Kramer the racist

[marshalt]

the preponderance of evidence indicates that racism is a defining characteristic of white America.

Dude...

 

[KyleW]

1. but you quoted medjay.
2. hooper said the majority of american whites. he didn't say all.
3. while i disagree that the majority of american whites are racist, i feel that i needed to correct your assertion that medjay was making a blanket statement.
4. i think a lot of people in america are racist.
5. i do agree with hooper X's statement that racism is a defining characteristic of america. not THE characteristic, but A characteristic.

Of course he didn't say all. It's easier to qualify a statement like that with "majority" or "most" that way when people say HO WAIT! You just called us all racists. ....no I didn't, just most of you bigots! aha!

Cop out.

And get it right. he said racism was a defining characteristic of WHITE america. Remember, the white man is the devil.

 

[John Doe]

I never said I agree with black people using the term. I think it's stupid.

And white people who complain about the "Double standard" are basically saying they resent not being able to say stupid shit also.

Yes, black people call each other niggers all the time, and even though it's not something I personally endorse, I know it's part of common vernacular that has different connotations in the black community. I recognize the history of the word and why we use it. It's way more complicated than "They can say it, we should be able to as well!"

Like Hooper X said, the argument's disingenuous. Anyone with any common sense knows to just not say it.

I know you're not stupid, so a third interpretation should be clear.

By deliberately misconstruing the argument, aren't you essentially saying that being intolerant of intolerance is intolerant?

 

[Tsar_Bomba]

Eh this won't make much a dent in his career at all, give it a week and most people will forget.

True...I mean he doesn't really HAVE a career to dent...

You think Jerry Seinfeld is screening his calls right now?

 

[_geisha_]

Geisha...... What I mean is, ...... have you called a person an "asshole", a "fucking idiot", or "I hate you", "I never want to see you again".....?... what I'm getting at, is.................. have you ever said something to someone that you really didn't mean?

I know I have...... Though not racist, but still something I didn't mean.

garby, i'm not talking about spouting off in anger, i can call a Jewish man a fuckwad if I want to. I will never call him a K---. never. Resorting to racism to vent simply shows how ... unintelligent.. how mean, how... entitled... how... ugly someone is.

 

[KravMaga]

The only thing I said concerning Jewish people is that kike is a particularly offensive pejorative term because it, like nigger, is drenched in the blood of millions. Anything else you may have inferred is of your own imagining.

That is a nice sized chip on your shoulder....I don't think I was imagining anything....

 

[KravMaga]

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[LadyFunkenstein]

The first page of this thread is pretty good, but then it takes a nose dive straight into the shitter.

 

[_geisha_]

Of course he didn't say all. It's easier to qualify a statement like that with "majority" or "most" that way when people say HO WAIT! You just called us all racists. ....no I didn't, just most of you bigots! aha!

Cop out.

And get it right. he said racism was a defining characteristic of WHITE america. Remember, the white man is the devil.

Kyle, don't act crazy with me. I didn't provide the statement, I supplied the clarification.

You got beef with what hoop said, take it to hoop, baby.

And as far as the defining characteristic thing, let me give you 5 examples. You might have to google, be prepared.

Rosa Parks
the American welfare system
Planned Parenthood
The Tuskeegee Experiments
the tobacco industry

Tell me racism isn't a defining characteristic. I'll tell you you're a liar.

 

[KravMaga]

The first page of this thread is pretty good, but then it takes a nose dive straight into the shitter.

Love your new av....great movie.....great book....

 

[_geisha_]

even if I beg you to?........like during buttseks.......

Maybe your wife will. Don't talk to me about fucking. You contributed to this seriously earlier, and shared some great ideas. Don't compromise that with craziness.

 

[medjay]

By deliberately misconstruing the argument. . .

What argument?

All I'm saying is that black people use the word regularly, it has many different connotations for us and most people recognize this as an unfortunate fact.

Most white people I assume view this as a peculiar practice specific to black people and leave it at that. White people with an agenda make up arguments about "double standards".

You implied I didn't find the word offensive. That's not the case. I just question the motives of any white person who makes a big deal about not being able to say it themselves.

 

[Tsar_Bomba]

The first page of this thread is pretty good, but then it takes a nose dive straight into the shitter.

Amen.

 

[medjay]

The first page of this thread is pretty good, but then it takes a nose dive straight into the shitter.

Much like Richards' stand-up act I assume.

 

[KravMaga]

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[LadyFunkenstein]

Love your new av....great movie.....great book....

/hijack

I haven't read it in years (nor have I seen the movie in a long time). I was just on myspace listing some of my favorite books, and the first two which popped into my head were this one and The Painted Bird. I guess they relate in my mind because they are both tales of a youth affected by WWII.

I decided to use this as my av because I like the concept of an adult whose has purposefully stunted his growth, who screams and bangs his drum loudly to drown the sounds of things he doesn't want to hear. It, uh, speaks to me of late.

 

[KravMaga]

/hijack

I haven't read it in years (nor have I seen the movie in a long time). I was just on myspace listing some of my favorite books, and the first two which popped into my head were this one and The Painted Bird. I guess they relate in my mind because they are both tales of a youth affected by WWII.

I decided to use this as my av because I like the concept of an adult whose has purposefully stunted his growth, who screams and bangs his drum loudly to drown the sounds of things he doesn't want to hear. It, uh, speaks to me of late.

that is very deep and very self-actualized; the book is worth another look when you got one of those things they refer to as "free time" .....

....now we take you back to your regularly scheduled racisim debate already in progress......

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

that is very deep and very self-actualized; the book is worth another look when you got one of those things they refer to as "free time" .....

....now we take you back to your regularly scheduled racisim debate already in progress......

I last read the book when I was 18. I remember it vividly still, but I would be very interested to read it again now that may age has doubled (though my maturity remains the same).

it is settled, this will be my book, should get started within a week.

 

[KravMaga]

I last read the book when I was 18. I remember it vividly still, but I would be very interested to read it again now that may age has doubled (though my maturity remains the same).

it is settled, this will be my book, should get started within a week.

...Now I think that is er..very bigoted of you reading a book written by a German...or something like that.....I was never very good at the race card thing......

 

[akatrex]

When the Afro American/Black/Colored/People of Color/Negro's remove the word "Nigger" from there own music and vocabulary then and only then will I consider the word a racist slur.

I grew up in a city adjacent to Oakland Ca. The current murder capital of the USA. Second only to Baghdad. The home of the "Black Panthers" Huey Newton, Angela Davis, Bobby Seal and others. I know full well racism, but on the other foot. I endured the taunts, and I could really care less.

I will say it again. Remove the word from your Music and Jive speak, until then you can kiss my cracker, honky, “whatever” white ass.

 

[zipman]

he didn't. he talked about one group of people who have one usual complaint.

he didn't say every white person says that, he said what he thinks about people who do say that.

Actually, he said exactly what Kyle quoted.

 

[Wok]

Actually, he said exactly what Kyle quoted.

Forget all that Zip.

I am blaming Clinton.

 

[akatrex]

The movie "RUSH HOUR".

The line: "Whats up my nigga" Jackie Chan.

Interesting and thought prevoking.

I didn't know Jackie Chan was a racist!

 

[Queersetti]

Hooper said something like, "most white people are bigots of every stripe".

Well, consider how many idiots start spouting half assed excuses for nitwits like Michael Richards, and you might see how he could come to such a conclusion.

 

[SquireCroker]

Oy.

You work a club, someone heckles, you put up with it for a while, then you get control of the show back one of several ways. You ignore it, you zing back and get everyone laughing, and, if those things don't work, and I'm sure he tried both, you have to stand on a chair and shout something shocking, something profane, something so insulting that it stops the unstoppable asshole talking during your show, who thinks he's "helping" you be funny. In NY, and I'm guessing around LA, you can say (and let me make this perfectly clear), you can say ANYTHING in a nightclub. What you can't do it not be funny.

Richards' mistake was in not following up his remark with material about either racism, or cursing, or the power of words. Lenny Bruce would call someone a "nigger", shock the crowd, and then do fifteen minutes on the idiotic power we assign to words. But Richards just stood there, waiting for the room to "turn" back to him. But that was a mistake. If he had followed up his comment with something funny, with something on topic, even an improvised riff on racism, anything, he would have been alright.

You can see it happen. For about thirty seconds there he had a window. For about thirty seconds the audience was shocked, but laughing. They were willing to see where he was going with this. The heckler was pissed, of course, but they always are. So there's that window. Watch the clip. In those few seconds, in that half a minute, Richards could have done a million things to sweep the room up with him. He could have turned the moment into a gold. But I think he surprised himself with the uglieness of his words. I think he surprised himself by going to a place he never goes, and that's why he had no material to use in that window.

He made two mistakes. He went racial, which is not unforgivable, if you know how to handle it, but clearly he doesn't. There are a million other ways to kill a heckler, but, clearly, Richards was too weary to use them, and went right for the throat. It was mean rather than funny. And his second mistake was not immediately launching into material. He had a window, and the moment the audience felt that he was not on sure footing, the moment the audience knew he wasn't "going somewhere" with his comment, the moment the audience knew he had painted himself into a corner and didn't know how to get out of the room, they turned on him. And he knew it, which is why he left the stage. Once that happens, there is no getting the room back. The absolute best thing to do is walk off the stage and let the Emcee take over. He knew that.

Like I said, you say any horrible thing you want in a comedy club. You can talk about race, religion, politics, use horrible language, anything. But if you're not funny, even talking about puppies is offensive.

Happy birthday!