Forced abortion and sterilization of the unfit and undesired

[Mike_Yates]

Should anyone deemed unfit or undesired be REQUIRED to be sterilized or undergo a forced abortion if they are pregnant? Also, should poor people be targeted for this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=M2BBsI70C4g&feature=endscreen&list=PL3D1E470A3A752692

 

[MatthewVett]

Should anyone deemed unfit or undesired be REQUIRED to be sterilized or undergo a forced abortion if they are pregnant? Also, should poor people be targeted for this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=M2BBsI70C4g&feature=endscreen&list=PL3D1E470A3A752692

Um, obviously not. Why would this even be a debate topic? The right hates abortion, the left wouldn't so greatly denigrate someone's dignity. Only maniacs would support this.

 

[Mike_Yates]

Eduard Krebsbach (8 August 1894 – 28 May 1947) was a former German physician and SS doctor in the Nazi concentration camp in Mauthausen from July 1941 to August 1943. He was executed for crimes against humanity committed at the Mauthausen camp.

Following the end of World War II he was arrested and given the death penalty during the Dachau trials conducted by the US military on 13 May 1946 and was executed by hanging on 28 May 1947 at Landsberg Prison in Landsberg am Lech.

The following is from the court record of the Dachau trials (quoted in Hans Maršálek, "Die Geschichte des Konzentrationslagers Mauthausen", p. 174):

"Krebsbach: When I started work I was ordered by the head of Office III D to kill or have killed all those who were unable to work, and the incurably sick.

Prosecutor: And how did you carry out this order?

Krebsbach: Incurably sick inmates who were absolutely incapable of work were generally gassed. Some were also killed by benzene injection.

Prosecutor: To your knowledge, how many persons were killed in this way in your presence?

Krebsbach: (no answer)

Prosecutor: You were ordered to kill those unfit to live?

Krebsbach: Yes. I was ordered to have persons killed if I was of the opinion that they were a burden on the state.

Prosecutor: Did it never occur to you that these were human beings, people who had the misfortune to be inmates or who had been neglected?

Krebsbach: No. People are like animals. Animals that are born deformed or incapable of living are put down at birth. This should be done for humanitarian reasons with people as well. This would prevent a lot of misery and unhappiness.

Prosecutor: That is your opinion. The world does not agree with you. Did it never occur to you that killing a human being is a terrible crime?

Krebsbach: No. Every state is entitled to protect itself against asocial persons including those unfit to live.

Prosecutor: In other words, it never occurred to you that what you were doing was a crime?

Krebsbach: No. I carried out my work to the best of my knowledge and belief because I had to."

 

[LadyVer]

A family friend had a kid with some kind of mental disability. It wasn't Down's but he had a low IQ. He was about the same age as me so when our families got together he and I spent a lot of time with other kids hanging out and doing what kids did back in the 60's. Pinecone wars, building tents, constructing secret hideaways at the drive-in, biking, swimming etc. Anyway, I found out later that when he finally had a girlfriend, who was mentally challenged herself, and planned to marry her, his mother made him get steralized. He married his girlfriend. Our families lost touch after that but to me there was always an ick factor about what his mother did. I can understand her reasoning but still it was hard to not feel sympathy for her son..He wasn't stupid by any means. Just slow.

 

[Mike_Yates]

A family friend had a kid with some kind of mental disability. It wasn't Down's but he had a low IQ. He was about the same age as me so when our families got together he and I spent a lot of time with other kids hanging out and doing what kids did back in the 60's. Pinecone wars, building tents, constructing secret hideaways at the drive-in, biking, swimming etc. Anyway, I found out later that when he finally had a girlfriend, who was mentally challenged herself, and planned to marry her, his mother made him get steralized. He married his girlfriend. Our families lost touch after that but to me there was always an ick factor about what his mother did. I can understand her reasoning but still it was hard to not feel sympathy for her son..He wasn't stupid by any means. Just slow.

And that's exactly what my problem is. Not retarded, just "slow." This is why I haven't been to college or gotten a job after graduating high school.

 

[LadyVer]

And that's exactly what my problem is. Not retarded, just "slow." This is why I haven't been to college or gotten a job after graduating high school.

You seem to have a college level vocabulary though so obviously you're able to compensate on some level.

 

[dougsan]

What the hell does society's ignotrance have to do with you advancing your formal education? As a person who is strongly against the way college courses are taught in the USA I don't understand your logic. The mother was a dumb fuck who did what she thought was best. It may have been wrong but it appears it was legal. Did her child have an illness which would be passed down?

During the reign of Hitler there were crimes committed against mostly Jews for which Germany should never be forgiven (nor should the USA or UK since we knew wht was going on and shose to ignore what was done to Jews and other undesireables). The research into humans which came out of all this ugliness is still treasured in some parts of the medical field.

So Hitler is dead. The Jews are still hated or disliked in many countries. Mothers stilll make major mistakes raising their children (almost as many mistakes as fathers). Why does all this equate to not furthering your formal education?

 

[MissMaidenMinx]

I could swear we've had this conversation before.

 

[Mike_Yates]

What the hell does society's ignotrance have to do with you advancing your formal education? As a person who is strongly against the way college courses are taught in the USA I don't understand your logic. The mother was a dumb fuck who did what she thought was best. It may have been wrong but it appears it was legal. Did her child have an illness which would be passed down?

During the reign of Hitler there were crimes committed against mostly Jews for which Germany should never be forgiven (nor should the USA or UK since we knew wht was going on and shose to ignore what was done to Jews and other undesireables). The research into humans which came out of all this ugliness is still treasured in some parts of the medical field.

So Hitler is dead. The Jews are still hated or disliked in many countries. Mothers stilll make major mistakes raising their children (almost as many mistakes as fathers). Why does all this equate to not furthering your formal education?

I was referring to those who have below-average intelligence and are not smart enough to earn any kind of academic degree.

When I was 17 years old and in high school, I took the Weschler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS-III) and was told by the school psychologist that I had an IQ (Intelligence Quotient) of approximately 89, which is significantly below average, and was promptly put into special education. Therefore the act of going to college (even at the undergraduate level) might be impossibly difficult for me. It is believed by geneticists that low IQ's are caused by random genetic mutations that occur while you are still developing inside your mother's womb. Both of my parents have IQ's above 100 so I am assuming that this is what happened to me.

The average IQ of a university student is 115-125. 89 is extremely inadequate for success with college-level academics.

Eugenics organizations like planned parenthood openly support the termination (abortion) of people who are deformed, diseased, and disabled. Although some disabilities (such as low intelligence derived by faulty genes) are impossible to detect before childbirth. However, scientists are hard at work trying to develop ways of more effectively screening unborn infants for genetic defects, deformities, diseases, and disabilities.

 

[MissMaidenMinx]

I am starting to wonder if you are an exceptional troll. The amount of research you seem to put into the effects of below average intelligence suggests your intelligence isn't as low as you claim.

 

[LadyVer]

I am starting to wonder if you are an exceptional troll. The amount of research you seem to put into the effects of below average intelligence suggests your intelligence isn't as low as you claim.

He's a conservative troll in hiding.

 

[Mike_Yates]

I am starting to wonder if you are an exceptional troll. The amount of research you seem to put into the effects of below average intelligence suggests your intelligence isn't as low as you claim.

Ever since I was told that I was mentally deficient about eight years ago, I have been thoroughly researching the devastating effects that mental disabilities have on a person's life.

And I have learned plenty.

 

[MissMaidenMinx]

Ever since I was told that I was mentally deficient about eight years ago, I have been thoroughly researching the devastating effects that mental disabilities have on a person's life.

And I have learned plenty.

That suggests, in my opinion, that if you were to study something you are deeply interested in and did it part time you would be fine.

 

[dougsan]

I have no data at hand to rebuke you Mike Yates but I sincerely doubt the average college student has an IQ above 100. I seem to remember, the average IQ runs around 90 to 100. You're suggesting average IQ people don't go to college. Tough to accept. I'll do some research tomorrow and get back to this thread.

 

[Mike_Yates]

I have no data at hand to rebuke you Mike Yates but I sincerely doubt the average college student has an IQ above 100. I seem to remember, the average IQ runs around 90 to 100. You're suggesting average IQ people don't go to college. Tough to accept. I'll do some research tomorrow and get back to this thread.

The average is 115 for university undergrads and 125+ for graduate students.

Community college students have IQ's of +/- 100.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

My IQ is 85, so Mike is smarter than me.

I compensate for low IQ by reading all I can, and storing all the nifty ideas I collect from what I read. I also have some rules of thumb I use in place of deep thinking: For example: If one thing don't work, I try something else. When I collide with something I don't get, I study it till I find its soul, and articulate that soul in simple language. For example: Whole libraries are filled with books about Borderline Personality Disorder (its not an addiction to Taco Bell!) and anybody who knows anything at all knows that BPD is a mystery for the ages. So I observed a few thousand people with the BPD diagnosis, and discovered that all of them share the same trait: Fifteen minutes after you meet one you wanna stab them thru their heart with your pencil. Then I discovered that the same process works for other disorders: Histrionics cant keep their knees together when they sit, Manic-Depressives like tattoos and wild nail polish, Sadists are too nice when you first meet them, and so on. I call my technique Dummy Psychiatry.

Here's a freebie for you, women who cheat cross their ankles and tuck their legs under their chairs when they sit.

 

[LadyVer]

My IQ is 85, so Mike is smarter than me.

I compensate for low IQ by reading all I can, and storing all the nifty ideas I collect from what I read. I also have some rules of thumb I use in place of deep thinking: For example: If one thing don't work, I try something else. When I collide with something I don't get, I study it till I find its soul, and articulate that soul in simple language. For example: Whole libraries are filled with books about Borderline Personality Disorder (its not an addiction to Taco Bell!) and anybody who knows anything at all knows that BPD is a mystery for the ages. So I observed a few thousand people with the BPD diagnosis, and discovered that all of them share the same trait: Fifteen minutes after you meet one you wanna stab them thru their heart with your pencil. Then I discovered that the same process works for other disorders: Histrionics cant keep their knees together when they sit, Manic-Depressives like tattoos and wild nail polish, Sadists are too nice when you first meet them, and so on. I call my technique Dummy Psychiatry.

Here's a freebie for you, women who cheat cross their ankles and tuck their legs under their chairs when they sit.

LOL..

PS Your last sentence reminded me of my av. And I've never cheated.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

LOL..

PS Your last sentence reminded me of my av. And I've never cheated.

I got curious about it and started asking female clients for a simple YES or NO (don't want the details). But most often the cheating was already known.

 

[dougsan]

OK, average college grad is 112 - 115, grad school grad 125. I stand corrected.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

OK, average college grad is 112 - 115, grad school grad 125. I stand corrected.

I have a theory about IQ scores: They correspond directly with weight, and both are fine up to a point where neither flatter much.