Harry Reid and Barack Obama want a government shutdown.

[RobDownSouth]

So many lies in one post it's hard to pick which to point to.
So I'll pick this one:
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was read, repeatedly. The quote you're referring to was regarding having not read the revisions coming back from the House when the Act was being batted back and forth before it was passed.

Landslider2000 seems to have perfected the Gish Gallop of late (throw everything at 'em, make 'em play defense, ignore their responses).

I daresay we Real Americans™ have done a good job exposing the inherent weaknesses of his argument(s). Boiled down to it's essence, Landslider's main argument seems to be "I don't like Obamacare, therefore any and all actions against it are justified".

 

[RobDownSouth]

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1374260_10151991527463487_1667140134_n.jpg

If a patriot can stand in front of the White House brandishing the Confederate flag, then the word 'patriot' has no meaning.

Amen.

 

[jeninflorida]

We need more welfare! Only welfare will expand the GDP

 

[RjThoughts]

Jen confuses making healthcare affordable for everyone with welfare.

She gets wet panties every time she believes them darkies are getting freebies but isn't steamed when the TEAOPs receive their corporate welfare and subsidies, even when they berate the gummermint about handouts

 

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[RobDownSouth]

Vetty is still hopin' and prayin' that his fellow CowardlyMuricans will cause Murica to default.

"Better America fail than a colored president succeed!" has always been his watchword.

 

[kbate]

I know. In Kbate world robbery is legitimate economic activity, or gassing Jews to get their rings and bridgework.

Isn't it great the way you took your moronic ascription from the other thread and pretended as if it's something I said or believe in this thread.

No, it isn't great, and now I have to apologise to normal decent morons for associating them with you.

 

[Cade Is Here]

Obama and his fellow far leftist socialist asshats have been ruining the country long enough. Get rid of them all!

 

[zipman]

Presumptive, and never actually happened, until the House GOP did it.

but I suppose you're cool with one person holding the legislative process hostage just like you're cool with a very small minority of the GOP holding the economy hostage.

Fascist.

Vette believes in the tyranny of the minority where last second changes to house rules are okay.

He'll deflect and/or defend it until he claims he spoke out against it.

 

[unregistered]

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Note how the Democrats are angling for only a short-term fix.

They want to have this fight again, over and over, to keep bringing us to the brink because they are not interested in a solution, in fact a solution is anathema to them for it goes against their core economic idea, especially that deficits and debt do not matter, but in wining polling victories and the image battle. Doing damage to the country now, or in the near future does not bother them in the least bit, for if they can win back the government, they can simply go on another spending spree and issue another flood of regulation, audit and intimidation in order to ensure a one-party rule.

I think the conservatives see and realize this while the moderates are terrified at losing their reputations as avid fans of compromise.

They have yet to grasp that the Chicago Way is not compromise.

It is a knee-capping.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Let it be said without equivocation: the scourge of Obamacare will not be surrendered without a pitched battle to the very barricades of the Progressive's radicalized articles of faith. Indeed, its entire philosophical essence is the sine qua non of liberalism's virtue of equality accelerated to a fevered pitch. For the True Believer, it would be better that the entire architecture of American medicine be pulled down into ruins than for our own foreign-born Demi-God of Shared Misery to be denied his rancid pound of flesh.

This bears repeating: Obamacare is symbolic of the unmoored liberal spirit of ill-considered covetousness amplified to the nth degree -- for in the smoldering Lilliputian minds of men who worship social leveling and bloodless similitude above all things, it is far better that men share a bitter cup of bile in common than it is to entertain the possibility that humans could be fruitful and content in their unequal liberties. May every base act of their sullen political gimmickry be shattered into pieces upon the granite and marble of our great parks and memorials -- tangible proof to all the inhabitants of the earth that the strength of our republic resides in a long prescriptive history of liberty buttressed by our Founders' genius of judicious wisdom and time-honored law. Such a treasured legacy belongs to the procession of our generations -- and is not the province of a single petulant diva stomping his foot in the throes of his own royal tantrum.

Glenn Fairman

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Get ready for a long bout of Sequestration bashing, and remember, it is Obama's baby and the law of the and too...

As it happens, the deal supposedly being hatched in the Senate will fund government through January 15, 2014, just before $19 billion in a second round of sequestration cuts kick in. The idea is that this timing will give Democrats time to try and reverse the terrifying specter of spending just $967 billion rather than $986 billion or $1.058 trillion in discretionary dollars. Take a peek at the chart to the upper right, which tracks the impact of sequestration over a 10 year window. The tiny difference should make most people sleep soundly at night. Unless you actually care about the government actually living anywhere close to reality:

http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/15/get-ready-for-lots-of-talk-about-just-ho

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

HONOLULU — Think small business owners really are going to get tax credits through Obamacare health exchanges? Think again.

http://reason.com/archives/2013/10/15/obamacare-small-business-tax-credits-are

 

[zipman]

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Democrats are responsible for the shut down

Democrats just want a short term solution

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

According to two benchmark surveys by the New York Times NYT +0.32% and the Public Religion Research Institute, tea-party supporters espouse an ensemble of conservative beliefs with special intensity. Fifty-eight percent think that minorities get too much attention from government, and 65% view immigrants as a burden on the country. Most of the respondents see President Obama as someone who doesn't understand them and doesn't share their values. In their eyes, he's an extreme liberal whose policies consistently favor the poor. In fact, 92% believe that he is moving the country toward socialism.

Many frustrated liberals, and not a few pundits, think that people who share these beliefs must be downscale and poorly educated. The New York Times survey found the opposite. Only 26% of tea-party supporters regard themselves as working class, versus 34% of the general population; 50% identify as middle class (versus 40% nationally); and 15% consider themselves upper-middle class (versus 10% nationally). Twenty-three percent are college graduates, and an additional 14% have postgraduate training, versus 15% and 10%, respectively, for the overall population. Conversely, only 29% of tea-party supporters have just a high-school education or less, versus 47% for all adults.

Although some tea-party supporters are libertarian, most are not. The Public Religion Research Institute found that fully 47% regard themselves as members of the Christian right, and 55% believe that America is a Christian nation today—not just in the past. On hot-button social issues such as abortion and same-sex marriage, tea partiers are aligned with social conservatives. Seventy-one percent of tea-party supporters regard themselves as conservatives.

Nor, finally, is the tea party an independent outside force putting pressure on Republicans, according to the survey. Fully 76% of its supporters either identify with or lean toward the Republican Party. Rather, they are a dissident reform movement within the party, determined to move it back toward true conservatism after what they see as the apostasies of the Bush years and the outrages of the Obama administration.

Many tea-party supporters are small businessmen who see taxes and regulations as direct threats to their livelihood. Unlike establishment Republicans who see potential gains from government programs such as infrastructure funding, these tea partiers regard most government spending as a deadweight loss. Because many of them run low-wage businesses on narrow margins, they believe that they have no choice but to fight measures, such as ObamaCare, that reduce their flexibility and raise their costs—measures to which large corporations with deeper pockets can adjust.

It's no coincidence that the strengthening influence of the tea party is driving a wedge between corporate America and the Republican Party. It's hard to see how the U.S. can govern itself unless corporate America pushes the Republican establishment to fight back against the tea party—or switches sides.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303376904579135231053555194

 

[RobDownSouth]

Watching AJ and Vetty implode in this thread is a sight to behold.

They actually believed they could blame this Tea Party shutdown on the Democrats.

Mean old Democrats won't fold!

 

[mercury14]

Note how the Democrats are angling for only a short-term fix.

They want to have this fight again, over and over, to keep bringing us to the brink because they are not interested in a solution, in fact a solution is anathema to them for it goes against their core economic idea, especially that deficits and debt do not matter, but in wining polling victories and the image battle. Doing damage to the country now, or in the near future does not bother them in the least bit, for if they can win back the government, they can simply go on another spending spree and issue another flood of regulation, audit and intimidation in order to ensure a one-party rule.

I think the conservatives see and realize this while the moderates are terrified at losing their reputations as avid fans of compromise.

They have yet to grasp that the Chicago Way is not compromise.

It is a knee-capping.

Wait, what? The original Dem plan was to push the debt ceiling back to the next of 2014. But the GOP doesn't want that.

And the debt ceiling doesn't authorize more spending, it authorizes payment for spending already approved by the GOP House and the Dems. Basically everything in your post is exactly wrong.

 

[mercury14]

Here's the answer:

Lt. Gov. Dewhurst Says President Obama Should Be Impeached
Bud Gillett, CBS 11 News | CBSDFW.COM

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/10/15/lt-gov-dewhurst-says-president-obama-should-be-impeached/

Can't get what you want through the Democratic process? Then physically remove people.

Because I guess Biden would repeal the ACA if the GOP asked him.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Can't get what you want through the Democratic process? Then physically remove people.

Because I guess Biden would repeal the ACA if the GOP asked him.

Vetty simply cannot abide a black president. Never has, never will.

...but don't call him a racist, coz he has plenty of colored friends!

 

[jeninflorida]

Vetty simply cannot abide a black president. Never has, never will.

...but don't call him a racist, coz he has plenty of colored friends!

shut welfare obama down ... and you, must get a fucking job


ps, you are a racist RubingDownSouth!

 

[CNYCarol]

It will give them good press because people will suffer.

They have a red line they will not cross.

No Rubicon for rodeo clowns...


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/...-government-shutdown-97496.html#ixzz2gHQyxWIU

No compromise, no surrender unless it is for an enemy of America.

This bill is DOA. End of Discussion.

You just now figuring this out?

Obummer is a dictator. He's saying "Do it my way, or suffer."

 

[mercury14]

You just now figuring this out?

Obummer is a dictator. He's saying "Do it the way passed by a democratic majority like the Constitution says."

Fixed your post.

 

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[phrodeau]

You just now figuring this out?

Obummer is a dictator. He's saying "Do it my way, or suffer."

There's a government shutdown currently in progress. That pretty much proves that Obama is not a dictator.