Kramer the racist
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This is really how dumb Borat is
Verse
In my country there is problem,
And that problem is transport.
It take very, very long,
Because Kazakhstan is big.
Chorus 1
Throw transport down the well. (repeat line)
So my country can be free. (repeat line)
We must make travel easy. (repeat line)
Then we’ll have a big party. (repeat line)
Verse 2
In my country there is problem.
And that problem is the Jew.
They take everybody money.
And they never give it back.
Chorus 2
Throw the Jew down the well. (repeat line)
So my country can be free. (repeat line)
You must grab him by his horns. (repeat line)
Then we have a big party. (repeat line)
Verse 3
If you see the Jew coming,
You must be careful of his teeth.
You must grab him by his money.
And I tell you what to do.
(Repeat Chorus 2 twice)
Verse
In my country there is problem,
And that problem is transport.
It take very, very long,
Because Kazakhstan is big.
Chorus 1
Throw transport down the well. (repeat line)
So my country can be free. (repeat line)
We must make travel easy. (repeat line)
Then we’ll have a big party. (repeat line)
Verse 2
In my country there is problem.
And that problem is the Jew.
They take everybody money.
And they never give it back.
Chorus 2
Throw the Jew down the well. (repeat line)
So my country can be free. (repeat line)
You must grab him by his horns. (repeat line)
Then we have a big party. (repeat line)
Verse 3
If you see the Jew coming,
You must be careful of his teeth.
You must grab him by his money.
And I tell you what to do.
(Repeat Chorus 2 twice)
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Like I said: I'm not talking about Sas[c]ha [sp?] Cohen. I don't care what his aim is, I'm talking about how it's interpreted.SeanH said:
The point is, you may interpret something differently than I do. If it's a situation like that, the performer/creator has an obligation to make sure tha tthe purpose behind it is understood. A lot of people don't think Borat is satirical, they think it's a movie made solely to make fun of middle eastern people and cultural differences.
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The most annoying thing about the "Borat" mania is that we constantly get told that this isn't just a funny movie, like "Dumb and Dumber." No, "Borat" is Good For You, a landmark in the battle against prejudice, like "Schindler's List."
As I've pointed out, "Borat" isn't really about the Central Asian country of Kazakhstan. It's about reviving old Polish Joke stereotypes about Eastern Europe. As has often been mentioned, the "Kazakhstan" scenes weren't filmed in Kazakhstan, that supposed bastion of anti-Semitism and anti-Gypsyism, but in Romania.
Yet, while Romania is poor, how did the film makers come up with a village quite that dilapidated and feckless-looking?
From the UK Evening Standard:
Borat film 'tricked' poor village actors
When Sacha Baron Cohen wanted a village to represent the impoverished Kazakh home of his character Borat, he found the perfect place in Glod: a remote mountain outpost with no sewerage or running water and where locals eke out meagre livings peddling scrap iron or working patches of land.
But now the villagers of this tiny, close-knit community have angrily accused the comedian of exploiting them, after discovering his new blockbuster film portrays them as a backward group of rapists, abortionists and prostitutes, who happily engage in casual incest.
They claim film-makers lied to them about the true nature of the project, which they believed would be a documentary about their hardship, rather than a comedy mocking their poverty and isolation.
Villagers say they were paid just £3 each for this humiliation, for a film that took around £27million at the worldwide box office in its first week of release.
Now they are planning to scrape together whatever modest sums they can muster to sue Baron Cohen and fellow film-makers, claiming they never gave their consent to be so cruelly misrepresented.
Yeah, yeah, everybody wants to sue now that the movie is a hit.
But, here's where the story gets really interesting.
The comedian insisted on travelling everywhere with bulky bodyguards, because, as one local said: 'He seemed to think there were crooks among us."
Now why would an enlightened Cambridge grad like Sacha Baron Cohen, who wrote his thesis on Jewish aid to the black civil rights movement, be so prejudiced against some poor villagers? Oh, it looks like he had a reason:
Its 1,000 residents live in dilapidated huts in the shadow of the Carpathian mountains. Toilets are little more than sheltered holes in the ground and horses and donkeys are the only source of transport.
Just four villagers have permanent employment in the nearby towns of Pucioasa or Fieni, while the rest live off what little welfare benefits they get.
What kind of Eastern European village has an unemployment rate of 99%?
Have you figured it out by now? The funny thing is that the prejudiced Borat would have figured it out immediately:
The village, like others in the Dambovita region of Romania, is populated mainly by gipsies who say they are discriminated against by the rest of the country.
Indeed, when local vice-mayor Petre Buzea was asked whether the people felt offended by Baron Cohen's film, he replied: 'They got paid so I am sure they are happy. These gipsies will even kill their own father for money.'
In other words, Baron Cohen is making fun of, and 96% of the film critics of America are laughing along at, Gypsies, those other victims of the Holocaust.
As I've pointed out, "Borat" isn't really about the Central Asian country of Kazakhstan. It's about reviving old Polish Joke stereotypes about Eastern Europe. As has often been mentioned, the "Kazakhstan" scenes weren't filmed in Kazakhstan, that supposed bastion of anti-Semitism and anti-Gypsyism, but in Romania.
Yet, while Romania is poor, how did the film makers come up with a village quite that dilapidated and feckless-looking?
From the UK Evening Standard:
Borat film 'tricked' poor village actors
When Sacha Baron Cohen wanted a village to represent the impoverished Kazakh home of his character Borat, he found the perfect place in Glod: a remote mountain outpost with no sewerage or running water and where locals eke out meagre livings peddling scrap iron or working patches of land.
But now the villagers of this tiny, close-knit community have angrily accused the comedian of exploiting them, after discovering his new blockbuster film portrays them as a backward group of rapists, abortionists and prostitutes, who happily engage in casual incest.
They claim film-makers lied to them about the true nature of the project, which they believed would be a documentary about their hardship, rather than a comedy mocking their poverty and isolation.
Villagers say they were paid just £3 each for this humiliation, for a film that took around £27million at the worldwide box office in its first week of release.
Now they are planning to scrape together whatever modest sums they can muster to sue Baron Cohen and fellow film-makers, claiming they never gave their consent to be so cruelly misrepresented.
Yeah, yeah, everybody wants to sue now that the movie is a hit.
But, here's where the story gets really interesting.
The comedian insisted on travelling everywhere with bulky bodyguards, because, as one local said: 'He seemed to think there were crooks among us."
Now why would an enlightened Cambridge grad like Sacha Baron Cohen, who wrote his thesis on Jewish aid to the black civil rights movement, be so prejudiced against some poor villagers? Oh, it looks like he had a reason:
Its 1,000 residents live in dilapidated huts in the shadow of the Carpathian mountains. Toilets are little more than sheltered holes in the ground and horses and donkeys are the only source of transport.
Just four villagers have permanent employment in the nearby towns of Pucioasa or Fieni, while the rest live off what little welfare benefits they get.
What kind of Eastern European village has an unemployment rate of 99%?
Have you figured it out by now? The funny thing is that the prejudiced Borat would have figured it out immediately:
The village, like others in the Dambovita region of Romania, is populated mainly by gipsies who say they are discriminated against by the rest of the country.
Indeed, when local vice-mayor Petre Buzea was asked whether the people felt offended by Baron Cohen's film, he replied: 'They got paid so I am sure they are happy. These gipsies will even kill their own father for money.'
In other words, Baron Cohen is making fun of, and 96% of the film critics of America are laughing along at, Gypsies, those other victims of the Holocaust.
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I'm always curious how easy it is for some people to call a person a racist.
Half the assholes don't know what a racist is.
How many times have you, (everyone), flown off the handle and said something you didn't mean?
So now Kramer is a racist..................... I doubt it.
Half the assholes don't know what a racist is.
How many times have you, (everyone), flown off the handle and said something you didn't mean?
So now Kramer is a racist..................... I doubt it.
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I'm not arguing with you babe. I'm just saying that I find the interpretation of Borat that I've heard offensive. I find what the character is doing is offensive.KravMaga said:
The intention though, is honorable. The intention is amazing. I just don't like how it was exercised.
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I can safely say, in my lifetime, I have never flown off the handle and said something racist that I later regretted.garbage can said:
Calling someone a racial slur doesn't fix anything, it doesn't vent my anger or frustration, and it doesn't help.
_geisha_ said:
How is Borat offensive? Offensive to whom, the racists/antisemites he so cleverly exposes?
As to Michael Ricards, I'm not the least bit surprised to find out that he is a racist. I'm of the opinion that the vast majority of American whites are dyed in the wool bigots of every stripe. What does surprise me is that a guy who has been a stand-up comedian for at least 25 years would have such a public and unfunny melt-down in response to being heckled. I guess without Larry David's hand up his ass making him talk, he has no chops whatsoever. He really fucked himself in the ass. This just about destroys the remote chances that he had to rekindle his career. A decade of good will garnered through his association with that lovable schmuck Kramer--who above all meant no one any harm--has been flushed right down the toilet.
medjay said:
These idiots are being disingenuous. They know full well that the reason that nigger--as well as kike--is more offensive than most insults in that the word is drenched in the blood of millions of people against whom it was used as a justification for murderous centuries-long crimes against humanity. They are engaging in what Hitler called "the big lie," which states that if you say even the most patently absurd things long enough, some people will begin to believe them.
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