees a cushion.
I deleted my posts about Bill Gates because I don't want to detract your thread --- sorry, LD.
I tried to comment on Ish's FANTASTIC post in a thread I started on the GB, instead.
Not sure if it will get any traction tho, Ish needs to get on to it and start writing threads like he used to.
Ish, Ishtard, ogg, Lupus and others --- the intellectual lifeline of the Board.
They NEED to start writing threads
Most other threads --mine included-- are uninformed or C&P's and stupid.
I tried to comment on Ish's FANTASTIC post in a thread I started on the GB, instead.
Not sure if it will get any traction tho, Ish needs to get on to it and start writing threads like he used to.
Ish, Ishtard, ogg, Lupus and others --- the intellectual lifeline of the Board.
They NEED to start writing threads
Most other threads --mine included-- are uninformed or C&P's and stupid.
I see that Amnesty International accused Ukrainian Army of using civilians as human shields (that they parked their headquarters near hospitals theaters etc, in breach of Internatonal regulations).
Two reactions:
Zelensky claims it's a smear & not true
people who say & I told you so.
I think it's something in between.
I think that it DID happen, but only by the Azov batallion not the rest of the Ukrainian army.
It's just a lesson, for me of how the mindless mass media propaganda "Ukrainians pure as snow, Russians serial rapists" backfired.
The increasing Public indifference to Ukrainians' plight, unfortunately,is a result of such massmedia tactics. People feel insulted, when they are treated as if they;re telenovelas/Medieval Times eateries consumers.
\Nevermind that American govt is pouring billions into a war with no end in sight, while Americans are now rationing their Insulin
Two reactions:
Zelensky claims it's a smear & not true
people who say & I told you so.
I think it's something in between.
I think that it DID happen, but only by the Azov batallion not the rest of the Ukrainian army.
It's just a lesson, for me of how the mindless mass media propaganda "Ukrainians pure as snow, Russians serial rapists" backfired.
The increasing Public indifference to Ukrainians' plight, unfortunately,is a result of such massmedia tactics. People feel insulted, when they are treated as if they;re telenovelas/Medieval Times eateries consumers.
\Nevermind that American govt is pouring billions into a war with no end in sight, while Americans are now rationing their Insulin
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Of course it did happen. Because it is expected by the nature of the warfare. And it is misunderstood there, the obligation is to protect civilians to the extent possible, an obligation shared by both sides, regarding each any every target. What's possible is still dictated by military logic though. Ukrainians have done their utmost. Russians never cared.
Like, for example, those two MLRS systems hiding in that Kyiv mall backyard doors that then get hit by Iskander burning out the whole thing (during battle of Kyiv, back in March). While it was indeed "legitimate" target the weapon Russians used was seriously overpowered and thus illegal for use in that situation. On Ukrainians part it was absolutely a forced thing in principle, in defense of the city. There had to be artillery present in the city, and any other hiding place would be as bad if not worse. Fine, Russians should have used low yield precision munitions. Russians may try to defend that decision saying they couldn't get any such there in time for how long they expected the target to be there so they fired a damn ballistic missile taking out the whole block. Bullshit, but such a war. Even so, casualties were minimal, because Ukrainians had done everything they could to minimize them, thus at absolutely no fail, although at face value, that was kinda bad decision to put those vehicles there on a scoot that got followed by a drone (then the exact location was confirmed by a traitor on the ground).
Where Ukrainian civilian casualties mount, is where either civilian population is deliberately targeted (Bucha & Irpin, Mariopol teacher case, Chechen mass rapes and killings later there (we likely never will hear an official account for)), many artillery strikes, including recent, or where Russians miss by half a mile (literally!) or fire at "military industry" using maps from seventies.
And that's why everyone and their dog shit on that Amnesty report. It's wrong, and pure sabotage.
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