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This is a great thread, but why do i feel like we're all giving away secrets to the "enemy?"

i have never intentionally disobeyed my PYL...i am however bratty as hell at times. For me, it comes down to figuring out where the line is between "bratty little girl" and raving bitch. as long as i don't cross that line, i'm usually ok. :cattail:
 
I don't really care what someone's personality is like if I like it. I like people who are extroverted and argumentative, shy and sweet, all shades in between. But if they're subs and they want to interact with me as such, they know that pushing back at me in an intentional confrontation is always going to result in me walking away and letting them fight all they want with no one.
 
We have never been in a situation in which I have disobeyed. I have balked a couple of times but never flat-out disobeyed. To be fair though, I don't have the rules and restrictions many here have.

I feel sure any attempt on my part to "earn a punishment" would be met with silence and an exit. I know from experience bitchiness bordering on a tantrum is handled that way. On the other hand, if I ask nicely for "X" he usually indulges me. :)
 
i've never been willfully disobedient to my Master, and would never do so. the 2 or 3 times i was disobedient to him had to do with my going against a command he had set out for me in the process of being obedient to another. with my nature being the way it is, my submission is not something i can turn off and on at will, even for my Master. when this was the case, he punished me but not severely, and understood fully what had caused the disobedience. after those experience he adjusted the rules under which i live and tightened his control over me, so that outside interference in his plan would not be a possibility.

there was one time i was disobedient and it was not in relation to being obedient to another. it was a case of my being given a task to complete, and not being able to succeed in completing despite my efforts. the punishment for that disobedience was severe, as initially he did not realize that i had really given it my all and could have done no better.

but again there is nothing that could ever cause me to be intentionally disobedient to my Master. serving him and obeying his will is my whole life's purpose.
 
Chris_Xavier said:
True enough - and I'm looking for instances of both. I know there have been times that somebody out there has gone out their way to disobey their D because they were pissed off or whatever.
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what kind of submissive would do this??
 
ownedsubgal said:
what kind of submissive would do this??
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A human one...sincerely. After my ex and i split up i can't even begin to tell you some of the thoughts i had that were based out of anger and hurt....doing things that violated every rule and trust we had...from before our D/s relationship began. That doesn't make me less subbie...It makes me a pissed off, angry, hurt, HUMAN woman. (Who is smart enough not to act on those thoughts as well.)
 
HottieMama said:
A human one...sincerely. After my ex and i split up i can't even begin to tell you some of the thoughts i had that were based out of anger and hurt....doing things that violated every rule and trust we had...from before our D/s relationship began. That doesn't make me less subbie...It makes me a pissed off, angry, hurt, HUMAN woman. (Who is smart enough not to act on those thoughts as well.)
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human emotions i understand. feeling hurt, even angry at one's Dominant...sure. but actually going out and being disobedient because of those feelings? that just doesn't compute. even you are saying you had certain thoughts, but didn't act on them.
 
ownedsubgal said:
human emotions i understand. feeling hurt, even angry at one's Dominant...sure. but actually going out and being disobedient because of those feelings? that just doesn't compute. even you are saying you had certain thoughts, but didn't act on them.
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yeah but, you're weird! ;)

love your posts & input, find your lifestyle fascinating...but...you'd eat dog shit with a spoon if he told you to.

that, to me, doesn't compute.
 
ownedsubgal said:
human emotions i understand. feeling hurt, even angry at one's Dominant...sure. but actually going out and being disobedient because of those feelings? that just doesn't compute. even you are saying you had certain thoughts, but didn't act on them.
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i didn't act on them because it is NOT my right to ruin someone's life, no matter how much they hurt me...NOT out of any sense of duty or obligation to him. He can quite literally go fuck himself...and i have told him so. However, i believe in karma and i would not want someone to act out my thoughts on me...so i didn't.
 
To me the whole notion that you're a slave of mine totally ends when the decision to willfully and consciously not do something I said to do is made. I'm not talking about forgetting, I'm not talking about not being able to - I'm not even talking about not giving it your all because you ahem, didn't prioritize correctly - I'm talking about a deliberate "fuck her, not doing it"

You may be submissive as often as not, but it's not "A D/s relationship" to me any longer. Until the sense that you can't imagine just blowing me off like that exists, it's not one.

Did I mention that my husband is a badly trained pet at most? :rolleyes:
 
Alot of the responses sound a bit romanticized (or maybe I'm just too use to being a rebel).
 
I don't think it's romanticized to expect someone who has decided to go down a path to at least maintain some of the core things that define it. Slavery = obeying. Deciding that whatever your desires might be, you get more mileage out of putting them aside for someone else's desires in the long run, so that's what you'll do.

Forgetting to do something I said, postponing it, or even telling me you think it's totally stupid - I don't really care as long as it's done. Plain old NOT DOING IT without feeling I deserve explanation - well you can tell me you're my sub a ton, but you're not. That is not the relationship. Hoping I'm going to react to your going outside the entire tenor of the relationship is BS.

Let's say D/s is racquetball and vanilla, egalitarian means are catch.

It's as if you show up to play racquetball with me, but then catch the ball every time I hit it, but expect me to keep playing racquetball with you instead of wanting you to throw the ball back if you wanted to play catch anyhow.
 
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Chris_Xavier said:
Alot of the responses sound a bit romanticized (or maybe I'm just too use to being a rebel).
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carrots are romantic.

so is twigophilia.

without romance, what's the point?
 
Chris_Xavier said:
Alot of the responses sound a bit romanticized (or maybe I'm just too use to being a rebel).
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not romanticized at all, just real. i agree with Netzach, in that if the s-type is able to decide that willful disobedience is okay or acceptable under any circumstances, then we are no longer talking about a D/s relationship.
 
Andraste said:
yeah but, you're weird! ;)

love your posts & input, find your lifestyle fascinating...but...you'd eat dog shit with a spoon if he told you to.

that, to me, doesn't compute.
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not weird at all, just a submissive slave.
 
I have to add that maintaining a dynamic in which the slave can't imagine blowing off the owner is not ONLY the slave's job!
 
Netzach said:
Let's say D/s is racquetball and vanilla, egalitarian means are catch.

It's as if you show up to play racquetball with me, but then catch the ball every time I hit it, but expect me to keep playing racquetball with you instead of wanting you to throw the ball back if you wanted to play catch anyhow.
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that's your flavor of d/s.

i wouldn't get involved with a top like you precisely because we're playing a different game.

it's not your style of d/s or vanilla.
it's a thousand shades, from the extremism of what osg has, through the samminess, with vanilla a hell of a long way from that!

and "yeah, make me!" games involving physical & mental force would be deemed abuse in the nilla world.
 
I agree with you, Netzach - actions speak louder than words and one of the core tenants of being a sub/slave/pyl is to obey. However, I just can't fathom a sub not getting upset about something and saying "piss off" to their PYL.

Besides being hilarious, Andraste also has a point.. just because you are a pyl, does that automatically make you a lemming?
 
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