Tony Gets Tough!

[Liar]

JOI: What is the problem with deporting foreign nationals? They are here on our sufferance and quite frankly, I'm delighted to see legislation that with deport those who don't see it as a privilege.

You don't like Britain? Right, then fuck off somewhere else. You either make some attempt at integration and peaceable living, or you don't stay in the country. If you've got a bent for an Islamic state, there's one called Iran, just one flight away.

The Earl

A minor objection: If you've got a bent for an Islamic state, be my guest and try to convert every citizen. But do it in a peaceful, legal manner.

Other than that...right on. A foreign national who commits serious felonies (recruiting terrorists should at least be considered conspiracy to murder) could be deported. I'd prefer to put him behind bars so that he can be kept an eye on though.

 

[CharleyH]

You dare accuse me of being racist? I find it amusing because I know you and know you don't mean to be insulting, but I'd be mortally offended if that came from a stranger.

I don't judge people on their naitonality. I don't judge people on their skin. I don't judge people on their religion. If you were an Arabian and you were getting grief, then yes, I would stick up for you. I would not assume your guilt for the colour of your skin and I'm slightly disappointed that you think so little of me.

The Earl

You said it Earl. You explained it. Not me, and you know I love you but ... look up, way up (as the green giant says) and then see what is said.

 

[Liar]

You said it Earl. You explained it. Not me, and you know I love you but ... look up, way up (as the green giant says) and then see what is said.

Uh...ok? Whydontcha just spell it out, instead of being flip about it? Cause I honestly can't see what you're trying to say.

 

[CharleyH]

Uh...ok? Whydontcha just spell it out, instead of being flip about it? Cause I honestly can't see what you're trying to say.

Look up and read what he himself says - I am being kind and its a Canuck saturday morning cartoon thingy I reference, ok! Or are you refering to his bogus posts about .... other things

 

[Liar]

Look up and read what he himself says - I am being kind and its a Canuck saturday morning cartoon thingy I reference, ok! Or are you refering to his bogus posts about .... other things

Mmkay... I repeat:

Whydontcha just spell it out, instead of being flip about it? Cause I honestly can't see what you're trying to say.

Don't be 'fraid, you can do it. Okie?

 

[TheEarl]

I think she's insinuating that I'm in favour of deporting every foreign national, or deporting every Muslim, or every Arabian or something. Which I can't recall ever saying.

The Earl

 

[CharleyH]

Mmkay... I repeat:

Whydontcha just spell it out, instead of being flip about it? Cause I honestly can't see what you're trying to say.

Don't be 'fraid, you can do it. Okie?

OK quoting Unless people edited

 

[CharleyH]

I'm in favour of the movement. There are non-British citizens, who are actively recruiting terrorist cells in Britain. If they are not British citizens, then they are here at our pleasure and if they are fomenting revolt, then that pleasure should be revoked tout suit.

I have no problem with deporting trouble-making foreign nationals.

The Earl

I am not beyond contradiction myself Although I get the humour.

 

[CharleyH]

JOI: What is the problem with deporting foreign nationals? They are here on our sufferance and quite frankly, I'm delighted to see legislation that with deport those who don't see it as a privilege.

You don't like Britain? Right, then fuck off somewhere else. You either make some attempt at integration and peaceable living, or you don't stay in the country. If you've got a bent for an Islamic state, there's one called Iran, just one flight away.

The Earl

Nice, still funny. But not.

 

[TheEarl]

I am not beyond contradiction myself Although I get the humour.

I don't get where I've contradicted mysefl. I'm not recommending deporting every foreign national. Only those who foment revolt and terrorism.

I'm in favour of the movement. There are non-British citizens, who are actively recruiting terrorist cells in Britain. If they are not British citizens, then they are here at our pleasure and if they are fomenting revolt, then that pleasure should be revoked tout suit.

I have no problem with deporting trouble-making foreign nationals.

The Earl

Tell me where I have suggested a blanket deport, or discrimination against any group. Please do not put words into my mouth.

The Earl

 

[CharleyH]

Charley - why should we be tolerant of foreign nationals living here? It is a privilege to live in this country for non-British citizens. They have no actual right to be here.

And frankly if they don't act like guests, then we shouldn't be putting them up. It is not to much to expect a guest not to recruit for terrorist cells and preach hatred, is it?

Take Abu Hamza (the world's most famous immigrant). He's an Egyptian citizen and has no visa to be in England. He lives in London and claims social security, with no intention of ever working. In his spare time, he give vitriolic speeches, declaring fatwa on Britain and inviting people to blow up innocent civilians for the greater good of his warped version of Islam (presumably the one with the Koran that missed out the 'Thou shalt not kill' section).

Why should we not remove him to his country of origin?

The Earl

Devils advocate ok

 

[TheEarl]

JOI: What is the problem with deporting foreign nationals? They are here on our sufferance and quite frankly, I'm delighted to see legislation that with deport those who don't see it as a privilege.

You don't like Britain? Right, then fuck off somewhere else. You either make some attempt at integration and peaceable living, or you don't stay in the country. If you've got a bent for an Islamic state, there's one called Iran, just one flight away.

The Earl

Never once suggested getting rid of everyone. Just those that foment revolt.

The Earl

 

[CharleyH]

I don't get where I've contradicted mysefl. I'm not recommending deporting every foreign national. Only those who foment revolt and terrorism.


The Earl

ONLY is the point Earl. ALL OF US DO! WHAT is the big deal? Until it is you?

 

[TheEarl]

Charley - why should we be tolerant of foreign nationals living here? It is a privilege to live in this country for non-British citizens. They have no actual right to be here.

And frankly if they don't act like guests, then we shouldn't be putting them up. It is not to much to expect a guest not to recruit for terrorist cells and preach hatred, is it?

Take Abu Hamza (the world's most famous immigrant). He's an Egyptian citizen and has no visa to be in England. He lives in London and claims social security, with no intention of ever working. In his spare time, he give vitriolic speeches, declaring fatwa on Britain and inviting people to blow up innocent civilians for the greater good of his warped version of Islam (presumably the one with the Koran that missed out the 'Thou shalt not kill' section).

Why should we not remove him to his country of origin?

The Earl

The Earl

 

[Guest]

That is the point Earl. ALL OF US DO! WHAT is the big deal?

You really need a serious spanking, you know that?

I'll cuff you and let the guys have at it.

 

[Liar]

Ok, I'm more stumped than ever.

You still haven't spelled anything out.
You may think it (whatever it is) is obvious.
Trust me, it's not.

First rule of discussion. If you can't make the imbecile (in this case, me) understand, the imbecile wins.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. Play nice, Lit-izens.

 

[TheEarl]

That is the point Earl. ALL OF US DO! WHAT is the big deal?

You appear to not want to deport those who foment revolt from these posts.
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Ya'all have been destroying yourselves for hundreds of years. Tell me the difference now?

Earl. I honestly live in a city with many fuck ups. Do I care? No - why? There as many fuck ups otherwise. Do I care? Why should I? Life everyday is filled with potential - life and death. Care of a terrorist? Why? What can they do but create fear? You post that point. Hate? No - fear - yes. Think about it .

If you want exactly what I've been saying, then why are you arguing? Is it because you've completely misread my posts and tried to put words into my mouth?

The Earl

 

[TheEarl]

ONLY is the point Earl. ALL OF US DO! WHAT is the big deal? Until it is you?

Ah, you edited. A more apposite question, but still fairly formless. I'm not actually planning on fomenting revolt at the moment, so I think I'm fairly safe.

The Earl

 

[CharleyH]

The Earl

As I forementioned the British invasion of, well almost everything. Come ON EARL! Working and not? So the 23 % on welfare are what? LOL. I can't even argue with your contradictory dumb ass statements, except with ... well equally dumb ass statements

speaking of asses, Sarah has a nice croppable one (I heard that)

 

[CharleyH]

Ah, you edited. A
The Earl

I edit for spelling - never sentiment I still think you are hot

 

[TheEarl]

As I forementioned the British invasion of, well almost everything. Come ON EARL! Working and not? So the 23 % on welfare are what? LOL. I can't even argue with your contradictory dumb ass statements, except with equallyy dumb ass statements

speaking of asses, Sarah has a nice croppable one (I heard that)

So, hang on, let's break this down. Why do you think that Abu Hamza, a cleric without a visa, without British citizenship, without a job and with a healthy desire to blow up innocent British people and with a healthy record of fomenting terrorism, should not be deported?

The Earl

 

[Guest]

As I forementioned the British invasion of, well almost everything. Come ON EARL! Working and not? So the 23 % on welfare are what? LOL. I can't even argue with your contradictory dumb ass statements, except with ... well equally dumb ass statements

speaking of asses, Sarah has a nice croppable one (I heard that)

Leave my cropped ass outta this. It's yours that needs to be beaten raw.

 

[CharleyH]

So, hang on, let's break this down. Why do you think that Abu Hamza, a cleric without a visa, without British citizenship, without a job and with a healthy desire to blow up innocent British people and with a healthy record of fomenting terrorism, should not be deported?

The Earl

You are really asking me this right? LOL

Tommorrow, love, I will answer. Tonight lets have fun - get laid - or SPANK SARAH! Or in Europe - Sleep

 

[amicus]

"...Tony Gets Tough!

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After such heavy and continuous criticism of American Homeland Security and the Patriot Act, Amicus notes the lack of comment from the usual suspects...."



The point of that very small thread starting statement was to point out that Europeans in general and many on Literotica's Author's hangout, have chastized the Bush administration for such things as profiling Arab looking people as potential terrorists.

Further warning that the many items in the Patriot act would result in the loss of personal freedom and individual privacy.

I think Charley is chastizing the Earl in that he appears to make the same argument for increased security and precautions, such as deportation of suspected terrorists, as has been made in the United States following 9/11 and are now being made in GB following 7/7/05.

Not being or playing Devils Advocate, but since I have had an FBI file on me since the mid 1960's; have written and published a book advocating the use of force to overthrow the government of the United States...even Amicus becomes a little concerned when they decided to extend and make permanent those laws included in the Patriot Act and Homeland Security.

I think most of the measures are necessary to provide as much security as possible but I am not comfortable knowing they are now permanent measures.

I also flinch at interviews with both Republicans and Democrats who insist we must have a National ID card and that Mandatory National Service for two years should be required of every citizen when they reach age 18.

I read but did not post on the thread concerning Intelligent Design, another attempt by the religious nuts to get creationism taught in the public school system.

Even as a study vairous religions it should be reserved until the college years.

Faith of any kind cannot be allowed in public institutions if we are to maintain separation of church and state.

(Now youse guys can be mad at me and not each other. Okay? Deal?)


amicus...

 

[CharleyH]

Leave my cropped ass outta this. It's yours that needs to be beaten raw.

LOL yet yours lover, is a much more beautiful flog (AND LIKE EVER! LOL - in your dreams!)