Does a man, have say so when it comes to abortion?

[Squibbs]

So then you would agree that if the man clearly states that he wants you to have an abortion and you say no, then he is off the hook for child support?

I'll take that as a yes.

 

[renard_ruse]

Well does he? Anybody can answer this question btw.Me personally since I am pro-choice,I think men just need to sit down, and shut the hell up. That's probably one of the reasons why I should vote for Obama.

I'm been thinking about what would posess a female to be so hateful and monterous to WANT to monopolize the reproductive process in the first place. All my life I'm beat myself up mentally trying to understand. I mean I can see if somebody honestly doesn't think its a child or simply in a selfish sense wants a "safety valve" in case they accidently conceive after sex or whatever but the perverse turning it into a "woman issue" I've never understood how hateful someone has to be to do that. In the past couple of weeks, its dawned on my, its about FEMALE SUPREMACISM. Reproduction is the most basic purpose of EVERY living organism. You deny half the population's role, purpose, and rights in that fundamental (and biologically shared) process you deny them not only equality but biological worth as well. Its about power.

So, in short, pro-abortion feminism, that claims its some sort of "woman rights" issue, are basically just Female Supremacists. Just like racial or other supremacists, they think they are better than others and deserve more rights and ultimate power. The unborn child is just collateral damage to them, irrelevant one way or the other.

 

[thelovingsadist]

Hah. I love you, renard.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

I do have the right, when my potential child is involved.

No you don’t legally or morally.

That is my opinion and I am sticking to it, because I'm not going to knock up some cheap whore that doesn't want my kid anyway.

You might “knock up” a woman one a one night stand when the condom slip off you small cock (or it splits or whatever). She might not want a baby with you or at all. Who are you to impose on her that she has to use her body to carry out your wish?

Besides, I already told you guys to figure out a way for me to get pregnant and I will.

Seeing as you feel it’s ok to impose on another human being; perhaps I should shove a 10lbs bowling ball up yer arse and then you might get it.

Woof!

 

[JohnnySavage]

Based on my Euclidian Statistical Trigonomic Analysis of the male/female posing population distribution, I'd have to conclude that the men have much more to say than the women.

4est_4est_Gump 22
thelovingsadist 21
cjh 12
Bad_Doggie 6
Disgustipated 5
Squibbs 5
badbabysitter 3
RobDownSouth 3
warrior queen 3
JohnnySavage 3
bronzeage 2
Queen_Vicki 2
killallhippies 1
NFLGIRL87 1
Peregrinator 1
jeninflorida 1
tactful 1
blobfish 1
LadyVer 1
SeanH 1
nayia 1
ms_ann_thrope 1
DaddyValin 1
sereneone4u 1
Tryharder62 1
Liar 1
renard_ruse 1
chillywilly2 1
richard_daily 1

 

[thelovingsadist]

You might “knock up” a woman one a one night stand when the condom slip off you small cock (or it splits or whatever). She might not want a baby with you or at all. Who are you to impose on her that she has to use her body to carry out your wish?

See, if I were in this situation, we could talk it through and if she really doesn't want it even to let me raise it then I would do it. It'd be over with and we would both go on with out lives.

But the key is the ability to talk about it, and make the decision together, like the consenting and equal adults we were when we went INTO bed that night. Going in equal, consenting adults and coming out unequal, non-consenting teenagers is just foolish.

 

[Disgustipated]

The only woman on that list is serene.

 

[badbabysitter]

Women can have all the choices they want, but the decision of whether or not they have a baby does not effect them alone and thus being able to make it alone is not fair to the man who may want the kid and genuinely want and be able to raise it.

I am pro-choice, but I do not like women thinking they can use it as a get out of jail free card. Getting pregnant is just as much the woman's mistake as it is the mans (unless rape or incest or whatever), so blaming the man alone for it (when he's not an ass that really is responsible) is foolish and ignorant, and using abortion as a get out of jail free card is immature and irresponsible. There are other circumstances and other opinions, yes. But this is how most of the women that are pro-life who I've met treat abortion.

And, I really do have the right. I have the right because I'm not getting anyone pregnant. But even if I was, it would be a planned and worked out thing, and I definitely have say so in that.

You still don't get it

You seem to be under the delusion that abortion are some sort of feminine plot to undermine a mans ability to be part of the parenting process...that having an abortion is like getting take-out chinese food

it's never an easy decision,.... but in the end it is HER decision, not his

a man should have a say in what role the mother has... but that does not mean he should have final say...the woman has the final say, even if he's opposed to it


so untill a man can get pregnant, his feelings are immaterial...


I would respect your choice of what to do if you ever got pregnant... please respect mine

 

[Bad_Doggie]

See, if I were in this situation, we could talk it through and if she really doesn't want it even to let me raise it then I would do it. It'd be over with and we would both go on with out lives.

But the key is the ability to talk about it, and make the decision together, like the consenting and equal adults we were when we went INTO bed that night. Going in equal, consenting adults and coming out unequal, non-consenting teenagers is just foolish.

Sure talking about it is the key and come to an adult conclusion.

If she decides to carry it to term and either raise it or give it to you then fine.

Ah so you would much rather come out of it as “unequal, non-consenting teenagers” where YOU have the right to decide for her what she does with her body and not her, got it.

Woof!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Again, this is not equality.

I did not say the man should make the call. I said the man should have his opinion in the matter. I said that the woman should not have be able to make the call alone, either, in a healthy relationship where shit just happens. Sure, there's rape and incest and all that. But in a relationship where it just happens, the guy still has no say in the matter. And that isn't "equal rights for women." It's "superior rights for women." It's reverse sexism and it's wrong.

Special pleading at it's worst.

Give me one other example where one adult should have control over another adult's body, without their permission.

I'll wait right here.

 

[badbabysitter]

I'm been thinking about what would posess a female to be so hateful and monterous to WANT to monopolize the reproductive process in the first place. All my life I'm beat myself up mentally trying to understand. I mean I can see if somebody honestly doesn't think its a child or simply in a selfish sense wants a "safety valve" in case they accidently conceive after sex or whatever but the perverse turning it into a "woman issue" I've never understood how hateful someone has to be to do that. In the past couple of weeks, its dawned on my, its about FEMALE SUPREMACISM. Reproduction is the most basic purpose of EVERY living organism. You deny half the population's role, purpose, and rights in that fundamental (and biologically shared) process you deny them not only equality but biological worth as well. Its about power.

So, in short, pro-abortion feminism, that claims its some sort of "woman rights" issue, are basically just Female Supremacists. Just like racial or other supremacists, they think they are better than others and deserve more rights and ultimate power. The unborn child is just collateral damage to them, irrelevant one way or the other.

why do we want to monopolize our own bodies?


really, you should own them instead?

 

[badbabysitter]

See, if I were in this situation, we could talk it through and if she really doesn't want it even to let me raise it then I would do it. It'd be over with and we would both go on with out lives.

But the key is the ability to talk about it, and make the decision together, like the consenting and equal adults we were when we went INTO bed that night. Going in equal, consenting adults and coming out unequal, non-consenting teenagers is just foolish.

you're missing the part where she would till have the choice to keep the child to term and then give it to you


once again, her choice


you're still not getting that

 

[thelovingsadist]

You still don't get it

You seem to be under the delusion that abortion are some sort of feminine plot to undermine a mans ability to be part of the parenting process...that having an abortion is like getting take-out chinese food

it's never an easy decision,.... but in the end it is HER decision, not his

a man should have a say in what role the mother has... but that does not mean he should have final say...the woman has the final say, even if he's opposed to it


so untill a man can get pregnant, his feelings are immaterial...


I would respect your choice of what to do if you ever got pregnant... please respect mine

So when it comes down to it, you declare me a delusional conspiracy theorist, huh?

YOU don't get it. At all.

It's not about making the woman have my kid. It's about her being mature enough to have a talk with me about what WE are going to do about it. Because, guess what, it's not just YOUR responsibility. It's also MINE. Your decision does not effect you and you alone, no matter how arrogant and self righteous or free-to-choose you think you are. Your decision effects me, too, and everyone else around you, whether you have the kid or get rid of it.

I respect a woman's decision. I'm fine with abortion. I respect your opinions. But it is not all about you.

In most cases (not all, yeah yeah), it takes two consenting adults to make a kid. It should take two consenting adults to decide whether or not to have it. It SHOULD. I know it doesn't, I know the damn law, and I know women will still do what they want even if it was law. I just really don't think it's too much for people to be mature adults instead of the woman alone doing whatever she wants.

Ah so you would much rather come out of it as “unequal, non-consenting teenagers” where YOU have the right to decide for her what she does with her body and not her, got it.

Woof!

Nope. If you've read my posts at all, then you might see that I have said several times that I don't think the man should be able to decide alone, either. That was a joke based on me being a BDSM dominant, and an arrogant ass.

I don't think either sex should be able to legally make the decision alone, except in rape and incest and unknown/absentee father and other circumstances of that nature.

Let me make this perfectly clear: I am pro-life. BUT, I do not think abortion should be used as a get out of jail free card by either sex (isn't repeated abortion risky, anyway? I'll have to look that up). If you don't want to have a kid, practice safe sex. If safe sex fails, have a mature and equal discussion about what to do. Or if raped or one of those other things, then the other person won't be there to argue against it anyway, will they?

All I'm asking is for consensual adults to behave like consensual adults.

But it's America, so I know I'm asking too much.

 

[KRCummings]

A say? Sure, why the fuck not? He can talk all he wants. Men frequently talk about shit they know nothing about.

A final say? Nope.

 

[thelovingsadist]

you're missing the part where she would till have the choice to keep the child to term and then give it to you


once again, her choice


you're still not getting that

What do you want me to do, kiss your ass? I know how birth works. I'm not the one that created that system, so don't blame me.

Oh, wait. You girls don't want ass kissing, you just want the full cost of raising the child paid up front.

 

[badbabysitter]

What do you want me to do, kiss your ass? I know how birth works. I'm not the one that created that system, so don't blame me.

Oh, wait. You girls don't want ass kissing, you just want the full cost of raising the child paid up front.

you can start by stopping telling me what I can do with my body...I don't tell you what you can do with yours


as for the second part...what exact planet do you live on that doesnt have single moms?


I'd really like to visit....what colour is the sky there?

 

[badbabysitter]

So when it comes down to it, you declare me a delusional conspiracy theorist, huh?

YOU don't get it. At all.

It's not about making the woman have my kid. It's about her being mature enough to have a talk with me about what WE are going to do about it. Because, guess what, it's not just YOUR responsibility. It's also MINE. Your decision does not effect you and you alone, no matter how arrogant and self righteous or free-to-choose you think you are. Your decision effects me, too, and everyone else around you, whether you have the kid or get rid of it.

I respect a woman's decision. I'm fine with abortion. I respect your opinions. But it is not all about you.

In most cases (not all, yeah yeah), it takes two consenting adults to make a kid. It should take two consenting adults to decide whether or not to have it. It SHOULD. I know it doesn't, I know the damn law, and I know women will still do what they want even if it was law. I just really don't think it's too much for people to be mature adults instead of the woman alone doing whatever she wants.



Nope. If you've read my posts at all, then you might see that I have said several times that I don't think the man should be able to decide alone, either. That was a joke based on me being a BDSM dominant, and an arrogant ass.

I don't think either sex should be able to legally make the decision alone, except in rape and incest and unknown/absentee father and other circumstances of that nature.

Let me make this perfectly clear: I am pro-life. BUT, I do not think abortion should be used as a get out of jail free card by either sex (isn't repeated abortion risky, anyway? I'll have to look that up). If you don't want to have a kid, practice safe sex. If safe sex fails, have a mature and equal discussion about what to do. Or if raped or one of those other things, then the other person won't be there to argue against it anyway, will they?

All I'm asking is for consensual adults to behave like consensual adults.

But it's America, so I know I'm asking too much.

dude...I understand what you're saying

no one is denying that adults shouldnt be reasonable about it and come together and talk about it and come to a decision together... but that just doent always happen...and in the end, what if she doesnt change her mind... are you going to force her to do your will?


... in the end you're still telling me the man should have the final vote

and that' just never going to happen


if you're asking adults to be adults..stop labeling the woman as the irresponsible one

 

[thelovingsadist]

Special pleading at it's worst.

Give me one other example where one adult should have control over another adult's body, without their permission.

I'll wait right here.

Mental Illness.

...what? You only asked for one.

as for the second part...what exact planet do you live on that doesnt have single moms?


I'd really like to visit....what colour is the sky there?

That part was a gentle joking jab at someone else who posted earlier.

My sister is a single mother. Of two kids, who I've helped raise along with my parents because the fathers were dead beat abusers.

But you know, this isn't really going anywhere. I've explained my opinions, you guys have explained yours. We aren't going to change out minds.

Can we agree that we disagree and share some cake?

 

[thelovingsadist]

... in the end you're still telling me the man should have the final vote

No. I'm not. God knows I dont want men to have the final vote alone. That would be terrible, for a long list of reasons.

What I want is for couples in this situation to be required to go through counseling and to have long deep talks about what to do, before it's done, instead of the woman alone being able to decide without caring how the man feels about it.

I support abortion. I do not support it's abuse.

So how about that cake?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Mental Illness.

...what? You only asked for one.

Pregnancy is on par with mental illness. Gotcha. Thanks for sharing.

 

[badbabysitter]

No. I'm not. God knows I dont want men to have the final vote alone. That would be terrible, for a long list of reasons.

What I want is for couples in this situation to be required to go through counseling and to have long deep talks about what to do, before it's done, instead of the woman alone being able to decide without caring how the man feels about it.

I support abortion. I do not support it's abuse.

So how about that cake?

then please dont insult half the population about how abortion is like fast food... you make it sound like something women do after they pick up groceries


it's a life altering event... and the father doesnt often stick around to help her with that decisions... should she not have the abortion because it might hurt the deadbeat dad's feelings?

 

[thelovingsadist]

Pregnancy is on par with mental illness. Gotcha. Thanks for sharing.

Nope. You guys still don't get that I'm not saying men should be able to force women to have a baby.

I'm saying that it should be a mutually agreed decision, or as close to one as possible, when that is an option. What's wrong with that? How does requesting equality put us back to chauvinism?

 

[thelovingsadist]

it's a life altering event... and the father doesnt often stick around to help her with that decisions... should she not have the abortion because it might hurt the deadbeat dad's feelings?

I don't consider deadbeat dad's to be human being's. I apologize if you think I've been talking about that type of man, because I haven't.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Nope. If you've read my posts at all, then you might see that I have said several times that I don't think the man should be able to decide alone, either. That was a joke based on me being a BDSM dominant, and an arrogant ass.

I don't think either sex should be able to legally make the decision alone,

Then in the case of a dispute, like the one cjh mentioned, who makes the decision then? You?

The LAW HAS to come down on one side or the other; and for good reason it comes down on the side of the woman. You have a good argument why you feel you have the right to impose on a woman to take your baby to term make it or stfu.

If safe sex fails, have a mature and equal discussion about what to do.

And if you can’t come to an agreement about what to do, then what?

But it's America, so I know I'm asking too much.

Yeah you are you are asking that you can impose your wishes on another human being and they do with THEIR body.

Woof!

 

[badbabysitter]

Mental Illness.

...what? You only asked for one.




)

lots of people with mentall illnesses can lead rich and full lives... a mental illness which incapcitate's someone's ability to make decusions for themselves is a far far FAR cry from pregnancy... the two can't even be considered on the same planet


and in the mental illness case, when declared unfit there is always a guardian and agency that steps into make those decions for them....that is not the case as a woman that has a child... unless you think a government agency should come in and make a woman's decision because women shouldnt be able to make thoe medical choices?

even you should see the analogy is flawed