War starts on command, but doesn't end when you please

[mayfly13]

LD,
the more I listen to Eastern European right-wing channels,
the more I am on the side of pre-2022 Russians.

Imagine being in their shoes: Ukraine is as big also because Soviet Russia added other countries' territories to Soviet Ukraine
and post-1991 Ukraine not only gets to keep those territories,
but also cries wolf when Russia wants Crimea back? Which belonged to Ukraine only because Krushchev gifted it behind his people's back?

In saying that, I only understand the pre-2022 Russian point of view, What happened this year was unlawful breach of sovereignity + war crimes.

 

[mayfly13]

I was reading about Russian presidents' early formative experiences.

Both Raisa Gorbacheva (what a handsome, classy lady she was) and Mikhail Gorbachev came from mixed Ukrainian - Russian families.

Putin's little brother died of diphteria and starvation in 1942 during the Siege of Leningrad by Nazi Germany, his maternal grandMOTHER was killed by German occupiers, and his maternal uncles disappeared on the Eastern Front during World War II. (Wikipedia)


Kinda telling, isn't it?

 

[mayfly13]

Btw Lupus, I just went: 'WTF?"

Someone was saying that Indians consistently rank as the most racist country among surveys - and it's true. Which is kinda commedic, and it also makes sense cause it's not a homogenous country
By the same token, Scandinavian countries rank as least racist -- which to me means nothing other than that those folks are very polite and/or PC.

But then I saw (damn, I can't relocate the source) that UKRAINE and LITHUANIA didn't fare two well.
Ukraine -- understandably so. Most young or threatened nations often become ultra-nationalistic.
But Lithuania? What the hell?
Where do you think the bias comes from.

 

[mayfly13]

Spiritually, I'm a Rusophile
One of the most exciting Literature, History, and Music in the World. And most Russians that I met were warm and eager to help.

Putin and his murderous clique DO NOT represent the Russian soul.

Ukrainians, on the other hand --while I haven't met any-- apparently are viewed by Poles and Russians as their unsophisticated rural cousins.
Plus many people tell me that on 1:1, they're far colder and more selfish, than Russians are.

 

[mayfly13]

Hey, have you guys seen Medvedev's forecast for the war?
that parts of Ukraine will end up being integrated not just in Russia, but in Poland Hungary Romania a well:

https://dailynewshungary.com/wp-content/webpc-passthru.php?src=https://dailynewshungary.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Map.jpg&nocache=1


What do you guys think of this move?
even for what people call maskirovka... nobody would buy it

 

[mayfly13]

And fuck off in advance, ill68 and RG.
You write good posts, but not when it comes to this. If I read any more of your imbecilo-Amero war propaganda, I'll scream.

 

[mayfly13]

I see it more as a message reminding laypeople in the West how Ukraine was formed, that parts of neighboring countries were added by Russsia to Ukraine, mostly after ww2.
And to legitimize their own land grab which will look far smaller compared to this map.

Because I doubt that even Russians think that those three countries (Poland Hungary Romania),
regardless of that land grab from 80 years ago
would now pounce like jackals on an animal attacked by a wolf (Russia)

 

[ll74]

Ukraine should not be broken up. If it is, the eastern region could be given to Russia as a compromise for an end to hostility, at worst.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Ukraine should not be broken up. If it is, the eastern region could be given to Russia as a compromise for an end to hostility, at worst.

Aint gona happen. At worse Russia could try and hold it, but at the end of the day, it is the people of the country who decide. If Afghanistan can beat both Russia and the USA, it is unfathomable to me to think Ukraine couldn't do exactly the same.

 

[ll74]

Aint gona happen. At worse Russia could try and hold it, but at the end of the day, it is the people of the country who decide. If Afghanistan can beat both Russia and the USA, it is unfathomable to me to think Ukraine couldn't do exactly the same.

"If it is" was the keyword you missed in my comment

 

[Fuzzy1975]

"If it is" was the keyword you missed in my comment

No I didn't miss them, I just chose to reply as if it they were not there.

 

[ll74]

No I didn't miss them, I just chose to reply as if it they were not there.

Great technique. Next time, just choose to not reply if you're going to do that. Saves time

 

[Rightguide]

Hey, have you guys seen Medvedev's forecast for the war?
that parts of Ukraine will end up being integrated not just in Russia, but in Poland Hungary Romania a well:

https://dailynewshungary.com/wp-content/webpc-passthru.php?src=https://dailynewshungary.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Map.jpg&nocache=1


What do you guys think of this move?
even for what people call maskirovka... nobody would buy it

At the present rate, it will probably take them another hundred years to accomplish.

 

[LupusDei]

Hey, have you guys seen Medvedev's forecast for the war?
that parts of Ukraine will end up being integrated not just in Russia, but in Poland Hungary Romania a well:

https://dailynewshungary.com/wp-content/webpc-passthru.php?src=https://dailynewshungary.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Map.jpg&nocache=1


What do you guys think of this move?
even for what people call maskirovka... nobody would buy it

Pure masturbation.

It is not believed by some Medvedev believe the bullshit he spread himself. Rather, it's internal Kremlin court games that demand propagandists to one-upping one another in warmongering insanity, and Medvedev's relevance have been on decline for quite same time.

 

[LupusDei]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYmvF5vX0AgyRFq?format=jpg&name=large

 

[mayfly13]

Pure masturbation.

It is not believed by some Medvedev believe the bullshit he spread himself. Rather, it's internal Kremlin court games that demand propagandists to one-upping one another in warmongering insanity, and Medvedev's relevance have been on decline for quite same time.

or it's a reminder that the longer the war goes on, the smaller Ukraine gets.

Ukraine is the victim of two psychopaths-- Russia and the US.
It's only genuine allies are EU countries and the UK.

US would benefit as much as Russia would, from gutting the EU economy and currency. I wouldn't be surprised if that's their other -more covert- end goal, besides weakening Russia.

 

[Buffalogurl]

or it's a reminder that the longer the war goes on, the smaller Ukraine gets.

Ukraine is the victim of two psychopaths-- Russia and the US.
It's only genuine allies are EU countries and the UK.

US would benefit as much as Russia would, from gutting the EU economy and currency. I wouldn't be surprised if that's their other -more covert- end goal, besides weakening Russia.

Hey mayfly13..... if I may trouble you? How would the United States benefit from gutting the economy of the eu?.... (this is new) hopefully this doesn't come across as being a smart ass.... I am rather curious.....

 

[LupusDei]

or it's a reminder that the longer the war goes on, the smaller Ukraine gets.

Ukraine is the victim of two psychopaths-- Russia and the US.
It's only genuine allies are EU countries and the UK.

US would benefit as much as Russia would, from gutting the EU economy and currency. I wouldn't be surprised if that's their other -more covert- end goal, besides weakening Russia.

Or rather, response to decolonization maps of Russia itself, many of which have lately circulated, and most are likewise pure wishful thinking, as inspirational they could be. However, lately there's been quite pro-Kremlin voices wondering would this situation lead to, like, seven way all-on-all civil war in their own empire, might they risk admit the defeat they are suffering.

Although that noise could just be another way to try to scare "peace lovin'" cowards abroad.

Because the only conceivable path to victory for Russia lies through confused people like you. That's their only hope, that "mayflies" of the world would get their way and force Ukraine to grudgingly accept partial, and inevitably later full occupation. Because there can't be peace, any ceasefire would be just that, pause and delay getting Russians time to regroup and recuperate, to renew offensive then. On Ukraine, on other "rightfully their lands" on Europe.

I know you don't care, you just don't want to be disturbed by the noise you don't understand.

 

[mayfly13]

Or rather, response to decolonization maps of Russia itself, many of which have lately circulated, and most are likewise pure wishful thinking, as inspirational they could be. However, lately there's been quite pro-Kremlin voices wondering would this situation lead to, like, seven way all-on-all civil war in their own empire, might they risk admit the defeat they are suffering.

Although that noise could just be another way to try to scare "peace lovin'" cowards abroad.

Because the only conceivable path to victory for Russia lies through confused people like you. That's their only hope, that "mayflies" of the world would get their way and force Ukraine to grudgingly accept partial, and inevitably later full occupation. Because there can't be peace, any ceasefire would be just that, pause and delay getting Russians time to regroup and recuperate, to renew offensive then. On Ukraine, on other "rightfully their lands" on Europe.

I know you don't care, you just don't want to be disturbed by the noise you don't understand.

mark my words.
That's how it will end: through partial or semi-full occupation, and hundreds of thousands, or close to a million of dead Ukrainians. .

Had Ukraine agreed to let go of Crimeea and Donbas, the inevitable would have happened with fewer lives and territories lost. You DON'T fight a power like Russia, you negotiate.

 

[mayfly13]

Hey mayfly13..... if I may trouble you? How would the United States benefit from gutting the economy of the eu?.... (this is new) hopefully this doesn't come across as being a smart ass.... I am rather curious.....

WAR

Some people are saying that this time (on Biden's watch) the war was a mere miscalculation
--Zelensky won the elections based on his platform of allowing Donbas's autonomy to end the war, unfortunately the Azov battalion opposed him.
--And Biden recently said that when Russia surrounded Ukraine last year, he tried to talk Zelensky into making compromises to avoid the war, but this time, Zelensky said "no",

Had they negotiated with Russia and let go of Crimea and Donbas last year, everything (the carnage, economic crashes) could have been avoided. It's insane to think that anyone could beat Tsarist Russia, who never hesitated to sacrifice millions of it;s own people to the altar of Imperialism, and has the bomb.
As a result of going to war instead of compromise-negotiating, they will end up losing even more territories to Russia.

And what would have been the big deal of letting go of Crimea and Donbas (two Russian majority) territories anyway? Didn't Poland, Hungary, Czechs and Romania let go of theirs to Ukraine too? And Crimea was aways Russian, till it was gifted on a whim.
Now Ukraine will end up letting go of even more territories.



SANCTIONS

the resuts of BOTH Russia's aggression and of Biden's sanctions are now
---economic decline in 2nd and 3rd world countries, and the fall of the EU from 1.5 US dollars, to 1 US dollar.
--Meanwhile, Russia is still able to sell it's energy resources to countries like India and so on.

These are not just mere miscalculations, I can't believe that Biden's economic advisors were so incompetent, to not foresee this clusterfuck.

 

[mayfly13]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYmvF5vX0AgyRFq?format=jpg&name=large

how imbecilic lol

most laypeople are frustrated & saying that this is a disaster
you guys are still playing with your Lego figurines

 

[LupusDei]

how imbecilic lol

most laypeople are frustrated & saying that this is a disaster
you guys are still playing with your Lego figurines

Disaster for Russia indeed. Your crying as good an indicator to that than this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1553653172438269952

 

[LupusDei]

I may be in mood to discuss Ukrainian failures somewhere around late October to mid November. Yes, because of the soft deadline possibly coming up in September.

Had Ukraine agreed to let go of Crimeea and Donbas, the inevitable would have happened with fewer lives and territories lost. You DON'T fight a power like Russia, you negotiate.

Had Russia be content with those... they had all but won that back in mid-February. All they had to do was to continue what they were doing, stay on the border in imposing stance; Ukraine would suffer dearly until forced to accept that much. There would be little to no support for Ukraine in that. Just about anyone was ready to let it be. Possibly by right about now it would be all over, the war won without hardly a shot fired (some usual limited arty dueling along the Donetsk line not counting).

Ideas that Ukraine might have, in foreseeable future attack Donbas (even less Crimea) are nonsense, of course.

But the "negotiations" of Russia with the west was mere bullshit, and at most opportunistical attempts to extract concessions before going for the war. That decision was already made, rumor has it signed at January 18, belying those seemingly stated goals as excuses and third-party rationalizations. Actually, they haven't even lied, they had it out right away loud and clear their goal is no less that complete elimination of Ukraine as state, nation and identity. No matter of negotiation could possibly cover that (perhaps with a slave soul like you, mayfly13, it actually could, but that's outside of my comprehension).

Anyway, actually attacking was the single gravest mistake they have ever done.

Re: Sanctions. Newsflash, quite some of those only come in power starting next year. So crying about their perceived failure is ridiculous.

Crimea was aways Russian,

You're knowingly repeating lies. Crimea is demonstrably less "always been Russian" than Kharkiv, or even Kyiv itself for that matter.

That Sevastopol has been Russian fleet base for quite a time and that's the most rational material reason for the war we are in (at least) the eight year in, that's another matter entirely. But as discussed above, rational material goals hardly matter at this point.

 

[Rightguide]

or it's a reminder that the longer the war goes on, the smaller Ukraine gets.

Ukraine is the victim of two psychopaths-- Russia and the US.
It's only genuine allies are EU countries and the UK.

US would benefit as much as Russia would, from gutting the EU economy and currency. I wouldn't be surprised if that's their other -more covert- end goal, besides weakening Russia.

That would hold true if the Russians weren't losing equipment, men, and ground.

 

[mayfly13]

hey Lupus

how many Lithuanians have died in this war
how many lay-Ukrainians

at least Americans are giving away their money
what sacrifices have You guys made