Trump and the Ukraine War.

[Chobham]

There are millions of Americans that believe that had Trump been re-elected that Russia would have never invaded Ukraine. That 'belief' borders on religious in many respects but it's worthy of examination. So let's start with the genesis of the US enmity towards Russia.

Food for Thought.

Carlson starts out with a fact, the DNC's assertion that the Russian's hacked their server re. the exposure of the machinations to stop Sanders. No evidence to support that assertion exists to this day. I will say that the micro-genesis goes back to Hillary and the 'reset button' episode. The premise behind that was the assumption that Russia was a 'real' enemy, without that assumption the whole episode makes no sense at all. Carlson then proceeds to weave fact with commentary/projection to make his case. I don't buy all of it and neither should anyone else.

Could Trump have prevented the invasion? There is NO evidence that his re-election could have prevented the invasion. Any supposition that he could have is nothing more than "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" and there is evidence to suggest that the invasion would have taken place no matter who was in the White House. However Trump never bought into the "Russia is our enemy" mantra that the democrats kept pushing as part of their deflection campaign re. the tipping the scales against Sanders and the loss of the 2016 election. However the failure of the Democrats foreign policies under Obama and now Biden do nothing but fuel the notion of an alternate history had Trump been re-elected.

The point I'm making here is that the blaming of foreign powers as a domestic political tool is a dangerous road to tread. To make it the bedrock of a parties public policy has almost always become a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that political tool isn't restricted to foreign powers. Gas station owners as the cause of high prices, or parents as 'domestic terrorists.' I'm certain that this post is going to be followed by a host of examples where the conservative side of the house has employed the same public policy and in cases they'd be right to do so. Any party that employs that tactic should be viewed with a great deal of skepticism. Without hard empirical evidence they are engaging in "the dog ate my homework" rhetoric.

 

[jaF0]

Millions of Americans are imbeciles. You quoting Cucker proves you are one of them.

Vlad was counting on his puppet being re-installed so his 30 day special military tomfoolery would be allowed to take place without western intervention.

 

[Chobham]

Millions of Americans are imbeciles. You quoting Cucker proves you are one of them.

Vlad was counting on his puppet being re-installed so his 30 day special military tomfoolery would be allowed to take place without western intervention.

I covered your post before you ever wrote it.

 

[SimonDoom]

It's speculative. We'll never know. I don't know what Trump would have, or could have, done differently to prevent Russia from attacking Ukraine. I'll note that his own National Security Advisor, John Bolton, has said it's wrong to believe Trump deterred Russia in any way, and he says that Trump barely knew anything about Russia or Ukraine. Bolton worked closely with Trump, so he would know.

 

[icanhelp1]

I covered your post before you ever wrote it.

JaFO and others like him overlook the fact that Trump would smile at Putin’s face while planting a knee to his balls. Sanctioning Nord stream 2 pipeline, the Conoco fields incident, two missile strikes in Syria where Russian military were collocated. Putin didn’t know how Trump would have reacted to Putin’s invasion into Ukraine . Trump threatened Putin telling Putin there would be grave consequences if he did. The fact that Trump ordered a missile strike while warning Putin that he would be on the receiving end of US action if he used chemical weapons I believe weighed heavy in Putin’s mind about invading while Trump was in office.

 

[schism666]

There are millions of Americans that believe that had Trump been re-elected that Russia would have never invaded Ukraine. That 'belief' borders on religious in many respects but it's worthy of examination. So let's start with the genesis of the US enmity towards Russia.

Food for Thought.

Carlson starts out with a fact, the DNC's assertion that the Russian's hacked their server re. the exposure of the machinations to stop Sanders. No evidence to support that assertion exists to this day. I will say that the micro-genesis goes back to Hillary and the 'reset button' episode. The premise behind that was the assumption that Russia was a 'real' enemy, without that assumption the whole episode makes no sense at all. Carlson then proceeds to weave fact with commentary/projection to make his case. I don't buy all of it and neither should anyone else.

Could Trump have prevented the invasion? There is NO evidence that his re-election could have prevented the invasion. Any supposition that he could have is nothing more than "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" and there is evidence to suggest that the invasion would have taken place no matter who was in the White House. However Trump never bought into the "Russia is our enemy" mantra that the democrats kept pushing as part of their deflection campaign re. the tipping the scales against Sanders and the loss of the 2016 election. However the failure of the Democrats foreign policies under Obama and now Biden do nothing but fuel the notion of an alternate history had Trump been re-elected.

The point I'm making here is that the blaming of foreign powers as a domestic political tool is a dangerous road to tread. To make it the bedrock of a parties public policy has almost always become a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that political tool isn't restricted to foreign powers. Gas station owners as the cause of high prices, or parents as 'domestic terrorists.' I'm certain that this post is going to be followed by a host of examples where the conservative side of the house has employed the same public policy and in cases they'd be right to do so. Any party that employs that tactic should be viewed with a great deal of skepticism. Without hard empirical evidence they are engaging in "the dog ate my homework" rhetoric.

thankfully, there are millions more patriots in america than people like you and we never have to speculate on how much worse we'd be with that moron in charge.

 

[schism666]

JaFO and others like him overlook the fact that Trump would smile at Putin’s face while planting a knee to his balls. Sanctioning Nord stream 2 pipeline, the Conoco fields incident, two missile strikes in Syria where Russian military were collocated. Putin didn’t know how Trump would have reacted to Putin’s invasion into Ukraine . Trump threatened Putin telling Putin there would be grave consequences if he did. The fact that Trump ordered a missile strike while warning Putin that he would be on the receiving end of US action if he used chemical weapons I believe weighed heavy in Putin’s mind about invading while Trump was in office.

"i don't carry water for trump!"

LMFAO!

 

[coati]

The opening post is yet another example of pseudo-intellectual mental maturbation, this time originating from the least reputable TV network in the U.S.

Putin was given every opportunity (including several "resets") to be a responsible player in the world community. He chose not to do that. Now he must be contained.

A similar course of events happened with Hitler.

 

[ll74]

There's no evidence that the situation would've turned out differently.

The masturbatory praise of Putin as a strong leader from other autocrats has always been troubling. Fucker Carlton continuously blames the war on the US...as do others. Some even refer to it as a broder dispute. Pathetic.

 

[jaF0]

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Donny would have aided Vlad, at the very least by not providing support for defense and very possibly by deterring EU nations from providing support.

Vlad's 30 day miracle would have been over long ago and UKR would no longer exist.

 

[schism666]

The opening post is yet another example of pseudo-intellectual mental maturbation, this time originating from the least reputable TV network in the U.S.

Putin was given every opportunity (including several "resets") to be a responsible player in the world community. He chose not to do that. Now he must be contained.

A similar course of events happened with Hitler.

i agree. ish's bff, aj, would be super mad at ish's palpable tds.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

I followed OP's link half expecting it to lead to a YouTube video of Jordan Peterson. Turns out it was a video of Tucker Carlson. Assmeal really is without shame or embarrassment.

 

[schism666]

at least peterson and carlson know trump is a fraudster. ish, not so much.

 

[ll74]

I followed OP's link half expecting it to lead to a YouTube video of Jordan Peterson. Turns out it was a video of Tucker Carlson. Assmeal really is without shame or embarrassment.

He likes people who speak the same racism and sound smart.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

JaFO and others like him overlook the fact that Trump would smile at Putin’s face while planting a knee to his balls.

Really? Lets see how that would occur. Lets assume for a moment Trump would do something. What would that look like. I know it wouldn't be Trump giving Putin, a trained killer, a knee to the balls in person.

No Trump would have to do something, but what? Sanctions, troops on the ground, military aid, maybe financial aid? Like really what else could Trump do? Threaten to nuke Russia???

Come on ican't, lets hear what you think Trump would have done, that would have ended this war.

Sanctioning Nord stream 2 pipeline, the Conoco fields incident, two missile strikes in Syria where Russian military were collocated.

Ahh some of ican't famous conspiracy theories, but he is still second fiddle to wrongway, aj and chubby.

Putin didn’t know how Trump would have reacted to Putin’s invasion into Ukraine .

I disagree. i think Putin knew exactly how Trump would react. He waited for the election, seeing that Biden would be president, he rolled the dice anyhow.

Trump threatened Putin telling Putin there would be grave consequences if he did. The fact that Trump ordered a missile strike while warning Putin that he would be on the receiving end of US action if he used chemical weapons

Seems to me, Putin was in Ukraine that whole period, I never notice him make any adjustments to the occupied areas. I also notice Trump didn't show any concern about trying to get Putin out of those illegally occupied territories either.

I believe weighed heavy in Putin’s mind about invading while Trump was in office.

The only thing that ever weighs heavily in Trumps mind, is how people view him.....you please him greatly!!!

Don't forget to explain what Trump would do to get Putin to leave Ukraine.....

 

[Rightguide]

There are millions of Americans that believe that had Trump been re-elected that Russia would have never invaded Ukraine. That 'belief' borders on religious in many respects but it's worthy of examination. So let's start with the genesis of the US enmity towards Russia.

Food for Thought.

Carlson starts out with a fact, the DNC's assertion that the Russian's hacked their server re. the exposure of the machinations to stop Sanders. No evidence to support that assertion exists to this day. I will say that the micro-genesis goes back to Hillary and the 'reset button' episode. The premise behind that was the assumption that Russia was a 'real' enemy, without that assumption the whole episode makes no sense at all. Carlson then proceeds to weave fact with commentary/projection to make his case. I don't buy all of it and neither should anyone else.

Could Trump have prevented the invasion? There is NO evidence that his re-election could have prevented the invasion. Any supposition that he could have is nothing more than "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" and there is evidence to suggest that the invasion would have taken place no matter who was in the White House. However Trump never bought into the "Russia is our enemy" mantra that the democrats kept pushing as part of their deflection campaign re. the tipping the scales against Sanders and the loss of the 2016 election. However the failure of the Democrats foreign policies under Obama and now Biden do nothing but fuel the notion of an alternate history had Trump been re-elected.

The point I'm making here is that the blaming of foreign powers as a domestic political tool is a dangerous road to tread. To make it the bedrock of a parties public policy has almost always become a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that political tool isn't restricted to foreign powers. Gas station owners as the cause of high prices, or parents as 'domestic terrorists.' I'm certain that this post is going to be followed by a host of examples where the conservative side of the house has employed the same public policy and in cases they'd be right to do so. Any party that employs that tactic should be viewed with a great deal of skepticism. Without hard empirical evidence they are engaging in "the dog ate my homework" rhetoric.

I think it all began with the Obama/Biden lack of response to the initial Crimean invasion. I think the present invasion of Ukraine happened because Joe Biden seemed to invite Putin into making a "minor incursion" into Ukraine, which Putin promptly did and then expanded upon having sensed weakness in Joe Biden.

There is a cabal of anti-Russian actors headed by Victoria Nuland in our State Department that have long wanted to reinvent Russia and exploit its vast resources. This is the same cabal that took us into Serbia, Syria, Libya, and Iraq. It's been all about Russia, Russia, Russia, for decades while the real enemy, the CCP, was allowed to build its industry and military to the point it is today, the preeminent security threat to the survival of United States of America.

Russia is a threat but it never had plans to invade and displace the US as the number one military and economic power in the World. Russia is not capable of such an undertaking. Its economy at its best is only about as big as that of Texas, it's a dying country. Yes, the Ukrainians should be assisted in their battle against Russian aggression but not to the point of weakening our own capability to defend ourselves against our real enemy, China. The way to help Ukraine is to take the 360 billion dollars of Russian assets that have been seized by the United States that were held in US financial institutions and give it to the Ukrainians and we wouldn't have to spend a dime of our own money to push back Russia in Ukraine. That's enough money to finance major offensives by Ukraine against Russian invaders.

 

[jomar]

I think it all began with the Obama/Biden lack of response to the initial Crimean invasion. I think the present invasion of Ukraine happened because Joe Biden seemed to invite Putin into making a "minor incursion" into Ukraine, which Putin promptly did and then expanded upon having sensed weakness in Joe Biden.

There is a cabal of anti-Russian actors headed by Victoria Nuland in our State Department that have long wanted to reinvent Russia and exploit its vast resources. This is the same cabal that took us into Serbia, Syria, Libya, and Iraq. It's been all about Russia, Russia, Russia, for decades while the real enemy, the CCP, was allowed to build its industry and military to the point it is today, the preeminent security threat to the survival of United States of America.

Russia is a threat but it never had plans to invade and displace the US as the number one military and economic power in the World. Russia is not capable of such an undertaking. Its economy at its best is only about as big as that of Texas, it's a dying country. Yes, the Ukrainians should be assisted in their battle against Russian aggression but not to the point of weakening our own capability to defend ourselves against our real enemy, China. The way to help Ukraine is to take the 360 billion dollars of Russian assets that have been seized by the United States that were held in US financial institutions and give it to the Ukrainians and we wouldn't have to spend a dime of our own money to push back Russia in Ukraine. That's enough money to finance major offensives by Ukraine against Russian invaders.

So China plans to invade the US?

Also, while Obama underestimated Russia, if he had responded quickly and strongly against Russia for Crimea, you rwcj deep state conspiracy guys would have been screaming accusations he was recklessly flirting with and likely dragging us into a nuclear world war lll

So what’s that called…can’t win for losing, double bind, dammed if you do and dammed if you don’t, business as usual for the breitbart/oan/parler/federalist/etc crowd?

 

[Philthy_Phil]

 

[DeluxAuto]

I think it all began with the Obama/Biden

You were a sniveling little bitch long before then but Obama definitely exacerbated your problem,

 

[RobDownSouth]

I covered your post before you ever wrote it.

Claiming victimhood pre-emptively is something of a tradition amongst the loudest whiner for the RWCJ here.

 

[LLCox]

Jesus Christ trump looks bad.

 

[KeithD]

As is floating around on the Internet, the reality, if Ukraine had happened on Trump's watch, is that the Russians would be occupying Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova, etc., as well as Ukraine now.

 

[Lazaran]

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Did you ever see Trump so happy?

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Did you ever see Putin so Happy?

That is Putin’s “Everything is going exactly according to plan” face.

“Evil villain face” for short.

SAD!!!

 

[Rightguide]

As is floating around on the Internet, the reality, if Ukraine had happened on Trump's watch, is that the Russians would be occupying Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Moldova, etc., as well as Ukraine now.

Leftwing memes are tiresome and without evidence.

 

[AlexBailey]

Leftwing memes are tiresome and without evidence.

You’re right, there is no evidence that left wing memes are tiresome.