Denial Versus the Forced Orgasm

[Shadowsdream]

arghhhh double post

 

[Shadowsdream]

I've never had a forced orgasm, nor do I think I like it much. However, I have been denied orgasms on many occasions which sometimes ends up being physically painful (blue balls). If my tormentor doesn't stop when I'm ready to cum, I usually can't hold it back for long at all and end up cumming anyway.

Hello JoseIsWild and welcome to this conversation!

Believe it or not on rare (grin) occassions We *tormentors* actually encourage your failure to hold back an orgasm. It opens many doors to various punishments...now I said rarely..which means not always...and pssst...blue balls can be quite attractive in the right hue!

 

[Shadowsdream]

I've found the most useful combination with Matthew is to bind and gag him, then deny him orgasm for a number of hours. Depending on his mood and level of tiredness, this can be anywhere from 1 to 4 hours. Once he's beyond mewling, begging, attempts at self-satisfaction and crying, his will is broken. I'm then ready to move on. He's then given a number of orgasms, the later ones forced, until he screams and often passes out. I gather him into my arms and cradle him until he wakes, then we sleep. The next day, he positively glows from satisfaction and has the most adorable "peek from under his lashes" shy boy look.

Matthew, I know you'll read this and I know you'll be embarassed and excited. Blush for me beautiful boy. Blush for me.

Hello TulaneCowboy and welcome to the conversation!

I like the way You mention the fatigue faction when considering duration of Orgasmic scenes. I have also enjoyed the passing out factor after an Orgasm Forcing marathon.

I am going to enjoy Your voice amongst U/us which no doubt will keep Matthew in spasms of embarrassment!

 

[Shadowsdream]

I know pain with a forced orgasm has been mentioned several times...the only "pain" that really really bothers me is when he ties me up and uses some sort of vibrating toy...after I orgasm my clit is really overstimualted, and if he doesn't let up, my body will shake and twitch almost violently because of the intense sensations...I try not to think of it as pain...and he doesn't do it often, but if I have been especailly misbehaved, like cuming before I was told to...

In discussions with a few fem subs I have been told that once the clit becomes over sensitized to a certain point orgasm simply becomes an impossibility...as though ALL sensation completely disappears and the only thing left is aggressive annoyance. An emotion that can be almost impossible to turn off. I have also been told by the same ladies that this can lead to a plunge into depression.
Do you have any opinions through personal experience on this side of orgasm control hurtme?

 

[DVMnLA]

I've found the most useful combination with Matthew is to bind and gag him, then deny him orgasm for a number of hours. Depending on his mood and level of tiredness, this can be anywhere from 1 to 4 hours. Once he's beyond mewling, begging, attempts at self-satisfaction and crying, his will is broken. I'm then ready to move on. He's then given a number of orgasms, the later ones forced, until he screams and often passes out. I gather him into my arms and cradle him until he wakes, then we sleep. The next day, he positively glows from satisfaction and has the most adorable "peek from under his lashes" shy boy look.

Matthew, I know you'll read this and I know you'll be embarassed and excited. Blush for me beautiful boy. Blush for me.

i read and yeah i am blushing Daddy. you know me so well.

Daddy is absoltuely right about how this makes me feel. it's so frustrating and then painful but after it's such a positive feeling. there's always some residual pain the next day or two. good pain though. but i feel energetic, happy and yeah i feel shy too. i know that shyness is the final pieces of Dom left in me thinking 'i can't believe i let Him do that to me'. but i was never as happy as a Dom as i kept telling myself. i'm His boy and thats all that matters. love you Daddy

 

[hurtme]

although I do enjoy forced orgasm, and I actually really like some of the over sensitive sensations, even though they aren't really pleasurable sometimes, they are intense none the less....bit I see where that conversation comes from shadowsdream...it does get frusterating, and actually thinking about the reactions I have, I do understand the annoyance, even the depression...because you reach a point where the sensations aren't going to be pleasurable anymore, and you know that the only thing that is going to happen is your muscles are going to hurt the next day from all the spasming. I understand that it is done becuase it makes him happy, and with anythign else, I am ok with that, but in that particular case, I can't focus on him, becuase I am so focused on my own spasming and thrashing...and begging him to stop...I hate to say it, but I do start to perhaps think some not so nice thoughts aobut him when he does it for a long time...I have never used a safeword for it, however, I try to save that for when I feel in danger not just uncomfortable, and so far, I have never used one, not once...

 

[Shadowsdream]

i read and yeah i am blushing Daddy. you know me so well.

Daddy is absoltuely right about how this makes me feel. it's so frustrating and then painful but after it's such a positive feeling. there's always some residual pain the next day or two. good pain though. but i feel energetic, happy and yeah i feel shy too. i know that shyness is the final pieces of Dom left in me thinking 'i can't believe i let Him do that to me'. but i was never as happy as a Dom as i kept telling myself. i'm His boy and thats all that matters. love you Daddy

Hello Mathew and welcome to the conversation

*Frustrating* is a word that goes so well with painful don't you think? A bit like the agony and ecstacy concept!
The shyness is also a wonderful side effect experienced by some submissives and slaves and very much appreciated by many Dominnats.

Thank you for adding your voice of experience to this conversation.

 

[Shadowsdream]

although I do enjoy forced orgasm, and I actually really like some of the over sensitive sensations, even though they aren't really pleasurable sometimes, they are intense none the less....bit I see where that conversation comes from shadowsdream...it does get frusterating, and actually thinking about the reactions I have, I do understand the annoyance, even the depression...because you reach a point where the sensations aren't going to be pleasurable anymore, and you know that the only thing that is going to happen is your muscles are going to hurt the next day from all the spasming. I understand that it is done becuase it makes him happy, and with anythign else, I am ok with that, but in that particular case, I can't focus on him, becuase I am so focused on my own spasming and thrashing...and begging him to stop...I hate to say it, but I do start to perhaps think some not so nice thoughts aobut him when he does it for a long time...I have never used a safeword for it, however, I try to save that for when I feel in danger not just uncomfortable, and so far, I have never used one, not once...

~~smile~~ I sincerely thank you for this honesty. Over doing sensation does come with its pluses and minuses and it is wise for Us Dom/mes to really be able to read the emotions of the ones under Our control. It is all fun and games until it goes over the line to many times and the only reaction becomes emotional negativity and a new kind of denial begins.
Yes yes yes I know..it is the Dominants right to do as they please if it pleases them to do so...but right is not always right at all times...Ha!
That being said...the slave has just endured a particularly mind fucking evening with no pleasure for him and plenty for Me.
Sans any kind of Orgasm!

 

[gregor2001us]

speaking as a sub male

As a sub male, I have trouble imagining a forced orgasm. But I love being stimulated by someone else, as the stimulation is not quite perfect, so in a sense it may be forced...

The main thing I wanted to offer was that there are a couple variations that fit in here, that can drive me crazy.

The first is to be brought to orgasm, then all stimualtion is immediately stopped at the first sign of contraction. This results ina very unsatisfactory orgasm, and leaves me hot and bothered for more almost immediately. Very good if you want me frustrated and in need of more...

The second is to continue the stimulation as I orgasm and beyond. Better have me tied securely. I don't know why, but I really like when this is done, even though I lose all control and strain to get away! Satsifying, but also exhausting and a very good way to emphasize your control...

That's my two cents.

gregor

 

[TulaneCowboy]

i read and yeah i am blushing Daddy. you know me so well.

Daddy is absoltuely right about how this makes me feel. it's so frustrating and then painful but after it's such a positive feeling. there's always some residual pain the next day or two. good pain though. but i feel energetic, happy and yeah i feel shy too. i know that shyness is the final pieces of Dom left in me thinking 'i can't believe i let Him do that to me'. but i was never as happy as a Dom as i kept telling myself. i'm His boy and thats all that matters. love you Daddy

mmmmm I love it when you blush, Baby. And I love you too, sweet boy.

 

[Shadowsdream]

Re: speaking as a sub male

As a sub male, I have trouble imagining a forced orgasm. But I love being stimulated by someone else, as the stimulation is not quite perfect, so in a sense it may be forced...

The main thing I wanted to offer was that there are a couple variations that fit in here, that can drive me crazy.

The first is to be brought to orgasm, then all stimualtion is immediately stopped at the first sign of contraction. This results ina very unsatisfactory orgasm, and leaves me hot and bothered for more almost immediately. Very good if you want me frustrated and in need of more...

The second is to continue the stimulation as I orgasm and beyond. Better have me tied securely. I don't know why, but I really like when this is done, even though I lose all control and strain to get away! Satsifying, but also exhausting and a very good way to emphasize your control...

That's my two cents.

gregor

Hello gregor and thank you for joining into this conversation!

Three interesting points that you bring up...being stroked (which seldom matches up to your own learned technic) and stroked to contraction and then abandoned to leave the body to struggle on its own to reach the full explosion. Also to be continually stroked past orgasm with no let up.

All 3 situations are valuable scenerios for controlling the male through the cock and into the mind. Cocks really do have a mind of their own...albeit a small mind ~~grin~~

 

[cuff_U_now]

Isn't it great

I enjoy both and so does my lady-sub


QUOTE]Originally posted by shaymless
In denied orgasm, it's a definitive and tangible acknowledgement of his will over mine. It's humbling and can be unpleasant, if I'm being physically pushed again and again to being ohsoclose and then pulling back. But I have to maintain a control over my own body and not orgasm.

In forced orgasm, I have no control over my body at that point, I'm merely an instrument being played for his pleasure. It absolutely intensifies that "owned" feeling. It's a more primal and raw moment for me.

shay [/QUOTE]

 

[Shadowsdream]

Re: Isn't it great

I enjoy both and so does my lady-sub


QUOTE]Originally posted by shaymless
In denied orgasm, it's a definitive and tangible acknowledgement of his will over mine. It's humbling and can be unpleasant, if I'm being physically pushed again and again to being ohsoclose and then pulling back. But I have to maintain a control over my own body and not orgasm.

In forced orgasm, I have no control over my body at that point, I'm merely an instrument being played for his pleasure. It absolutely intensifies that "owned" feeling. It's a more primal and raw moment for me.

shay

[/QUOTE]
Hello cuff_U_now

O yes it is wonderful to play with such explosive emotions and sensualities.

 

[cuff_U_now]

Re: Re: Isn't it great

Hello back to you lady. Nice AV

Hello cuff_U_now

O yes it is wonderful to play with such explosive emotions and sensualities. [/B][/QUOTE]

 

[Shadowsdream]

Re: Re: Re: Isn't it great

Hello back to you lady. Nice AV


Hello cuff_U_now

O yes it is wonderful to play with such explosive emotions and sensualities.

[/B][/QUOTE]

Thank You...I believe soon I will need to replace it with a Canadian version!

 

[A Desert Rose]

arghhhh double post

Ma'am, Speak Like a Pirate day was in September. I guess You missed that....




LOL

 

[Shadowsdream]

Ma'am, Speak Like a Pirate day was in September. I guess You missed that....




LOL

OMG you are a silly little beast lately! But a very smart one as well..no one else even noticed My deep Pirate voice!

Better late than never...hey does September come at the same time in Stockholm as it does in Vegas?

 

[A Desert Rose]

OMG you are a silly little beast lately! But a very smart one as well..no one else even noticed My deep Pirate voice!

Better late than never...hey does September come at the same time in Stockholm as it does in Vegas?

The real day is September 19th, I think. I tried to find the Dave Berry column about this pirate day but I've had no luck yet.

I'm no authority on this but I do think if September follows August in Stockholm, then yes, it comes at the same time.

 

[Shadowsdream]

The real day is September 19th, I think. I tried to find the Dave Berry column about this pirate day but I've had no luck yet.

I'm no authority on this but I do think if September follows August in Stockholm, then yes, it comes at the same time.

LOL...I must say you keep Me laughing little one!

 

[Pixie]

As you know I'm very new to BDSM. I've yet to have skin to skin experience with Him, so I haven't experienced forced orgasm as such. But I would like to add my thoughts on this anyway.

There is a difference in how I feel about denial depending on the circumstance. There have been times when it's been only the denial of orgasm, other times I haven't been allowed to play at all. Or I might be told to bring myself to the edge a certain way for a number of times and occasionally I might be allowed to orgasm after that.

The worst was after I had knowingly done something I shouldn't have and as a reminder of my submission I was denied orgasm for several days and also made to bring myself to the edge repeatedly. I have to admit that I both hated and loved Him for it. I felt my submission very deeply when I was in tears at the frustration and the struggle against the need I felt. Wanting to let go and go over the edge, yet wanting to please Him. I felt the effects for a long time afterwards.

As far as forced orgasm goes, I can't really claim to have the same experience as others. There are times when I am told to make myself come a set number of times during a timeperiod and it can be hard. I do orgasm easily, but it is tiring and gets painful after a while. I've wanted to not do it and just tell Him I have several times. Yet I always do as He says, no matter the discomfort and pain. And when I have to do it without the help of my toys my whole body tries to go against me, despite my best efforts. So far I've been able to fulfill the tasks.

I guess the denial leaves more mental effects and the repeated orgasms leave more physical effects that I feel for days afterwards.

 

[cuff_U_now]

Re: Re: Denial Versus the Forced Orgasm

All I can say is "Good Girl"

As you know I'm very new to BDSM. I've yet to have skin to skin experience with Him, so I haven't experienced forced orgasm as such. But I would like to add my thoughts on this anyway.

There is a difference in how I feel about denial depending on the circumstance. There have been times when it's been only the denial of orgasm, other times I haven't been allowed to play at all. Or I might be told to bring myself to the edge a certain way for a number of times and occasionally I might be allowed to orgasm after that.

The worst was after I had knowingly done something I shouldn't have and as a reminder of my submission I was denied orgasm for several days and also made to bring myself to the edge repeatedly. I have to admit that I both hated and loved Him for it. I felt my submission very deeply when I was in tears at the frustration and the struggle against the need I felt. Wanting to let go and go over the edge, yet wanting to please Him. I felt the effects for a long time afterwards.

As far as forced orgasm goes, I can't really claim to have the same experience as others. There are times when I am told to make myself come a set number of times during a timeperiod and it can be hard. I do orgasm easily, but it is tiring and gets painful after a while. I've wanted to not do it and just tell Him I have several times. Yet I always do as He says, no matter the discomfort and pain. And when I have to do it without the help of my toys my whole body tries to go against me, despite my best efforts. So far I've been able to fulfill the tasks.

I guess the denial leaves more mental effects and the repeated orgasms leave more physical effects that I feel for days afterwards.

 

[Pixie]

Re: Re: Re: Denial Versus the Forced Orgasm

All I can say is "Good Girl"

LOL! Thank you, though I must admit it feels better when He says it

 

[Shadowsdream]

Re: Re: Denial Versus the Forced Orgasm

As you know I'm very new to BDSM. I've yet to have skin to skin experience with Him, so I haven't experienced forced orgasm as such. But I would like to add my thoughts on this anyway.

There is a difference in how I feel about denial depending on the circumstance. There have been times when it's been only the denial of orgasm, other times I haven't been allowed to play at all. Or I might be told to bring myself to the edge a certain way for a number of times and occasionally I might be allowed to orgasm after that.

The worst was after I had knowingly done something I shouldn't have and as a reminder of my submission I was denied orgasm for several days and also made to bring myself to the edge repeatedly. I have to admit that I both hated and loved Him for it. I felt my submission very deeply when I was in tears at the frustration and the struggle against the need I felt. Wanting to let go and go over the edge, yet wanting to please Him. I felt the effects for a long time afterwards.

As far as forced orgasm goes, I can't really claim to have the same experience as others. There are times when I am told to make myself come a set number of times during a timeperiod and it can be hard. I do orgasm easily, but it is tiring and gets painful after a while. I've wanted to not do it and just tell Him I have several times. Yet I always do as He says, no matter the discomfort and pain. And when I have to do it without the help of my toys my whole body tries to go against me, despite my best efforts. So far I've been able to fulfill the tasks.

I guess the denial leaves more mental effects and the repeated orgasms leave more physical effects that I feel for days afterwards.

hello pixie and thank you for sharing more of your reality. It is wonderful that you speak of the sporadic thoughts of how cheating flicks through the mind when a task is not easy or pleasurable.

He must be very proud of your honesty when you pass these tests that He sets.

More or less experience do not make more or less intensity of emotions or sensations. I would take a small bet though that you will find the Forced Orgasm a much different story when you are bound and taken over the edge with no possibility of escape.

So much to look forward to on this amazing journey you are just beginning. There is no finish line so take your time and savour every second of the discovery!

 

[A Desert Rose]

Good morning, Ma'am.

Who aside from me, has told you how beautiful You are? I love Your AV.

 

[Shadowsdream]

Good morning, Ma'am.

Who aside from me, has told you how beautiful You are? I love Your AV.

Hmmmph! Well in the last 30 minutes not one single personI

Thank you little miss rose...the slave just took 300 pics so it seemed like a good time for an av change...