Are you ever "justified" in using a racial slur?

[Stella_Omega]

Gotta tell you that it's hard to take seriously a spitting match on inflamed name calling between guys with the avatars Ulaven Demorte and Loving Tongue both have slapped on their postings. Just saying, ya know.

Gunmouths and barnsides? You've got that right.

 

[sr71plt]

Gunmouths and barnsides? You've got that right.

Well, I actually meant the one at the bottom of LT's posts, but I didn't know what to call that (other than very, very scary and perpetually angry).

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well, I actually meant the one at the bottom of LT's posts, but I didn't know what to call that (other than very, very scary and perpetually angry).

Ah, yeah. I have sigs turned off, so I'd forgotten about that. It's the reason I put him on ignore in the first place... Seemed like plenty enough of statement-- no need for further discussion...

 

[3113]

Be pissed if you want. The only motive here was to show LT, anonymously, (I never mentioned any names until he revealed himself by trying to defend his actions and openly berating others) that the results of that GB poll would likely be replicated here. That his opinion of being Justified in using racial slurs in retaliation is the minority one.

You didn't show him anything. You showed me that you're untrustworthy, that you foul up facts, lie, cheat, twist information, and that you fuck with strangers for your own ends...That is ALL you showed me...and likely ALL you showed THIS forum.

You lost it all. All respect, all evidence that you can present a valid argument, all hint that you can resolve arguments on an adult level instead of sinking to something childish. You used up your entire cache of potential good will in one fell swoop. If that's what's you intended, then yeah, you won

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

You didn't show him anything. You showed me that you're untrustworthy, that you foul up facts, lie, cheat, twist information, and that you fuck with strangers for your own ends...That is ALL you showed me...and likely ALL you showed THIS forum.

You lost it all. All respect, all evidence that you can present a valid argument, all hint that you can resolve arguments on an adult level instead of sinking to something childish. You used up your entire cache of potential good will in one fell swoop. If that's what's you intended, then yeah, you won

I see that you've bought into the explanation offered by LT, likely thinking that I am the "first offender" in the exchange of slurs, which never happened by the way. I have called LT a lot of things, but using a racist slur is just plain lazy. I can think of much more imaginative insults than to fall back on one so overused and unimaginative.

The incident that I referred to in the original post was the one often flaunted by LT when called on his use of "retaliatory racism" The one involving a young hispanic boy, a child that called him a "monkey". He repeated it again here in fact. But the same reasoning has been used toward anyone who uses a slur against him "first". The justification that is unacceptable from a child: "They said it first!"

Note also that I never referred to anyone by name, and in fact never intended to until LT decided to expose himself. He defends his usage of retaliatory slurs wholeheartedly and discounts any differing opinion as moronic and out of touch with reality.

He seems to hold the denizens of the AH in high regard. My intent was to show him that his views were just as reviled here as they are on the GB. He attempted, and apparently succeeded in muddying the waters.

 

[Chantilyvamp]

I don't do racial slurs and I dont suffer them from other people. If a person said it in front of me I would tell them to shut up. If they say it in front of my daughter they are going to get told even quicker and louder for I don't allow things like that said in front of her at any point.

If they call me something racial so be it but they will deal with the anger that they let loose. I'm mostly a shy quiet person part of the time (accept those I know well) and I do not like confrontation but I would not be beyond trying to shove their head up their ass for that kind of behavior!

~edit I should really finish posting things a lot quicker so many to ready now

 

[starrkers]

sigh.
And I thought I could escape the petty childish backbiting and bitching of my sons by coming here...at least they have the excuse of being children.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I was raised in a home where we seriously fucked our enemies if it was possible. So when someone messes with me, like with the name-calling, I make it a point to fuck them the first opportunity that comes along. They forget but I dont.

 

[S-Des]

Pardon the intrusion gentlemen, but if this is the sort of nonsense that routinely goes on in the GB, I will never sully myself by going there.

We may have our spats and squabbles in the AH, but we never decend to the level where you to seem to be.

Take your racial slanders and your petty bickerings and be gone.

This thread is offensive to me, and I would imagine many others here.

Adios.

Amen. I owe you the first beer in 3 weeks.

And for the record, because I'm a white, heterosexual male, I never use racial insults under any circumstances (I even apologize to myself when I say something nasty when an idiot cuts me off on the road). Although I don't totally buy into "white guilt", it's impossible not to see the damage done to minorities by our society (talking about America). I figure if I have to get called a name by someone during an argument, the least I can do is not resort to that level of childishness in retaliation (not saying I don't have my own level of childishness ).

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I had a client one time who was raped by a gang of guys. During the interview she called them a racial slur. When my supervisor reviewed the tape of the interview he was a lot more upset about the racial slur than he was the rape. In his mind the woman did the greater evil. He was annoyed that I didnt chastise her.

 

[Recidiva]

I notice that Lovingtongue is on my ignore list.

I do not think that racist epithets are ever justified, and i do not think that sexist epithets are ever justified, and I do not think that any remark that condemns a huge number of people in the person of one-- is justified.

However, I've used racist, sexist and other stereotypical insults myself, when provoked past my ability to think rationally. This happens, even on the internet. People are so...peopleish.

LT, if someone calls you a nigger, you can call him an unimaginative fool and a kneejerk bigot. I just don't see how calling someone a honky (or whatever it was) proves they were actually wrong in what they said about you, yanno?
You have to address the particular form of honkiness that's been exhibited-- to make your protest and/or insult stick.

Diva, the word "Nigger" has not yet lost one iota of its spite and bite. Give it at least one more generation before you try that out, okay love?

I haven't called LT a nigger. I pointed out that I hear black people call each other niggers much more often than white people.

And that as a white person, I can't tell a black person not to call another black person a nigger.

LT likes to take all that context out. In my experience with my brother in law, my brother in law's definition of nigger is "black person that makes another black person look bad."

LT likes to take lots out of context.

I've never called anybody a nigger. Never will.

Ulaven is my husband and LT thinks I'm not only male, but made Ulaven up somehow. Neither I nor Ulaven are "real" people to LT.

LT likes to deny me my gender and my opinions.

I'd like to point out that LT is the one that introduced the actual event, as he has so much faith in the fact that people in the AH are all on his side.

 

[Recidiva]

You didn't show him anything. You showed me that you're untrustworthy, that you foul up facts, lie, cheat, twist information, and that you fuck with strangers for your own ends...That is ALL you showed me...and likely ALL you showed THIS forum.

You lost it all. All respect, all evidence that you can present a valid argument, all hint that you can resolve arguments on an adult level instead of sinking to something childish. You used up your entire cache of potential good will in one fell swoop. If that's what's you intended, then yeah, you won

Actually, no. He does have the facts.

This isn't about good will. It's about reason.

But why get context when you can condemn on the subject matter alone?

Everybody's doin' it.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=543965

Go on, vote for me.

 

[Recidiva]

Or you could back him up for calling my autistic son retarded and commenting on how his autism is a result of me being such a bad mother and we're both getting what we deserve.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24205514&postcount=176

LT's a real stand up guy.

But how I can be a mom when I'm a schizophrenic who made up my pretend husband I haven't worked out yet.

I probably made him up too.

 

[JPMMURPHY]

No. Never. Period.

Well, the No... never... looked strange out of context. I mean, it was such a stupid question to start with I just answered without reading the whole damn thing. So anyway, No - DO NOT DO IT. In a plane, on a train, in a boat... or in a thread as has happened here several times.

 

[Wyldfire]

No thank you. Never use racial slurs. I may state an opinion that some might not like but I have never used a racial slur.

 

[cloudy]

Okay, children, that's enough.

 

[Recidiva]

Okay, children, that's enough.

Can I say that next time you get trolled incessantly?

I'll tell you to take it easy on Amicus.

 

[R. Richard]

Let me first state that I spent my younger years as Whi' Boy in an almost all negro area. I have, I rhink as a result, a rather finely tuned sense of racism, since I was subjected to it on a daily basis until it bacame clear to da boyz that such an attitude could be dangerous to one's health.

I am not so stupid that I feel it necessary to call a negro nigger. However, I often found it useful to call a caucasian nigger. A negro may or may not put up with being called nigger. A caucasian will never put up with being called nigger and the result can sometimes be useful.

Similarly, asking a negro, "Where's your cowboy hat, redneck?" can be a useful racial epithet. Also, addressing a latino as 'gabacho' can be a useful racial epithet.

The best part of misusing racial epithets is that the impact is difficult to expalin to someone who was not there at the time.

 

[cloudy]

Can I say that next time you get trolled incessantly?

I'll tell you to take it easy on Amicus.

If you like, sure.

The last time I actually posted in response to ami was to tell him that no, I didn't hate him, but that I honestly felt sorry for him. Haven't bothered with him since.

 

[Recidiva]

If you like, sure.

The last time I actually posted in response to ami was to tell him that no, I didn't hate him, but that I honestly felt sorry for him. Haven't bothered with him since.

I don't hate LT either. But I've got a thing about being called childish when if I don't defend myself, LT continues with this crap for months on end until everyone I know thinks I'm a racist moron.

Actually, I'm starting to like the idea.

I'm probably due for a Lit vacation.

You can listen to LT say he drove me to it.

He wins, I win, everyone happy that they know the real truth.

 

[cloudy]

I don't hate LT either. But I've got a thing about being called childish when if I don't defend myself, LT continues with this crap for months on end until everyone I know thinks I'm a racist moron.

Actually, I'm starting to like the idea.

I'm probably due for a Lit vacation.

You can listen to LT say he drove me to it.

He wins, I win, everyone happy that they know the real truth.

I wasn't blaming you, you know. You most certainly have the right to defend yourself.

 

[Recidiva]

I wasn't blaming you, you know. You most certainly have the right to defend yourself.

Okay then.

Now I have to defend Ulaven too, because he's attempting to defend me, and I don't see that as childish. Of course, I'm married to him, you understand.

 

[English Lady]

I don't hate LT either. But I've got a thing about being called childish when if I don't defend myself, LT continues with this crap for months on end until everyone I know thinks I'm a racist moron.

Actually, I'm starting to like the idea.

I'm probably due for a Lit vacation.

You can listen to LT say he drove me to it.

He wins, I win, everyone happy that they know the real truth.

Awww, don't go, I still you.

 

[Recidiva]

Awww, don't go, I still you.

Sick of explaining this crap day in day out because he's obsessed. It's a lovely social experiment, but my estimation of people's IQ's and judgment keep plummeting and that's not fun.

I you too. Big time

 

[English Lady]

Sick of explaining this crap day in day out because he's obsessed. It's a lovely social experiment, but my estimation of people's IQ's and judgment keep plummeting and that's not fun.

I you too. Big time

Hide in some nice, fluffy threads, I'll protect you (and your hubs if he so desires ) and you know it'll all blow over, circle of life and all that.

All we need is love, baby