Trump and the Ukraine War.

You’re right, there is no evidence that left wing memes are tiresome.
Your skills in reading comprehension need a tune up. If I'm right, as you claim, you couldn't possibly arrive at that conclusion.
 
LOL he's to ignorant to understand, but I give you credit for having the patience to try with him.

The more I read Rightguide’s posts the more I suspect he’s on someone’s payroll.


It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It​


- Upton Sinclair
 
The more I read Rightguide’s posts the more I suspect he’s on someone’s payroll.


It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It​


- Upton Sinclair
He is, he works for Putin. But he is one of the better ones. There are some real losers like the one posting under urguyscott and RenarRuse...
 
There are millions of Americans that believe that had Trump been re-elected that Russia would have never invaded Ukraine. That 'belief' borders on religious in many respects but it's worthy of examination. So let's start with the genesis of the US enmity towards Russia.

Food for Thought.

Carlson starts out with a fact, the DNC's assertion that the Russian's hacked their server re. the exposure of the machinations to stop Sanders. No evidence to support that assertion exists to this day. I will say that the micro-genesis goes back to Hillary and the 'reset button' episode. The premise behind that was the assumption that Russia was a 'real' enemy, without that assumption the whole episode makes no sense at all. Carlson then proceeds to weave fact with commentary/projection to make his case. I don't buy all of it and neither should anyone else.

Could Trump have prevented the invasion? There is NO evidence that his re-election could have prevented the invasion. Any supposition that he could have is nothing more than "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" and there is evidence to suggest that the invasion would have taken place no matter who was in the White House. However Trump never bought into the "Russia is our enemy" mantra that the democrats kept pushing as part of their deflection campaign re. the tipping the scales against Sanders and the loss of the 2016 election. However the failure of the Democrats foreign policies under Obama and now Biden do nothing but fuel the notion of an alternate history had Trump been re-elected.

The point I'm making here is that the blaming of foreign powers as a domestic political tool is a dangerous road to tread. To make it the bedrock of a parties public policy has almost always become a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that political tool isn't restricted to foreign powers. Gas station owners as the cause of high prices, or parents as 'domestic terrorists.' I'm certain that this post is going to be followed by a host of examples where the conservative side of the house has employed the same public policy and in cases they'd be right to do so. Any party that employs that tactic should be viewed with a great deal of skepticism. Without hard empirical evidence they are engaging in "the dog ate my homework" rhetoric.
Let me address your post one point at a time.
Firstly, the use of Tucker Carlson as a credible opinion on anything. Fox network has admitted in open court that Tucker's show isn't news or even editorial opinion, but only entertainment. Additionally, Tucker, along with many of his fellow commentators on Fox, was caught red-handed admitting that the "news" they were trying to sell on the network was manufactured manure and they didn't believe any of it. And you want to use this person's opinion as the basis for your claim? You do realize, because of the foregoing, that using Tucker as a source to legitimize your opinion means anything you said later in the post can't be taken seriously, yeah?

Second, on the claim of the hacking of the DNC computers that, "No evidence to support that assertion exists to this day." While it is true there is no concrete "they positively did it" evidence, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that points directly to the Russian troll farms as the DNC hackers. Many of the code lines incorporated into the virus used have an indelible fingerprint style that has only been seen in attacks coming from the Russian trolls. While others could use this code, the preponderance of the evidence points to the Russians. So your claim that no evidence exists is for an attack by the Russians is erroneous.



Could Trump have prevented the attack on Ukraine by Russia? I do not believe so. I do believe that he would have tried to legitimize that attack by use of his usual tactics. why? You pointed that out here, "However Trump never bought into the "Russia is our enemy" mantra..." No, he did not. And why did he not? Because he was trying to make a deal to build in Russia that would have netted him millions. He would have thrown Ukraine to the Russians in a heartbeat to make that deal. So it is with Trump, money over EVERYTHING.


Your premise is flawed, your supporting opinion is flawed, it appears your entire supposition is no more than wishes built on air.


Comshaw
 
First of all you can save your fingers typing what I already know, ALL of those shows on EVERY network are commentary. Selected facts are presented and a story woven around them.

Re. the DNC server. The DNC chose a (politically) trusted third party to do the forensic's. They steadfastly refused to allow the FBI or any other qualified organzation to investigate the server. Consequently, as far as I'm concerned the 'report' issued falls into the same category as hearsay. The culprits could just as easily have been the Chinese or the kid next door.

I already stated that I doubt whether Trump being in office would have made any difference.

But you, and others, seem to have missed my main thesis, that being political powers capriciously using foreign powers as a political tool.
 
Actions the Trump administration levied against the Russian government and individuals involved in hacking and other aggressive actions used to interfere with US elections. It seems to indicate that Trump and Putin were not BFF's.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...rd-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

"The Trump administration’s policy actions often seemed at odds with the President’s rhetoric. To set the record on policy actions, rather than rhetoric, Alina Polyakova and Filippos Letsas tracked the administration’s concrete actions on Russia from 2017 to 2019."



"2019​

Dec 5 ...Sanctions – In response to $100 million bank hacking scheme
A Russian-based cybercriminal organization called “Evil Corp” was sanctioned for using malware to steal more than $100 million from banks and financial institutions
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Sep 30 ...Sanctions – In response to 2018 election interference attempt
Four entities and seven individuals, including Russian financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin, were sanctioned over attempted interference in the 2018 U.S. midterm elections.

Sep 26 ...Sanctions – In response to sanctions-evading scheme for Syria
The Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control identified Moscow-based Maritime Assistance LLC as the head of a “sanctions evasion scheme” to deliver jet fuel to Syria.

Aug 2 ...Sanctions – In response to Salisbury attack
The U.S. Department of State announced more sanctions against Russia over its use of a nerve agent in Salisbury in 2018. The sanctions fall under the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act and mean the U.S. will oppose loans and assistance by international financial institutions, and restrictions on the export on Department of Commerce-controlled goods and technology.

May 16 ...Sanctions – In response to human rights abuses
A Chechen group and 5 Russian individuals were sanctioned under the Magnitsky Act over allegations of human rights abuses, including extrajudicial killings and the torture of LGBT people.May 14Meeting – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Moscow, RussiaMay 1Statement – On democracy in Venezuela
President Trump denounced Russia’s continued support for the Maduro regime in Venezuela.

Apr 24 ...Statement – In response to Russian assault on Ukraine’s sovereignty
The U.S. Department of State condemned Russia’s decision to grant expedited citizenship to residents of Russia-controlled eastern Ukraine.

Mar 15 ...Sanctions – In response to Russia’s continued aggression in Ukraine
6 Russian individuals and 8 entities were sanctioned for their involvement in attacks on Ukrainian naval vessels in the Kerch Strait, the annexation of Crimea, and backing of separatist government elections in eastern Ukraine. These actions complement sanctions also taken by the European Union and Canada on the same day.

Mar 14 ...Statement – In response to escalation of attacks against Idlib, Syria
The U.S. Department of State condemned Russian offensive operations against northern Hama and southern Idlib in Syria.

Mar 11 ...Sanctions – In response to dealings with Venezuela
The United States sanctioned Evrofinance Mosnarbank, a Moscow-based bank jointly owned by Russian and Venezuelan state-owned companies, for attempting to circumvent U.S. sanctions on Venezuela.

Mar 4 ...Notice – Continuation of national emergency with respect to Ukraine
President Trump announced the continuation for one year of the national emergency declared with respect to Ukraine.

Feb 27 ...Statement – On Russian occupation of Crimea
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement condemning Russia’s illegal actions in Crimea and its continued aggression against Ukraine.

Feb 1 ...Statement – Withdrawing from the INF Treaty
The U.S. administration announced it would suspend its obligations under the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty because Russia was not complying with it.

Jan 29 ...Release – Worldwide Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community
U.S. intelligence officials delivered their annual assessment of global threats to national security to Congress, identifying cooperation between China and Russia as their top concern.

 
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Continued actions against Putin:

"2018​

Dec 21Statement – Increasing security assistance to Ukraine’s navy
The U.S. Department of State announced it would provide an additional $10 million in Foreign Military Financing to further build Ukraine’s naval capabilities in response to Russian attacks near the Kerch Strait.

Dec 19 ...Sanctions – In response to Russia’s continued disregard for international norms
18 Russian individuals were sanctioned for their involvement in a wide range of malign activities, including attempting to interfere in the 2016 U.S. election, efforts to undermine international organizations through cyber-enabled means, and the Skripal attack in the United Kingdom.

Dec 7 ...Statement – In response to Russian false allegations on chemical weapons use in Aleppo, Syria
The U.S. Department of State refuted Russia’s and the Assad regime’s false accusations that the opposition and extremist groups conducted a chlorine attack in northwestern Aleppo.

Dec 4 ...Statement – Withdrawing from the INF Treaty
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that the U.S. would withdraw from the 1987 Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty in 60 days if Russia did not return to compliance.

Oct 4 ...Indictments – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
7 officers of the Russian military intelligence service (GRU) were charged for their involvement in hacking Olympic athletes, anti-doping organizations, and chemical weapons monitors.

Sep 20 ...Sanctions – In response to malicious activities
33 Russian individuals and entities were sanctioned for their role in U.S. election interference and their involvement in supporting military operations in Syria and Ukraine. A Chinese entity and its director were also sanctioned for purchasing jet fighters and missiles from Russia.

Sep 12 ...Executive Order – Imposing sanctions for election interference
President Trump signed an executive order imposing sanctions on any nation or individual who authorizes, directs, or sponsors meddling operations in U.S. elections. The order would allow for the freezing of assets and the limiting of foreign access to U.S. financial institutions, as well as a cutoff of U.S. investment in sanctioned companies.

Aug 21 ...Sanctions – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
2 Russian individuals, a Russian company, and a Slovakian company were sanctioned for helping another Russian company avoid sanctions over the country’s malicious cyber-related activities.

Jul 16 ...Meeting – Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki, FinlandJul 13Indictments – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
12 Russian intelligence officers were sanctioned for their involvement in hacking the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton presidential campaign.

Jul 11-12 ...Meeting – NATO Summit in Brussels, BelgiumJun 11Sanctions – In response to malicious cyber-related activities
5 Russian entities and 3 individuals – all closely linked to Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) – were sanctioned.

Apr 6Sanctions – In response to worldwide malign activity
7 Russian oligarchs and the companies they own or control, 17 senior Russian government officials, and a state-owned Russian weapons trading company (and a bank it owns) were sanctioned for their roles in advancing Russia’s malign activities – including the continued occupation of Crimea, engaging in cyberattacks, and supporting Assad’s regime.

Mar 26 ...Expulsions – Russian intelligence officers in Washington and Seattle
48 Russian intelligence officers from the Russian embassy in Washington were expelled, and the Russian consulate in Seattle was ordered to close, in response to the Skripal poisoning in the United Kingdom.

Mar 25 ...Expulsions – Russian intelligence officers in New York
12 Russian intelligence officers from the Russian Mission to the United Nations in New York were expelled for actions deemed to be abuses of their privilege of residence.

Mar 15 ...Sanctions – In response to election meddling and cyberattacks
5 Russian entities and 19 individuals were sanctioned for conducting a series of cyberattacks and interfering in the 2016 U.S. elections.

Mar 15 ...Alert – In response to Russian government cyber activity
The Department of Homeland Security and FBI issued a joint Technical Alert on Russian government actions targeting U.S. government entities, as well as organizations in the energy, nuclear, commercial facilities, water, aviation, and critical manufacturing sectors.

Mar 15 ...Statement – In response to Salisbury attack
The United States issued a joint statement with France, Germany, and the United Kingdom strongly condemning the Salisbury nerve agent attack and suggesting Russia was responsible for it.

Mar 14 ...Statement – In response to Salisbury attack
The U.S. administration issued a statement expressing its solidarity to the United Kingdom over the nerve agent attack in Salisbury, and sharing its assessment that Russia was responsible for it.

Mar 4 ...Statement – In response to Russian and Syrian regime attacks on Eastern Gouta, Syria
The U.S. administration condemned the military offensive that the Assad regime, backed by Russia and Iran, had been conducting in Syria’s Eastern Ghouta region.

Mar 4 ...Poisoning – Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, EnglandFeb 16Indictments – In response to election meddling and cyberattacks
3 Russian entities and 13 individuals were indicted for conducting information operations to influence the 2016 U.S. elections.
Feb 15Statement – In response to “NotPetya”
The U.S. administration condemned the Russian military for launching a destructive cyberattack in June 2017, also known as “NotPetya.”

Feb 13 ...Statement – Proposing sanctions on Latvian bank involved in illicit Russian-related activity


Feb 7 ...Military Action – In response to attack on U.S.-held base in Deir Ezzor, Syria
U.S. troops killed hundreds of Syrian forces backed by Russian mercenaries (as well as Russian private military contractors). The American bombing was launched in response to a surprise attack on a U.S.-held base in the oil-rich Deir Ezzor region in Syria.

Jan 29 ...Release – Russian ‘Oligarch list’
The Department of the Treasury released a list of the most significant senior foreign political figures and oligarchs in the Russian Federation that could potentially be at risk of sanctions (114 senior political figures close to Russian President Putin and 96 oligarchs with a net worth of $1 billion or more).

Jan 26 ...Sanctions – In response to Ukraine conflict
21 individuals and 9 entities were sanctioned in connection with the conflict in Ukraine and Russia’s occupation of Crimea.


 
Continued actions against Putin:

2017​

Dec 22 ...Announcement – Provision of lethal weapons to Ukraine
The U.S. administration approved a plan to provide Ukraine with enhanced defensive capabilities to help it fight off Russia-backed separatists.

Dec 20 ...Sanctions – Global Magnitsky Act
52 people and entities from Russia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, and elsewhere were sanctioned for alleged human rights violations and corruption.

Dec 19 ...Export restrictions – In response to INF Treaty violation
The Department of Commerce announced new licensing and export restrictions on Russian companies Novator and Titan-Barrikady over production of a cruise missile prohibited by the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF).

Dec 18 ...Release – National Security Strategy
The White House released its National Security Strategy, identifying Russia and China as adversarial to the United States.

Nov 10-11 ...Meeting – APEC Economic Leaders’ Summit in Da Nang, Vietnam

Oct 27 ...Release – Guidance on CAATSA Section 231(d)
The Department of State issued public guidance on the implementation of Section 231 of the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act of 2017 (CAATSA). The guidance specified 39 entities that the Department of State determined are part of – or are operating on behalf of – the Russian defense or intelligence sectors.

Sep 13 ...Ban – Government use of Kaspersky Labs software
The U.S. administration banned the use of Kaspersky Labs software on government computers due to Kaspersky’s ties to Russian intelligence services.

Aug 2L ...egislation – President Trump signs Russia sanctions bill into law (CAATSA)
President Trump signed into law the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions act (CAATSA), enacting new sanctions on Russia, Iran, and North Korea.

Jul 7-8 ...Meeting – G-20 Summit in Hamburg, GermanyMay 26-27Meeting – G-7 Summit in Sicily, ItalyMay 24-25Meeting – NATO Summit in Brussels, BelgiumMar 15Indictments – In response to 2014 Yahoo hack
Three Russian individuals were charged for the 2014 Yahoo hack, including two officers of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB)."

 
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First of all you can save your fingers typing what I already know, ALL of those shows on EVERY network are commentary. Selected facts are presented and a story woven around them.

Re. the DNC server. The DNC chose a (politically) trusted third party to do the forensic's. They steadfastly refused to allow the FBI or any other qualified organzation to investigate the server. Consequently, as far as I'm concerned the 'report' issued falls into the same category as hearsay. The culprits could just as easily have been the Chinese or the kid next door.

I already stated that I doubt whether Trump being in office would have made any difference.

But you, and others, seem to have missed my main thesis, that being political powers capriciously using foreign powers as a political tool.
You build a case for your opinion on reporting by a known and proven liar, then try to dodge the facts by saying, "Selected facts are presented and a story woven around them." Selected facts huh? Like the truth maybe? It's really hard to dodge the truth once it has seen the light.

As far as your second paragraph, a quick search brought up at least 6 articles about the FBI investigating the hack. Oh My! But, but, but, but ,but... So again you prove your backing information wrong.

And I don't think anyone missed anything. When a case is built on a rotten foundation, a liar's opinions and "selected facts" (odd how you cry about that but use it consistently) the conclusion arrived at is flawed and while may contain some truth, it is not worth the effort to separate the small amount of true from the useless detritus.

Comshaw
 
ican'thelpbutlovetrump proving that he unequivocally doesn't carry water for Donald. (his words)

LMFAO!
 
Actions the Trump administration levied against the Russian government and individuals involved in hacking and other aggressive actions used to interfere with US elections. It seems to indicate that Trump and Putin were not BFF's.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...rd-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

"The Trump administration’s policy actions often seemed at odds with the President’s rhetoric. To set the record on policy actions, rather than rhetoric, Alina Polyakova and Filippos Letsas tracked the administration’s concrete actions on Russia from 2017 to 2019."
I'm highlighting an important fact, in your post ican't. Yes the Administration did implement Congress approved sanctions ( Congress not Trump) and Trump tried to block them....

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/16/17242484/nikki-haley-trump-russia-sanctions-syria
 
DOJ:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/gran...ficers-hacking-offenses-related-2016-election

Grand Jury Indicts 12 Russian Intelligence Officers for Hacking Offenses Related to the 2016 Election​


"According to the allegations in the indictment, Viktor Borisovich Netyksho, Boris Alekseyevich Antonov, Dmitriy Sergeyevich Badin, Ivan Sergeyevich Yermakov, Aleksey Viktorovich Lukashev, Sergey Aleksandrovich Morgachev, Nikolay Yuryevich Kozachek, Pavel Vyacheslavovich Yershov, Artem Andreyevich Malyshev, Aleksandr Vladimirovich Osadchuk, Aleksey Aleksandrovich Potemkin, and Anatoliy Sergeyevich Kovalev were officials in Unit 26165 and Unit 74455 of the Russian government’s Main Intelligence Directorate."

"The Department of Justice today announced that a grand jury in the District of Columbia returned an indictment presented by the Special Counsel’s Office. The indictment charges twelve Russian nationals for committing federal crimes that were intended to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. All twelve defendants are members of the GRU, a Russian Federation intelligence agency within the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Russian military. These GRU officers, in their official capacities, engaged in a sustained effort to hack into the computer networks of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the Democratic National Committee, and the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton, and released that information on the internet under the names "DCLeaks" and "Guccifer 2.0" and through another entity."

"In 2016, officials in Unit 26165 began spearphishing volunteers and employees of the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton, including the campaign’s chairman. Through that process, officials in this unit were able to steal the usernames and passwords for numerous individuals and use those credentials to steal email content and hack into other computers. They also were able to hack into the computer networks of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) through these spearphishing techniques to steal emails and documents, covertly monitor the computer activity of dozens of employees, and implant hundreds of files of malicious computer code to steal passwords and maintain access to these networks."
 
ican'thelpbutlovetrump proving that he unequivocally doesn't carry water for Donald. (his words)

LMFAO!
Posting credible actions levied is not carrying water. These actions actually happened. These actions dispel the notion that Trump was a Russian bot. You may hate the man but ya can't rewrite history.
 
Posting credible actions levied is not carrying water. These actions actually happened. These actions dispel the notion that Trump was a Russian bot. You may hate the man but ya can't rewrite history.
Can you dispel the Russian piss tape?

ETA: trump was a Russian asset long before his 2016 campaign 😉
 
Whether Putin would have invaded Ukraine during the Trump administration is unknowable, but my posting would suggest that Putin had a lot to think about. One very important fact that perhaps played a part in Putin's thought process and willingness to take on risk were the sanctions levied against Nord stream II contractors. IMHO
 
Can you dispel the Russian piss tape?

ETA: trump was a Russian asset long before his 2016 campaign 😉
Before the 2016 presidential campaign he was a businessman out to make money. One of Trump's long time visions was building a luxury tower in downtown Moscow, that's what businessmen do.
 
Before the 2016 presidential campaign he was a businessman out to make money. One of Trump's long time visions was building a luxury tower in downtown Moscow, that's what businessmen do.
Correct! And it was Putin's palm that he greased

That's what businessman do.
 
Correct! And it was Putin's palm that he greased

That's what businessman do.
That, among other corrupt and criminal acts, certainly is what Trump always has done. But this is OK with ICan't (which tells us a lot about the values of ICan't).
 
a little off subject -
but they're saying that that idiot will be in court for the rest of his life fighting to keep his money - from all the j6 lawsuits.
what a fucking mess.
 
a little off subject -
but they're saying that that idiot will be in court for the rest of his life fighting to keep his money - from all the j6 lawsuits.
what a fucking mess.
It would be nice if they'd get around to getting around to that--especially if they want to be believed about that "no one is above the law" pat phrase.
 
That, among other corrupt and criminal acts, certainly is what Trump always has done. But this is OK with ICan't (which tells us a lot about the values of ICan't).
HEY!! I'm over here!!! I've never supported corruption or criminal behavior. Why do you always resort to lying to support your arguments.
 
HEY!! I'm over here!!! I've never supported corruption or criminal behavior. Why do you always resort to lying to support your arguments.
You support Trump, a twice impeached President. Who is currently under investigation for trying to overthrow an election.

Should I start calling you Mr. "I never support corruption and criminal behaviour" as well as "I don't carry water for Trump"?
 
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