The Buffy thread, so as not to spoil the 'If they wrote porn'

[TheEarl]

I don't disagree with what you've said, but I do disagree.

Perhaps it is more my personal interpretation of evil. To me, it is a very "cold", premeditated thing. Spike perpetrated abominable acts, true, but he had no agenda; it was all heat of the moment and so gleeful that I never perceived his character as evil. There were no evil machinations in Spike. He didn't set acts into motion and see how they would hurt people; he wanted to dive into the fray simply for the joy of the fight. He wanted to hurt people, but it was all very hands on; he wasn't emotionally manipulative. Again, I come back to the description "child-like". He acted, with no regard to how it was going to hurt someone, but he didn't sit at home and dream up ways to terrorize the masses.

Evil acts: I agree.

Evil character: I disagree.

SPIKE: Do you have any idea what I'm capable of? ... I'm talking about me. You've never met the real me.
BUFFY: Believe me, I'm well aware of what you're capable of.
SPIKE: No. You got off easy too. <stands up> Do you know how much blood you can drink from a girl before she'll die? I do. You see, the trick is to drink just enough, to know how to damage them just enough, so that they'll still cry, when you... <cuts off in pain, then snorts and laughs self-mockingly> Cause it's not worth it if they don't cry.
BUFFY: It's not your fault. You're not the one doing this.
SPIKE: I already did it. It's already done. You wanna know what I've done to girls Dawn's age? This is me Buffy.

The Earl

 

[Svenskaflicka]

SPIKE: Do you have any idea what I'm capable of? ... I'm talking about me. You've never met the real me.
BUFFY: Believe me, I'm well aware of what you're capable of.
SPIKE: No. You got off easy too. <stands up> Do you know how much blood you can drink from a girl before she'll die? I do. You see, the trick is to drink just enough, to know how to damage them just enough, so that they'll still cry, when you... <cuts off in pain, then snorts and laughs self-mockingly> Cause it's not worth it if they don't cry.
BUFFY: It's not your fault. You're not the one doing this.
SPIKE: I already did it. It's already done. You wanna know what I've done to girls Dawn's age? This is me Buffy.

The Earl

He's not really evil, he's just misunderstood. I can change him.

 

[rgraham666]

He's not really evil, he's just misunderstood. I can change him.

I can. (Shucks my shotgun and empties a Dragonsbreath round into him)

 

[Recidiva]

I can. (Shucks my shotgun and empties a Dragonsbreath round into him)

NOT Spike. No. Nonono.

Mine.

Not your Spike. MY Spike.

 

[rgraham666]

Sooorry! I let him finish with you and then he's mine.

Actually, I rather liked Spike. He certainly did have a certain je nais se quois. (sp?)

I identified with Angel. My nature bugs me a lot too.

 

[Recidiva]

Sooorry! I let him finish with you and then he's mine.

Actually, I rather liked Spike. He certainly did have a certain je nais se quois. (sp?)

I identified with Angel. My nature bugs me a lot too.

I liked them all. I just wished people would stop torturing themselves over being themselves and get on with it. That's what I liked the most about Spike and the least about Angel. Seems that Joss Whedon just had some serious problems with actually being happy. I mean, I knew it was a drama, but really. Couldn't we have SOMETHING to look forward to? Just a little something? Someone being happy, even through a window? Some role model of someone saying "Here I am being happy for more than five minutes at a time, I know how to do it! Look at me! Look at me! I can do it, I can reproduce it, I can defend it!"

No, we all must hate ourselves, have deep-seated fears that keep us stuck and pay huge unpayable and unconfrontable sacrificial prices.

Though one of my favorite lines from Angel was something like "A Champion doesn't show the world what it is, they show the world what it could be." Right on Joss, write more of that shit. With happy people next time and not so much with the bleeding.

 

[MissBri]

 

[TheEarl]

I have to say I did like Angel/Buffy. That scene in Amends is wonderfully written and one of the rare occasions of both Boreaneaz and Gellar acting well at the same time.

The Earl

 

[Recidiva]

Personally I would have preferred Willow staying straight and Spike turning her and them both wreaking havoc.

Would have suited me.

 

[MissBri]

 

[MissBri]

 

[Recidiva]

Mmmmm...that'd definitely be hot, though I wouldn't have wanted to miss out on Will with her girls.

Pft. I doubt they would have been closed minded.

 

[MissBri]

 

[Recidiva]

I doubt that even in Whedon-world we would have gotten to see vampy Will with Spike AND Tara.

That's why my mind is such a beautiful place! Everyone gets to be happy here!

 

[MissBri]

 

[Recidiva]

Can I come visit?

Yes! Unreasonable expectations are allowed!

 

[MissBri]

 

[Recidiva]

Woohoo!

*does the "visiting Recidiva's mind" dance*

*sings*
"You make me coffee..."

*giggles*

I think I love you.

Good. The more people that do that, the better, as far as I am concerned.

Again, unreasonable expectations not a problem.

Is it too much to ask to have people entertain us at every turn?

No!

 

[MissBri]

 

[Recidiva]

Does that mean we can frolic in a big ol' bathtub full of red wine?

Definitely!

We can snorkel!

 

[MissBri]

 

[Recidiva]

Hmmm...that's a new addition!

I'm pretty pale...I wonder if I'd be stained pink after playing in wine for a few hours...

I have low blood pressure and the sun hurts. So probably.

I think I'm technically dead anyway.

 

[MissBri]

 

[Recidiva]

*hops back on topic*

Since we're frolicking in your mind, we can have bathtubs full of wine AND Spike n' Willow. Mmmm, dead...

And Tara! She's dead!

 

[MissBri]