Hermione Captured

[lovecraft68]

If you found stuff like this somewhere other than lit, then keep it there.

Many readers come here because of lits underage standard and somewhat enforcement of rape stories and there are author's like myself who write here because I don't want my name on some of the pig sty sites out there.

So simply take your under age rape story to an audience that likes it on a site that allows it.

And as for her age. I am a passing Potter fan in that I took my daughters to the early movies and watched the others at various times. My gut reaction-as not being a Potter expert- is 'isn't she underage?" and that I think will be the general reaction.

 

[MayorReynolds]

And as for her age. I am a passing Potter fan in that I took my daughters to the early movies and watched the others at various times. My gut reaction-as not being a Potter expert- is 'isn't she underage?" and that I think will be the general reaction.

Those were my thoughts exactly. The casual Lit reader isn't going to pull this up knowing dates or time tables from the source material. They're going to have that collective gut reaction, which is why Laurel will more than likely shoot it down.

Also, Potter is more than a bit played out as far as fanfics go anyway. Internet culture has effectively smothered any new ground with Emma Watson or Hermione one could cover. One would be better off trying to evoke titillation elsewhere. Expanding the horizons would be a healthy and healthier writing exercise.

Also also, many of us, myself included, are squicked by rape and discomfort. My passing knowledge of the franchise comes from watching the first four movies and reading all the books, and though I'm not fanatically devoted the series, these are not themes I feel comfortable being associated with those characters.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Rules however to the best ability of the enforcer must be objective. The fact that you don't like the idea of Hermoine being held down against her will is (or should) ultimately be meaningless. I don't want to think about any man having ever laid a finger on Nicole Kidman the woman so perfect she must die a virgin or else all is lost. But I have to deal with the fact that someone probably already did and we're going to burn in a fiery hell.

If the "line" is supposedly drawn at kids entertainment then one must define child. I've seen Buffy stuff on here, I've written Power Rangers stuff (how old any given team of real rangers is can vary. The norm probably actually IS 20 something), I'd bet money there is Vampire Diaries on here.

 

[Bammy]

Rules however to the best ability of the enforcer must be objective. The fact that you don't like the idea of Hermoine being held down against her will is (or should) ultimately be meaningless. I don't want to think about any man having ever laid a finger on Nicole Kidman the woman so perfect she must die a virgin or else all is lost. But I have to deal with the fact that someone probably already did and we're going to burn in a fiery hell.

If the "line" is supposedly drawn at kids entertainment then one must define child. I've seen Buffy stuff on here, I've written Power Rangers stuff (how old any given team of real rangers is can vary. The norm probably actually IS 20 something), I'd bet money there is Vampire Diaries on here.

You make a good point about Buffy. I mean, I don't know much about the series (never appealed to me to be honest) but from a few quick google searches I see that she was only 15 when she was made a slayer or whatever it was and from another search I've found numerous Buffy stories on lit. So, when people think of Buffy, don't they think of a high schooler and therefore 'underage'?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I feel like a bloody broken record. Laurel tends to treat high school seniors as 18 year olds. It's her gift to us. In the case of Buffy we do know exactly when she actually turns 18, it's a little less than mid way through season 3 of a 7 season show. However if we're going to quibble about this scene with Hermoine was when she was actually 16 or 17 I can pick through the Buffy stories (huge fan) and tell you which stories are clearly about underage Buffy. Since the show started out about high school kids and was for high school kids it syncs up pretty well with the school year. In addition they have three or four Halloweens and a few Christmases. My point being you can make DAMN good estimates about the exact ages of the characters if you so choose.

Now according to Rubi (former Mod) reunion specials count as cannon. Because YOU didn't age them up the writers did. So for the sake of argument if the Little Rascals (presuming they are all still kicking) got together tomorrow and did Rascals 2016, Still Rascals! well they're in bounds.

My point there however is that our personal squick levels should not be the judge. Laurels squick can (but still shouldn't) be the barometer. If my squick was the limit people over three hundred pounds would die virgins and if you were over 60 you'd need to be tested for hotness before being allowed to make out. Fail and we execute you. No point in taking chances that Judi Dench might try to get lucky.

 

[EquinoxRising]

Nope. Hermione is 18 in the scene Bammy's talking about, which happens near the end of the series.

The issue is whether Hermione is off-bounds because she's under-18 for most of the series leading up to that.

Then I misread MayorReynolds.

 

[lovecraft68]

This discussion is very telling of the 'rules' here as well as the nature of this site.

The OP wants to write a rape/sexual torture story of a character that may or may not be underage depending on timing of the books/characters

Yet all that is being discussed is the under age aspect. Except for Major Reynolds mentioning he's not one for those types of scenes, no one is calling out the OP is looking for a rape story.

So as I've pointed out time and again, it is beyond a joke that this site claims they have a rule against it and the new mod is following right along the old one's footsteps as in rape is just fine, let's just make sure she is 18 when she gets raped.

I mentioned how there are cesspool sites out there and we all know which ones they are. Half if not more of the 'ideas' here belong there according to the faux rules here, but guess only one rule matters and that's the only one the owner actually cares about based on personal opinion and we wouldn't want pedo's coming here, but encouraging rapists is just fine.

Ruby all over again here.

 

[EquinoxRising]

I do not see where a request for "sexual humiliation" is against Lit's rules, LC.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I like Rubi, she was a fine mod.

It's not Equi. LC has a problem with rape stories and in particular that most of them are aimed at female characters. There are relatively few forced male stories and that's his deal. You get used to it. He's a decent guy as long as you aren't talking politics. . .or rape stories.

 

[Strangebuddy]

What happened to rubi? I don't pay too much attention to who is which mod but I did notice her profile vanishing

 

[Sean Renaud]

I dunno. Though we almost never find out why someone vanished so I wouldn't really expect to get answers. We just have this new one. I honestly barely know why Laurel bothers. We by and large stay out of trouble other than some rule violations that as someone who spends time on the GB clearly aren't the end of the universe.

 

[RejectReality]

Uhm... point of order?

In the last couple of years, most of the non-consent celebrity stories have been shot down with a specific rejection notice saying non-consent can't be posted to the celebrities category.

From the complaints people have made, the definition of what qualifies as non-consent for that specific rejection covers a lot of what is often considered reluctance rather than non-con.

I'm pretty sure the described story would run afoul of that, so the him-hawing about age is probably moot in this specific case.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Uhm... point of order?

In the last couple of years, most of the non-consent celebrity stories have been shot down with a specific rejection notice saying non-consent can't be posted to the celebrities category.

From the complaints people have made, the definition of what qualifies as non-consent for that specific rejection covers a lot of what is often considered reluctance rather than non-con.

I'm pretty sure the described story would run afoul of that, so the him-hawing about age is probably moot in this specific case.

It's been my experience that the no-noncon/celeb rule is actually for celebrities. On lit for some reason celebrities and fanfiction are mooshed together but the rules for each seem to remain separate. I've got a non-con Batgirl up and a power ranger (though that one uses all fake rangers anyway) and probably another if I dig around a bit.

You are not however incorrect.

 

[RejectReality]

Most of the rejection complaints I've seen have been specifically for fan-fictiony type stories, and one was catwoman/batgirl.

Whether it's a new rule or one being more carefully enforced, the last couple of years have seen most non-con/reluctance in the celeb category rejected.

 

[Sean Renaud]

All I can say to that is I've managed to step around it multiple times but some rules ebb and flow.

 

[jonyoungau]

i'd just change it so that at hogwarts once a female student turns 18 from then on her only uniform requirement is a ankle belt to hold her wand.

 

[Bammy]

i'd just change it so that at hogwarts once a female student turns 18 from then on her only uniform requirement is a ankle belt to hold her wand.

Strangely enough, that would probably make a pretty hot story.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

this whole fan fic/Hermione thing comes up periodically with the exact same comments.

I guess I'm the only one who has read the derivative Hogwarts fan fic on this site? Not Hermione, not hogwarts, no harry...but yeah. Even I, who have read none of the books, seen none of the movies, recognize.

 

[RejectReality]

Yes, if it's crafted to be "not Harry Potter" and posted to Sci-Fi&Fantasy, basically none of the issues associated with the Celeb category apply.

The thing is that the pure fanfiction aspect of it is usually what turns people on the most, and watering it down to "not Harry Potter" takes some of the steam out of it for them.

 

[Sean Renaud]

TV tropes would describe that an expy or lawyer friendly cameo depending on how precisely you did it. The important part is people do Expies all the time as RR points out but a lot of time it's the real celeb that makes the difference since a good chunk of your readers are looking for an "authentic" story. Because yes I could write a story about Justine Possible the complete not Kim Possible person but once I do that all bets are off as I change all the characters around her.

And yes Harry Potter is the current one but these conversations come up with the main characters swapped around every year or so with a new batch of either characters. The details are generally some combination of spent most of their time underage (Brady Bunch, Kim Possible, Harry Potter, Disney Princesses as a whole. I'll come back to that.), they live in an environment that gives few if any solid clues to their age. It's easy to keep track of approximately what age the kids on Dawson's Creek are. What grade are they in? By contrast in the Walking Dead there is only how they appear and how they are treated to run with. One could be forgiven for thinking Carl is a lot older than he actually is. There is also the occasional question of what precisely is cannon? This is important because the rules bind us to it. No saying that random Disney Princess is 18 when the movie clearly states this took place on or around your 16th birthday. But both of those movies have multiple sequels and basic math tells me that Ariel having a young child (not toddler) means she's not 16 anymore.

But yeah we'll be back in 2016. Count on it.

 

[Hypoxia]

Above, I mentioned writing an obviously adult version of a young hero(ine) looking back at their life. I derived that from THE LOST GIRLS by Alan Moore and Melinda Gebbie. Alice (of Wonderland), Wendy (of Neverland), and Dorothy (of Oz) meet in their MILFhood and "exchange erotic stories from their pasts". The Moore storyline would not fit on LIT -- they detail underage sex -- but is the reminiscence approach "aging up"? I'm not clear on that.

BTW an official text is 'canon' not 'cannon'.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yeah I'ma keep spelling canon randomly as a weapon.

You cannot age up charachters so the idea of Bart Simpson, Meg Griffin and Doug Funny meeting up in college is against the rules.

Now for your example that's . . .an interesting scenario. I would expect Laurel to shoot you down BUT the copyrights on all of those stories have long since expired (if they existed originally). This is why everybody has their version of Peter Pan and the Wizard of Oz, Alice dosn't quite get the same amount of love. Hook staring Robin Williams is just as official as Muppets take Oz or Alice in Pornoland. So you can do whatever you want with those characters because you could legally do it. Nobody is stopping you right now from publishing a book where the Queen of Hearts teams up with Captain Hook to conquer imagination land. There is even a Dorothy does Oz series up that I don't think ever got finished and I don't remember the details (so it might have been a case of distinctly NOT Dorothy. I just happen to have her name an circumstances but that was an entirely different girl with an entirely different terrier.

Regardless if Laurel shot you down it would be more on principle than because you actually broke the laws as written.

 

[Hypoxia]

Mea culpa: I have written no fanfic, no celeb-fic, no comic-hero fic, and I really have no intention. Well, maybe some adventures of Cherry Poptart or Whiteman+Yeti or Panthera. Hmmm, do comics / comix characterss count as celebs? I recall old TJ Bibles with the sexual antics of Popeye & Olive, Blondie & Dagwood, etc. How about a TJ Bible series of short stroker stories featuring modern comic-strip characters? And since Garfield is a sentient creature and not a dumb animal, is he fair game?

I doubt copyright is an issue here so long as the stories are obviously parodies that transform the originals and thus are fair use. But I'm no lawyer, and I'm not Laurel.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Tis nae your fault, it's an odd place we've wandered into. Yes comic/comix count as celebs, at least I think they do. I suppose an argument could be made that Batman is a movie/cartoon character not a comic if we have some kind of hierarchy. Regardless video games are subject to the celeb rule as well.

Garfeild is a grey area inside a grey area it we're being fair. There is limited evidence that Garfield is sentient We can read his thought bubbles sure but real animals have personalities. Trust me my dog knows the difference between Friday and Monday. He's more upset about Monday than I am half the time. There is no evidence at all that Jon or any other human can communicate with Garfield or any other animal anymore than I communicate with my dog. So is Garfield sentient? Probably but it's grey.

By contrast Scooby Doo or Brian of Family guy are supposedly dogs except they clearly aren't. Both of them exist in a world that HAS dogs and while occasionally other talking dogs show up (Scrappy Doo, Brian's gay cousin) it's clear that dogs in Scooby Doo and Family Guy respectively DO NOT TALK. To the point that it's kinda funny that nobody ever mentions the fact that they talk being weird. Those kinda should pass muster, Scooby and Brian are clearly sentient and capable of communication and thus formal consent. Though I guess depending on her mood laurel could slam you for age in those cases. Dogs only live to about thirteen years old IRL so without specific reasons to think otherwise Scooby and Brian are probably less than 10 and certainly not 18. That could easily fall into the fantasy/sci-fi rule. Which unfortunately is a case of do what you're gonna do and see what Laurel does. If she takes a shot at you argue your case, she tends to be reasonable at the very least she'll outline her thinking.

 

[MayorReynolds]

Mea culpa: I have written no fanfic, no celeb-fic, no comic-hero fic, and I really have no intention. Well, maybe some adventures of Cherry Poptart or Whiteman+Yeti or Panthera. Hmmm, do comics / comix characterss count as celebs? I recall old TJ Bibles with the sexual antics of Popeye & Olive, Blondie & Dagwood, etc. How about a TJ Bible series of short stroker stories featuring modern comic-strip characters? And since Garfield is a sentient creature and not a dumb animal, is he fair game?

I doubt copyright is an issue here so long as the stories are obviously parodies that transform the originals and thus are fair use. But I'm no lawyer, and I'm not Laurel.

Funny you should mention Cherry Poptart because one of my fleeting ideas for Lit was a fanfic where she is resurrected to save the world from sexual repression (her last issue was published in 2000.) Fanfic, however, is another place I don't feel comfortable taking my writing simply because it feels weird and out of my place to use other people's characters.