As North Korea have admitted to trying to build an atomic bomb...
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Frimost said:
What? The whole of the North Sea?
OIL
Norway and the United Kingdom are the largest producers of North Sea oil by a wide margin.
Source: North Sea Oil
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The only reason Scottish people are such fierce fighters is because they have Norwegian blood mixed into their heritage from the Viking raids and conquests of the Middle Ages.
We Norwegians are going to take your part of the North Sea deposits in order to create a GREATER NORWAY!
We Norwegians are going to take your part of the North Sea deposits in order to create a GREATER NORWAY!
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As I told a Norwegian once, during the age of the vikings all the Norwegians that were adventurous and good fighters sailed over to Britain, invaded and then settled down becoming the British. All the Norwegians that stayed at home were pig farmers and thralls, which is why they havn't done anything interesting in the last 900 years.
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I know this is going to pen a big can of worms....
Why can't countries that are similar in beliefs and governemtn unite? Is it just national pride? *shrugs* If Canada and USA became one country...who knows what could happen. But we're far away from being One World United
Why can't countries that are similar in beliefs and governemtn unite? Is it just national pride? *shrugs* If Canada and USA became one country...who knows what could happen. But we're far away from being One World United
Especially more so when the nations share the same religion, ethnicity, heritage, history, outlook, sensibilities, ethics, cultural practices, language, and other similarities. If a country shares at least three or four of these then it should be a forgone conclusion that unification should at least be considered.
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I have to admit I really like those Finns. I used to work with a whole load of Scandanavians and they're the only people that seem to get pissed more often than us Brits. One of the Russian guys there said you can't get to a bar in St Petersburg without stepping over the Finns lying on the floor.
Were out of the Age of Empire.
There is an ebb and tide to civilizations like there is to the sea. Right now we are in the Age of many small nations, Sooner or later the Pendulum will turn back and many countries will unify into large Empires again.
But we are still in the time of small nations and it has really just begun, China can break apart into more smaller countries and the fracturing of The Russian Federation may have just begun. Even the U.S. isn't immune to this if eventually Texas and California wanted to secede.
As for the U.K., Scotland and Wales are asking for more and more autonomy and may split off in the future as well.
Spain is a mess with The Basque rebels fighting for their own homeland and now Catalonia wanting more independence as well.
Yugoslavia still has Vojvodina province that may at some point want de-facto independence like Kosovo and Montenegro is already a sovereign state in many respects.
Many other countries are still breaking up like Indonesia with separatists wars going on right now in Irain Jaya and Aceh (as well as the Spice Islands lest I forget).
There is an ebb and tide to civilizations like there is to the sea. Right now we are in the Age of many small nations, Sooner or later the Pendulum will turn back and many countries will unify into large Empires again.
But we are still in the time of small nations and it has really just begun, China can break apart into more smaller countries and the fracturing of The Russian Federation may have just begun. Even the U.S. isn't immune to this if eventually Texas and California wanted to secede.
As for the U.K., Scotland and Wales are asking for more and more autonomy and may split off in the future as well.
Spain is a mess with The Basque rebels fighting for their own homeland and now Catalonia wanting more independence as well.
Yugoslavia still has Vojvodina province that may at some point want de-facto independence like Kosovo and Montenegro is already a sovereign state in many respects.
Many other countries are still breaking up like Indonesia with separatists wars going on right now in Irain Jaya and Aceh (as well as the Spice Islands lest I forget).
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It is the age of nationalism for the sake of it. Before WW1, Europe was divided into Britain, France, Germany, Austro-Hungaria, Turkey, Russia and the Scandinavian nations. then Woodrow Wilson turned up with his 14 points and declared that everybody had a right to self-determination. So everybody has.
At the time of secession, most of the British Empire didn't want to leave. Although the British were bastards in some parts of the world, they had greatly improved the standard of life in a lot of it. However independence was the way.
I see the united countries theory as all well and good, but I still declare myself firmly English. I'm not willing to call myself British and definitely not European. England is a part of who I am. As the UK some of the characteristics of England, NI, Scotland and Wales will be lost. God knows what'll happen if Europe unites. We'll end up with a homogonised world. And I will go to hell before I use American spellings and spell sulphur as sulfur.
Eire vs NI is more than just Catholics vs Protestants. England tamed the Celts in Wales and Cornwall and absorbed the Scots through judicious choice of monarch. The Irish however were determined to stay separate. Even after a heavy kicking in a war, they refused to concede. The Celts weren't Christian and didn't give a monkeys about Protestantism, but to the Catholic Irish, the Englsih were heretics and they'd never surrender. The English general saw that taking Ireland by force was going to require greater numbers and accepted a truce in which England were given 7 counties to control. He meant to return at a later date to finish the job. He didn't and England quickly killed, drove out or converted all the Catholics, creating 7 CoE counties.
The Irish were understandably quite upset about having their island breached by the heretics, but were unable to do anything about it. This is where freedom fighters come in. The IRA claim that they represent the poor oppressed people in NI who want to become part of a unified Ireland. Unfortunately by now, all of the people in NI consider themselves British and want nothing to do with a unified Ireland.
The IRA's unprecedented persuasion technique was to bomb the shit out of England until it surrendered the 7 counties that now no longer wanted to be surrendered anyway. The IRA have been supported very generously by Americans who had an Irish grandparent/great gandparent and who therefore considered themselves as Irish as Guinness. These Americans funded these freedom fighters because the evil British were oppressing the Irish. However the Irish were no longer being oppressed, because those in NI saw themselves as being British. Yet the money went to its altruistic use of providing the IRA with nailbombs to kill and mutilate children. Funny how the Irish Republican Army doesn't actually have the bollocks to fight soldiers.
Anyway, the whole thing's about who's right and wrong. Look at a unification of Europe. What language would be spoken? Where would the capital be? Who would make the decisions? Who would be the head of state? Look at the sheer amount of bureaucracy that the EU managed to trawl up about what would be on the back of the Euro coins.
Also finicially speaking smaller countries are a boon. Setting economies for a large area will mean that some bits will have the wrong interest rates and will therefore have the wrong stimulation of growth. A country as small as England: The south sets the interest rates and the north suffers, because they're not set for the north. Smaller countries, less chance of cock-up. Yet another reason why England shouldn't be in the Euro.
Here ends today's lesson.
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At the time of secession, most of the British Empire didn't want to leave. Although the British were bastards in some parts of the world, they had greatly improved the standard of life in a lot of it. However independence was the way.
I see the united countries theory as all well and good, but I still declare myself firmly English. I'm not willing to call myself British and definitely not European. England is a part of who I am. As the UK some of the characteristics of England, NI, Scotland and Wales will be lost. God knows what'll happen if Europe unites. We'll end up with a homogonised world. And I will go to hell before I use American spellings and spell sulphur as sulfur.
Eire vs NI is more than just Catholics vs Protestants. England tamed the Celts in Wales and Cornwall and absorbed the Scots through judicious choice of monarch. The Irish however were determined to stay separate. Even after a heavy kicking in a war, they refused to concede. The Celts weren't Christian and didn't give a monkeys about Protestantism, but to the Catholic Irish, the Englsih were heretics and they'd never surrender. The English general saw that taking Ireland by force was going to require greater numbers and accepted a truce in which England were given 7 counties to control. He meant to return at a later date to finish the job. He didn't and England quickly killed, drove out or converted all the Catholics, creating 7 CoE counties.
The Irish were understandably quite upset about having their island breached by the heretics, but were unable to do anything about it. This is where freedom fighters come in. The IRA claim that they represent the poor oppressed people in NI who want to become part of a unified Ireland. Unfortunately by now, all of the people in NI consider themselves British and want nothing to do with a unified Ireland.
The IRA's unprecedented persuasion technique was to bomb the shit out of England until it surrendered the 7 counties that now no longer wanted to be surrendered anyway. The IRA have been supported very generously by Americans who had an Irish grandparent/great gandparent and who therefore considered themselves as Irish as Guinness. These Americans funded these freedom fighters because the evil British were oppressing the Irish. However the Irish were no longer being oppressed, because those in NI saw themselves as being British. Yet the money went to its altruistic use of providing the IRA with nailbombs to kill and mutilate children. Funny how the Irish Republican Army doesn't actually have the bollocks to fight soldiers.
Anyway, the whole thing's about who's right and wrong. Look at a unification of Europe. What language would be spoken? Where would the capital be? Who would make the decisions? Who would be the head of state? Look at the sheer amount of bureaucracy that the EU managed to trawl up about what would be on the back of the Euro coins.
Also finicially speaking smaller countries are a boon. Setting economies for a large area will mean that some bits will have the wrong interest rates and will therefore have the wrong stimulation of growth. A country as small as England: The south sets the interest rates and the north suffers, because they're not set for the north. Smaller countries, less chance of cock-up. Yet another reason why England shouldn't be in the Euro.
Here ends today's lesson.
The Earl
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Hi Earl . . . I think it is a bit more basic than that . . . since the disgraceful "We'll come a waltzin' Matilda with the U$" statement by the otherwise excellent Oz PM John Gorton in the 60s, the Liberal Party have fallen over themselves to prove that they are truly vassal slaves of the U$.
Then there is the fact that Howard is a publicised Christian, possibly a Mason and so we have the old "Fundamentalist Christians protecting the free world from the ravages of Islam" thingy left over from the Middle Ages.
Fundamentalist anything is always a worry . . .
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Hi Earl . . . I think it is a bit more basic than that . . . since the disgraceful "We'll come a waltzin' Matilda with the U$" statement by the otherwise excellent Oz PM John Gorton in the 60s, the Liberal Party have fallen over themselves to prove that they are truly vassal slaves of the U$.
Then there is the fact that Howard is a publicised Christian, possibly a Mason and so we have the old "Fundamentalist Christians protecting the free world from the ravages of Islam" thingy left over from the Middle Ages.
Fundamentalist anything is always a worry . . .
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Just an interesting point. How many of you know what a dirty bomb is?
I could make a dirty bomb with household chemicals, an alarm clock and an old-fashioned fire-exit sign. A dirty bomb is simply explosive attached to a radioactive substance. The explosives go off, spreading the radioactive substance over a wide area. Old fashioned fire exit signs are lit with radioactive materials (mostly radon) and if they were to be spread around...
Invading Iraq won't prevent Weapons of Mass Destruction. Anyone with half a brain and access to the correct information could knock up a bomb. It wouldn't be a nuclear missile, but it would kill a lot of people and take years to clean up.
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I could make a dirty bomb with household chemicals, an alarm clock and an old-fashioned fire-exit sign. A dirty bomb is simply explosive attached to a radioactive substance. The explosives go off, spreading the radioactive substance over a wide area. Old fashioned fire exit signs are lit with radioactive materials (mostly radon) and if they were to be spread around...
Invading Iraq won't prevent Weapons of Mass Destruction. Anyone with half a brain and access to the correct information could knock up a bomb. It wouldn't be a nuclear missile, but it would kill a lot of people and take years to clean up.
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Dantetier said:
No Dantetier, that is not always the case. Here in Oz the original "settle the land" attitudes of the nineteenth century European invaders have been overtaken by the useless theory of economic rationalism (ER) which says overload the established social infrastructure because the short term advantages are far more important than the long term problems that this policy creates. Besides, the theory goes, solving these "problems" will be the economic "opportunites" of the future . . . (???)
In Oz, ER has meant a faster loss of regional population as jobs are withdrawn into the State capital cities. Consequently, regional populations are again talking about establishing new states within the regional areas of our six historical states. And this makes good sense.
At present most of the land area of Oz is range grazing and broadacre farming with people stuffed into the coastal cities like sardines in a can. Hardly a sensible distribution of population.
But distributing population requires a re-distribution of jobs. Some Federal and State government agencies are trialling the "office at home" ideas of the private sector and finding that the static office in a prime real estate location is possibly unnecessary in this age of the Internet and broadband. Thus the possibility exists that a public service structure could be established in the regions at little extra cost.
The case goes on . . . all the outcomes are very positive . . . but I am on a hobby horse . . .
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android1966 said:
I'm not saying I'm agreeing, I'm just saying that's damn funny
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Good Gawd Don, I can't say I agree with that, but I can FINALLY fawking read it!
GOOD GO OLD MAN! GOOD GO!
GOOD GO OLD MAN! GOOD GO!
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Earl, you and p_p_ aren't doing the English any favours...
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No Favours Needed!!
SIN . . . like many Americans you've got it wrong . . . again!! . . .
The Poms don't need favours . . . they need a cricket team!!! At least they made it to the fifth day in the Fourth Test . . . before they got beat . . . again!! . . . 4-0 and another hiding to come in Sydney . . . heheheh . . . aussies don't do favours for Poms . . .
SINthysist said:
SIN . . . like many Americans you've got it wrong . . . again!! . . .
The Poms don't need favours . . . they need a cricket team!!! At least they made it to the fifth day in the Fourth Test . . . before they got beat . . . again!! . . . 4-0 and another hiding to come in Sydney . . . heheheh . . . aussies don't do favours for Poms . . .
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Back to code for the Don Down Under...
And we were making such progress
And now the Southern Signoff as we conclude our broadcast day...
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Wish I was in the land of cotton...
And we were making such progress
And now the Southern Signoff as we conclude our broadcast day...
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Wish I was in the land of cotton...
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Well Don, at least we can rely on the rugby team to give you a good hiding. God, I love Ben Cohen, if only because I can use him to shut the Aussies up about sport .
SIN: The English colonists were bastards at times. Can't remember who said it, but "The English conquered other nations by pretending they weren't there." We single handedly imposed our culture on half the world, destroying the diversity, which I think is sad. The only good thing to be said for it was that England managed to speed up the development of countries by several times.
The British Empire was the Microsoft of the world. It produced a monotony by wiping out any other competing products. Which meant that when it broke, lots of people were left with nothing at all cf. Sierra Leone, Kenya, etc.
And now our bastard offspring in the shape of America is trying to wipe out the Arab nations which is oneof the few cultures we didn't homogenise.
The Earl
.SIN: The English colonists were bastards at times. Can't remember who said it, but "The English conquered other nations by pretending they weren't there." We single handedly imposed our culture on half the world, destroying the diversity, which I think is sad. The only good thing to be said for it was that England managed to speed up the development of countries by several times.
The British Empire was the Microsoft of the world. It produced a monotony by wiping out any other competing products. Which meant that when it broke, lots of people were left with nothing at all cf. Sierra Leone, Kenya, etc.
And now our bastard offspring in the shape of America is trying to wipe out the Arab nations which is oneof the few cultures we didn't homogenise.
The Earl
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