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UCE said:
Oh POO! TOTAL POO!

Good lord, he's being even more of a child than I thought he was if he's avoiding _your_ personal thread simply because I also post in it. I've got him on ignore, which means I cannot see or respond to anything he writes, therefore there's no reason for him not to post here--except to cop an attitude to try to get back at me through punishing one of the few people I talk to on here (you)? Pretty passive-agressive little tactic if you ask me! Sorry Rosco, but I really don't think you should let him use you as a pawn with his ridiculous little war with me! As for our feud, I didn't start the fire. This fight is not equal. Every goddamn thing I said to him earned a grumpy, disgrutled, angry, or accusative remark from him. And the hostility began to escalate--each remark to my friendly or neutral comment got a little bit nastier. I just got fed up with the childish attitude and decided to plug my ears! It wasn't JERKISH of me to put up with his constant shitting on me nor do I think it was JERKISH of me to finally pull the plug and say, OK BOZO, I've HAD IT with you! Would you let some female version of CBM follow you around insulting you left and right, without a single fucking slapdown? Sorry Rosco, but not being dominant, I don't like having to constantly slapdown somebody who's following me around acting like a braindead barracuda, I enjoy the blessed silence when I no longer hear the donkeys braying.

Unda

This bitch is completely obsessed with me. I haven't been avoiding anything. I was out in the field, and I didn't have time to kill, sitting around posting idly posting to Lit. Tell the crazy lady to continue to fixate on me. I find it amusing, in a pathetic sort of way.
 
rosco rathbone said:
If you had paid more attention you would know that I am alderman, town crier and sole member of the council of town fathers, not to mention mayor and all that shit.

I don't know about eve. Maybe professor emeritus for women's studies at Topopolis City University. Specialising in the plight of womens of color natch.

Now the cbm isn't going to post here anymore since you guys are feuding like idiots instead of recognizing that you are both highly perverse brilliant geeks in a world most unfriendly to same. Jerks, both of you.

The feud is entirely unilateral, old chap. I simply exposed her libelous trolling in another thread, and she had a hissy fit. I bear no animosity for UCE. However, I reserve the right to question anything publically posted. People object to my posts all of the time, but I don't have a fit about it.

PBW (whatever) and I never agree on anything. Yet, you won't find me calling him names. He, as am I, is entitled to his opinions. And anyone who can't take the heat of an open exchange of ideas in a public forum, should consider retiring to the anteroom.
 
rosco rathbone said:
I think we can all agree that the bang bus is the place to be.

I don't know if the black bride is assy enough for the cbm, but I like her.

ANyone who likes black bitches has to stop by the Jefferson Market NYPL branch on 6th Ave and 11th St. next time they are in NYC. It's like a Nubian princess convention in there, god only knows why.

Mr. Mayor, I must disagree. In my experience, the finest asses in NYC (limited to Libraries) are to be found in the immediate vicinity of the Aguilar Branch of the NYPL, on east 110th street. I need a drool bucket when in that neighborhood viewing sites like this ...
 
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Actually, cbm, I was talking about the hard hep in the Jefferson Market Branch, not the street scenery. As a library perv, I am all ears as far as bitches in the branches.

There is this one extremely princessy, long-braided Jamaican dance-hall-queen-Petra looking librarian at Jefferson Market with about a 70% Serena set of butt-cheeks. Elegant, sloe-eyed, firm-titted and altogether far too good for ordinary mortals: right up your alley I imagine. I always see her on weekday afternoons.

As far as goings on within the Topopolis city limits go, the sheriff has informed me that he doesn't give a fuckity fuck if the town bluesman pisses in dark corners in the stacks while reading Homer and Sacher-Masoch, or if the town librarian refers to the local itinerant musicians as "no-good pervy bums and sterno drunks" and drops slug nickels in the tin cup. I just think it's a damnshame that two sci fi fantasy geeks can't get along but whatever. The libertarian party won the election this month.

signor rathbonio
 
I am fumbling here, cbm, but my guess is that your current pic is an undead paladin wielding an artifact war-hammer.

I loved the black riders from LOTR one. They were perfect, pointy-ass black boots, hoods and all. I want to be an undead knight in the next life.
 
Cuckolded_BlK_Male said:
The feud is entirely unilateral, old chap. I simply exposed her libelous trolling in another thread...

I still don't know what thread you are talking about. I get pissed at so many people in many threads around here...as well as write nice things to people in many other threads, especially people who write nice things back (ahem!).

WERE you referring to that thread with the stuck up femdom who claimed that all little men could be wrapped around a woman's finger if she played their games? If so, I wasn't trolling, I was declaring all out war against her.

Unda
 
rosco rathbone said:
I am fumbling here, cbm, but my guess is that your current pic is an undead paladin wielding an artifact war-hammer.

I loved the black riders from LOTR one. They were perfect, pointy-ass black boots, hoods and all. I want to be an undead knight in the next life.

It's actually Lord Melkor (or as the elves called him Morgoth) so called by Tolkien "The Black enemy of the world." He was the master of Sauron and the Balrogs. The great Hammer is named "Grond." You can't tell in my AV, but the head of this hammer is supposed to be about the size of a Volkswagon. If you'll remember The great battering ram in "The Return of The King" is named for this hammer, which belonged to the God of the God of the host of Mordor.

I like the Nine Riders too ... but I thought they came off a little weaker in the movie than they were in the books.
 
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This data must have come from the Silimarion or some other secondary source which I have never consulted. I am ashamed to admit that the only Balrogs I ever heard of was the one in that awesome scene from the first book. In a way, I find it a bit lame that Tolkien needed a mega-mega bad guy to be the boss of Sauron. At what point does the infinite regress of evil bosses end? I mean bigger is always better and such. but I already imagined the first Balrog to be about 50 feet tall. Now I have to rescale everything. I dunno. Did I mention I love Gandalf and all wizards? The only thing better than going about in a pointy hat and long white beard would be to be riding about on a black horse in a black hood with skeletal hands and a decaying venomous sword.
 
rosco rathbone said:
Did I mention I love Gandalf and all wizards? The only thing better than going about in a pointy hat and long white beard would be to be riding about on a black horse in a black hood with skeletal hands and a decaying venomous sword.

LOL, read the Harry Potter books, Rosco. NOW! Pointy hatted wizzes galore!
 
rosco rathbone said:
This data must have come from the Silimarion or some other secondary source which I have never consulted. I am ashamed to admit that the only Balrogs I ever heard of was the one in that awesome scene from the first book. In a way, I find it a bit lame that Tolkien needed a mega-mega bad guy to be the boss of Sauron. At what point does the infinite regress of evil bosses end?

It's really funny that you mentioned that, because I actually didn't like the Silmarillion for that very reason. I read it far too long ago to remember details, but I think there are like 10 ranks of bosses above Sauron. That really took away from the idea of him being the supreme representation of evil that he is in the Lord of The Rings series for me.
 
All right, I think we can pretty much rename this town geekopolis without fear of being too far off the mark.
 
Snort! It seems like everyplace I go becomes "geekopolis." I wonder why that is?
 
rosco rathbone said:
This data must have come from the Silimarion or some other secondary source which I have never consulted. I am ashamed to admit that the only Balrogs I ever heard of was the one in that awesome scene from the first book. In a way, I find it a bit lame that Tolkien needed a mega-mega bad guy to be the boss of Sauron. At what point does the infinite regress of evil bosses end? I mean bigger is always better and such. but I already imagined the first Balrog to be about 50 feet tall. Now I have to rescale everything. I dunno. Did I mention I love Gandalf and all wizards? The only thing better than going about in a pointy hat and long white beard would be to be riding about on a black horse in a black hood with skeletal hands and a decaying venomous sword.

Well, Melkor was the first Dark Lord. He is analogous to Lucifer in Judeo-Christian mythos. He was the most powerful of the Valar (equivalent to Arch Angels) and given the greatest knowledge of the creation of the Universe. He, however, didn't care for playing the part of slave and "gofer" to Iluvatar. He sought to introduce his own themes into the creation of the Universe ... blah blah blah ... He fell from grace.

Sauron was his chief disciple and Lieutenant when he was the Dark Lord on earth. Melkor overthrew the lamps of the Valar (which lit the world before the sun), poisoned the Two Trees, from the last fruit of which the Sun and the Moon were made, with the help of Ungoliant. He also stole the Simarils (with contained the light of the Two Trees) and placed them on the Iron crown depicted in my AV.

As to the Balrog, that is a source of much contention. Most LOTRs purist would say that the Balrog was pictured all wrong in the movie. There is nothing in the writings of Tolkien that implies that they were anywhere near the size of "The Balrog" in the movie. They were creatures of shadow and flame and they exuded terror. Most purist similarly agree that the Balrogs did not have wings. Here is Tolkiens own description of the Balrog who fought Gandalf on The Bridge of Khazad-dûm, in "FOTR." The Balrogs are mentioned a couple of other times in the Quenta Silmarillion.

"What it was could not be seen: it was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man-shape, maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and to go before it."

Here is an artist's depiction of The Lord of the Balrogs
And ... what I believe to be the Balrog (a different Balrog) from the FOTR Movie.
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Neither of these representations completely jibe with the text of "Fellowship of the Ring," but they look awfully cool.



Interestingly, The Balrogs, Sauron, Gandalf and the other Ishtari (Wizards) were all the same kind of being. They were lesser immortal spirits called Maiar. (that is lesser than the Valar, who were like the Olympian gods)
 
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Cuckolded_BlK_Male said:
Well, Melkor was the first Dark Lord. He is analogous to Lucifer in Judeo-Christian mythos. He was the most powerful of the Valar (equivalent to Arch Angels) and given the greatest knowledge of the creation of the Universe. He, however, didn't care for playing the part of slave and "gofer" to Iluvatar. He sought to introduce his own themes into the creation of the Universe ... blah blah blah ... He fell from grace.

Sauron was his chief disciple and Lieutenant when he was the Dark Lord on earth. Melkor overthrew the lamps of the Valar (which lit the world before the sun), poisoned the Two Trees, from the last fruit of which the Sun and the Moon were made, with the help of Ungoliant. He also stole the Simarils (with contained the light of the Two Trees) and placed them on the Iron crown depicted in my AV.

As to the Balrog, that is a source of much contention. Most LOTRs purist would say that the Balrog was pictured all wrong in the movie. There is nothing in the writings of Tolkien that implies that they were anywhere near the size of "The Balrog" in the movie. They were creatures of shadow and flame and they exuded terror. Most purist similarly agree that the Balrogs did not have wings. Here is Tolkiens own description of the Balrog who fought Gandalf on The Bridge of Khazad-dûm, in "FOTR." The Balrogs are mentioned a couple of other times in the Quenta Silmarillion.



Here is an artist's depiction of The Lord of the Balrogs
http://www.via.ecp.fr/~jm/musee/howe/balrog.jpg

And ... what I believe to be the Balrog (a different Balrog) from the FOTR Movie.
Balrog

Neither of these representations completely jibe with the text of "Fellowship of the Ring," but the look awfully cool.



Interestingly, The Balrogs, Sauron, Gandalf and the other Ishtari (Wizards) were all the same kind of being. They were lesser immortal spirits called Maiar. (that is lesser than the Valar, who were like the Olympian gods)

Great links! I think that they did a good job of the Balrog when it came to the part about being a creature of shadow and flame. However, I agree that it was way bigger than it should have been.

I also didn't realize that the Ishtari were identified as being Maia, although I thought it anyway.

As for Melkor and Sauron, I think it works. It took the Valar to bring Melkor down, so it fits that Sauron would be a lesser level of god, and therefore, that elves and men would be able to defeat him without breaking the world as the Valar did against Melkor (also referred to as Morgoth).
 
rosco rathbone said:
This data must have come from the Silimarion or some other secondary source which I have never consulted. I am ashamed to admit that the only Balrogs I ever heard of was the one in that awesome scene from the first book. In a way, I find it a bit lame that Tolkien needed a mega-mega bad guy to be the boss of Sauron. At what point does the infinite regress of evil bosses end? I mean bigger is always better and such. but I already imagined the first Balrog to be about 50 feet tall. Now I have to rescale everything. I dunno. Did I mention I love Gandalf and all wizards? The only thing better than going about in a pointy hat and long white beard would be to be riding about on a black horse in a black hood with skeletal hands and a decaying venomous sword.

The buck stops with Melkor. He was not only the Supreme representation of Evil (or free will) in the Universe, he was THE most powerful single being aside from Iluvatar (GOD) himself.

Tolkien wrote the notes that would become the Quenta Silmarillion long before LOTR. So, it's not like he back peddled on the extent of Sauron's power. Sauron was always a servant of Melkor ... well ... technically, he was Aulë's (another god-like Valar) first. Aulë taught Sauron the making of artifacts ... like for instance ... rings.

My favorite character in LOTR (Tom Bombadil) didn't even appear in the movie, which is why I've only seen it once. However, I intend to call off from work tomorrow night, so that I can see "The Two Towers" at the midnight showing. (That should be a real Geek-fest) I may even dress up as the Lord of the Nazgûl.
 
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zipman7 said:
Great links! I think that they did a good job of the Balrog when it came to the part about being a creature of shadow and flame. However, I agree that it was way bigger than it should have been.

I also didn't realize that the Ishtari were identified as being Maia, although I thought it anyway.

As for Melkor and Sauron, I think it works. It took the Valar to bring Melkor down, so it fits that Sauron would be a lesser level of god, and therefore, that elves and men would be able to defeat him without breaking the world as the Valar did against Melkor (also referred to as Morgoth).

I agree ... Men, Elves and and a certain Istari (I spelled it incorrectly before.) Also, I don't think that people who haven't read the Quenta Simarillion realize how powerful or old those elves are.

From the Encyclopedia of Arda:
Olórin:
A Maia of the people of Manwë and Varda, Olórin was said to be one of the wisest of his order. He came to Middle-earth in the Third Age in the guise better known as Gandalf.
 
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