No, really...

[Guest]

Muff, you gave one helluva examply of being unkind. That really reduces his credibility, and that's a difficult hole to dig out of.

I always wonder if those types of posts even have meaning behind them. Are they total bullshit? Does he really feel that hatred inside? I hope not.

 

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[P. B. Walker]

No, actually, PB, that's not the reason I rather don't like Lance. I rather don't like Lance because of his predilection for sexually attacking women on the board when he's losing the argument.

I do not like Lance because he sexually attacked me.

Anything else would have been just one of those things, but that's not what he did.

You were there, bud bud. You watched him repeatedly and with malice sexually attack women who did not agree with him and do not bend to his will.

Then he had the gross bad manners to PM me about a rape thread, reach some sort of amicable truce, and then turn around and sexually attack me again. He never apologized, he never acknowledged that he did it, he never did anything remotely human in that regard. Which would all be water under the bridge and forgotten but for two things. 1) I actually had to ask him to quit attacking me sexually and 2) he attacks other females around here sexually without thought.

I'm no angel in all of this either. I don't expect an apology or anything. What I do expect is to be treated with a modicum of respect due to every person who types a word in this place. There is no such thing as mutual respect to Lance. The only thing he will accept is a bowing down and kissing of his ass.

The only way Lance will ever get my respect again is if Lance publicly proves that he can provide mutual and equal respect to even the people he considers his good friends.

And if you'd go back and read that thread, PB, you'd see that I was arguing asshole's side, not cym's.

Is it possible to sexual attack someone with the written word? I mean really, come on. This is a porn site. Sexual comments and innuendos are flying around this place left and right. People are coming onto people with almost every post. I think we all know this and accept it. You have to if you are going to come here and post. I'm pretty sure I saw most of the things he said to you, and I can't see how you would classify those as a sexual attack. Now, I will wholeheartedly agree that he offended you. Hell, that's clearly obvious. But to go as far as to say he sexually assaulted you... that's a bit far in my (humble) opinion. I don't think anyone's sensibilities are that fragile, but I could be wrong.

What I saw was someone going the extra mile to win the fight. We all make choices about how far we are willing to go to win the many tiffs that pop up around here. Sometimes our decisions are based on the person we are having the tiff with. Sometimes, it's all about what the fight is about. Would you resort to the tactics Lance used? Maybe... if winning was that important. And let's be pretty clear... I really think alot of what he said and did was just that... a tactic. Much of what he did, he knew would just set people off.

What does respect have to do with anything? Do you not discuss with people unless you respect them? In that case, I wouldn't discuss shit with 2/3rds of the people here. And respect isn't given, it's earned... and in different ways and for different things.

And if you'd go back and read that thread, PB, you'd see that I was arguing asshole's side, not cym's.

I read back to the posts in this thread, and I don't see what this comment is about. Maybe you have me confused with another person, or topic, or something.

Thanks for giving a real opinion though. I am happy someone at least stepped forward and explained it to me instead of just expanding the normal amount of fluff and sick jokes about Artful's passing.

PBW

 

[perks]

I hate everyone, just some less than others.

 

[Rambling Rose]

Lance - sometimes it's the only way to pop a boil.

 

[lavender]

I don't think what he is trying to pop is a boil.

 

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[P. B. Walker]

This here is such a load of horse shit. Ginny said already that she knew nothing more than the guy's name in passing. Just like you or any one else doesn't know everything about everyone. Do you know anything about my health? Propbably not and you see me posting on a regular basis, Ginny saw Artful posting on a less than regular basis, yet you assume she must have known that he had been ill the last 2-3 months and must have passed away. Forget the fact that Lance almost never has something serious as a sig line, which he himself pointed out, as well as Ginny and Tortoise. Personally, I didn't even know the guy's name and I also thought it was a reference to some debate or another that this Artful person had lost to Lance.

I saw no holier than thou attitude in Ginny's response, and she did say that she had made a comment in poor judgment, only she didn't use those exact words. The attitude she did bring was directed at Bad Kitty, obviously Ginny has some knowledge of Mrs. Kitty's posting style that she felt warranted the attitude, I've personally seen Mrs. Kitty say completely rude things to people based on no actual personal knowledge of said people in the past, she is no Saint and either are you.

The term 'kicked the bucket' is pretty widely used where I come from as well, and I assume Ginny is not Canadian, so hey if it's used where she comes from and also where I come from, then maybe it's you who has been left out of the loop. Ginny made a perfectly relevant point with the " Has Bob Hope kicked the bucket yet?" Comment. Sad but true, the term is tossed around rather lightly for such things, but you know, when you think about it, is " Yeah, I fucked Amanda* last night' really any less rude?

It seems to me as though you are the one bringing in a holier than thou attitude here. Have you stopped to think that maybe Ginny really didn't have a clue who he was or that he had been sick or passed on for that matter? If you did think about it, then your comments are way out of line, if you didn't think about it, then you should start thinking harder before you go yapping your trap off.

And comparing Hanns and Ginny is just plain ridiculous, grow up.

Oh bull fucking shit!!!

Yes, she might not have know Artful personally. Yes, Lance makes jokes in his Sig line. Yes, she might not have followed Artful's post count. But, lemme ask you? Would you take the chance of making such a sick comment if there was even the remoted chance that someone had passed away? Would you take the chance of coming off as a COMPLETE and UTTER fucking prick just to make a joke and possibly from what it appears make fun of Lance? Do ya'll hate Lance that much that you'd make a twisted joke about someone else's dying?

If I didn't know you and someone mentioned something about your health in any shape or form, guess what? I wouldn't be making fucking jokes about it until I knew the entire picture. Got it?

And yes, "kicking the bucket" is a common term. But it refers to the person in such a way that you are happy to see them gone. Ie., they were a fucking waste of space and I'm glad they are gone. It's a sick way to refer to a good person passing.

I have no clue who the fuck you are talking about with that "Amanda" comment. You obviously are on drugs. <-- that's a fucking joke.

Ginny totally came off as holier-than-thou. First she jumps down the throat of the person that said she was rude, then she tries to push the spot light way from her by attacking another board member. Then she gives us a bunch of shit about why she should be able to make such a comment just because she didn't "know". That's crap. Do you still get arrested for breaking laws you don't know about it? YES. If she didn't know the fucking situation she shouldn't have fucking made a joke about it. End of frickin story. There is NO defense. So shut it.

And trust me I don't have a holier-than-thou attitude. I have a "what a bunch of fucking sick motherfuckers you are" attitude.

PBW "Cocksucking bitch."

 

[P. B. Walker]

Open your eyes.

Shut your fucking hole.

 

[lavender]

I don't care for Ginny. Ginny doesn't care for me. Ginny will badmouth me, she did earlier today.

But, what she said was totally not bad. Lance would joke about something like that. He was one of the first on the Tantanah bandwagon. He was rude and spiteful to Rambrat about the whole thing. Lance has not liked dream (I don't either) and has made numerous comments about her. Considering a fake death and Lance's use of jokes from time to time, I feel Ginny's comments were not spiteful or rude.

I don't think she meant anything negative by them.

I don't know what Lance's intentions were in his sigline. I don't think they were mean, to be honest. But who knows.

 

[Lancecastor]

Rebuttal

I almost forget that it's okay for you to go on a rampage about me every full moon and say whatever filth about me that pops into your head.

But then the moon waxes again...and off you go.

A few words in response to set the record straight (again):

1. This is an anon BB, so your real gender is unknown and irrelevant to me;

2. Notwithstanding 1 (above), I believe in and practice gender equality;

3. With 2 (above) in mind, a "woman"'s verbal attacks here are no different than a "man"'s as far as I'm concerned. A flame is a flame, a verbal attack is a verbal attack. If I am attacked, I reserve the right to push back as hard as I like, thanks. If you want to keep sulking about all the times I have beaten you fair and square in response to your silly antics, fill your boots.

4. The records show that each and every big flame fight you have ever had with me has been started by....You. Including this one.

5. Once, during one of your many unprovoked and very angry flames against me on the BDSM Forum about 6 months ago, I deconstructed one of your rants and turned it into a mock BDSM scene in which I gagged you and had my way with you. The words used were not out of scale with yours that preceded the post nor the general tenor of the BDSM Forum.

6. In response you wrote a story about Dominating me, advertised it around the BDSM Forum and the GB....(and in fact you promoted the story, "Lanciepants" just last week here as I recall.)

7. No big deal, all in good fun, I thought.

8. Some months later, after Hanns arrived here (October?), a thread about Rape from the year before was bumped up, I think by Hanns, though I don't recall.

9. I scanned the thread and read about your experience.

10. I wrote you soon afterwards, because I wanted to let you know that despite the flaming we'd done that I'd never want to cause you any actual harm or use something as deeply painful to you as sexual assault to advantage in an argument.

11. I believe that since that time it would be fair to say that you have been, in whole, much more abusive and have attacked me more vociferously and more often than the time I've spent poking fun at you and your Queenly ways.

12. In particular, you have taken every opportunity you can to write long posts describing me as abusive to women. You've said it enough times that people parrot what you've said, almost certainly without ever having referred to those weeks of posts from the BDSM Forum when I questioned the nature & quality of the Moderation in that Forum.

13. You are a Lit Moderator. People put extra value on what you say by virtue of your length of service here, the number of posts, your Title and your volume of published stories...including the one you wrote about me.

14. Despite the fact that you know as well as I do that Cym was viewed as a loose cannon by Laurel as well as by most everyone who posted on the BDSM Forum when she was there, you have persisted in blaming Cymbidia's personal shortcomings and poor Moderator skills on Me...as much as anything else because Cym is a friend of yours IRL.

15. The facts speak for themselves. People can go read the History of Muffy & Lanciepants anytime they like and make up their own minds if they like.

Lance

No, actually, PB, that's not the reason I rather don't like Lance. I rather don't like Lance because of his predilection for sexually attacking women on the board when he's losing the argument.

I do not like Lance because he sexually attacked me.

Anything else would have been just one of those things, but that's not what he did.

You were there, bud bud. You watched him repeatedly and with malice sexually attack women who did not agree with him and do not bend to his will.

Then he had the gross bad manners to PM me about a rape thread, reach some sort of amicable truce, and then turn around and sexually attack me again. He never apologized, he never acknowledged that he did it, he never did anything remotely human in that regard. Which would all be water under the bridge and forgotten but for two things. 1) I actually had to ask him to quit attacking me sexually and 2) he attacks other females around here sexually without thought.

I'm no angel in all of this either. I don't expect an apology or anything. What I do expect is to be treated with a modicum of respect due to every person who types a word in this place. There is no such thing as mutual respect to Lance. The only thing he will accept is a bowing down and kissing of his ass.

The only way Lance will ever get my respect again is if Lance publicly proves that he can provide mutual and equal respect to even the people he considers his good friends.

And if you'd go back and read that thread, PB, you'd see that I was arguing asshole's side, not cym's.

 

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[P. B. Walker]

I don't care for Ginny. Ginny doesn't care for me. Ginny will badmouth me, she did earlier today.

But, what she said was totally not bad. Lance would joke about something like that. He was one of the first on the Tantanah bandwagon. He was rude and spiteful to Rambrat about the whole thing. Lance has not liked dream (I don't either) and has made numerous comments about her. Considering a fake death and Lance's use of jokes from time to time, I feel Ginny's comments were not spiteful or rude.

I don't think she meant anything negative by them.

I don't know what Lance's intentions were in his sigline. I don't think they were mean, to be honest. But who knows.

Yanno... I hear you all saying shit like... well we didn't know it was true, or but Lance makes jokes, or we didn't know Lance's intentions, or he joked about something similar once, or he's been mean in the past... etc...

All that just proves my point. Why would you take something serious that you know nothing about and then make light of it just so you can socket it to Lance? Does he present you with so few opportunites to zing him that you'll take every precieved chance you can? Even at the expense of someone else's passing?

I gotta say... the comment was bad enough... but this fucking load of shit ya'll are backing it up with about how it's not such a bad thing is even fucking worse. You'd all be better off just saying "sorry" and shutting your worthless pie holes. Just my humble opinion.

PBW "It's strange out a few words can make you lose total and utter respect for someone."

 

[Rubyfruit]

I noticed that it was almost a full moon last night when I went out to get the mail.

It was a stunningly clear, black, star-filled sky, with just wisps of transparent clouds floating across the moon.

That was nice.

 

[P. B. Walker]

Seek therapy, with that much narrow minded negativety floating around that pea brain of yours, you're liable to help some poor innocent soul kick the bucket any time now. Is it possible for you to type a sentance without using the word fuck? Is it possible for you to find a way to come up with any sort of response that you have actually thought about both sides to? You're like a 14 year old boy who needs anger manaegment. I feel sorry for you.

Thank you for your worthless opinion. Please, let me get out of the way so you can go back to pissing on the dead. Oopps... forgot to say "fuck".

PBW "There's only one side, the "right" side"

 

[P. B. Walker]

Seek therapy, with that much narrow minded negativety floating around that pea brain of yours, you're liable to help some poor innocent soul kick the bucket any time now. Is it possible for you to type a sentance without using the word fuck? Is it possible for you to find a way to come up with any sort of response that you have actually thought about both sides to? You're like a 14 year old boy who needs anger manaegment. I feel sorry for you.

Thank you for your worthless opinion. Please, let me get out of the way so you can go back to pissing on the dead. Oopps... forgot to say "fuck".

PBW "There's only one side, the "right" side"

 

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[honeylick]

I noticed that it was almost a full moon last night when I went out to get the mail.

It was a stunningly clear, black, star-filled sky, with just wisps of transparent clouds floating across the moon.

That was nice.

i saw the same sky.
-smile-

 

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[MissTaken]

Ruby!

Your av is stunning.

In fact, it is so stunning, I couldn't read the thread, I am so in awe of you!

 

[P. B. Walker]

I've just noticed your AV. Was any one else hurt in the accident?

I'm busy now, can I ignore you some other time?

Yanno.... that might be funny if it didn't come from someone wearing a "fucking" mask.

PBW "You make me wanna crap."

 

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[Problem Child]

didn't realize there had been an actual death.....and assumed it was some Lance joke reference.....

I read this and all I can think is....wriggle-wriggle...

 

[Guest]

Wow, nice rebuttals everyone.

 

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