ADHD drug Ritalin linked to heart damage.

[warrior queen]

Now the authorities are saying that many of the ADHD drugs have serious long-term side effects, including (uncommon) rare effects that can be life-threatening over the long term.
There are several cases in Australia where 10+ years on certain medications has meant a death sentence for the kids who take them.

Are we too dependent on these meds? Is there another way to deal with an over-active child?

Many yrs ago, all of my kids were diagnosed ADD and ADHD by a peadiatrician. I refused point-blank to medicate my children, and instead used diet and lifestyle changes to help modify their behaviour.
Yes - it took a hell of a lot of work. I almost had to spend 24/7 with them to monitor and supervise their activity. But it worked..... I tired them out so thoroughly every day that they didn't have the energy left to be disruptive any more.
It worked for me.
I know this approach won't necessarily work for everyone else. But surely, there has to be options apart from drugging kids into a stupor with what's now been shown to be somewhat harmfull medication?

 

[mercury14]

Now the authorities are saying that many of the ADHD drugs have serious long-term side effects, including (uncommon) rare effects that can be life-threatening over the long term.
There are several cases in Australia where 10+ years on certain medications has meant a death sentence for the kids who take them.

Are we too dependent on these meds? Is there another way to deal with an over-active child?

Many yrs ago, all of my kids were diagnosed ADD and ADHD by a peadiatrician. I refused point-blank to medicate my children, and instead used diet and lifestyle changes to help modify their behaviour.
Yes - it took a hell of a lot of work. I almost had to spend 24/7 with them to monitor and supervise their activity. But it worked..... I tired them out so thoroughly every day that they didn't have the energy left to be disruptive any more.
It worked for me.
I know this approach won't necessarily work for everyone else. But surely, there has to be options apart from drugging kids into a stupor with what's now been shown to be somewhat harmfull medication?

My advice is to never let a pediatrician diagnose your kids with ADHD. Then amount of mental health training most of them have is minimal.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

When I treated kids the MD at the health department usta send kids to me for ADHD eval before he prescribed meds. He had been my childhood pediatrician, and I was a chum of his son. So he knew me.

My ADHD evals are simple. Can the kid play a video game, can he sit and watch a tv show, can she talk on the phone for several minutes, can she follow simple directions, is he impulsive and dangerous, is he aware of hazards. Real ADHD is alarming and obvious; what gets labeled ADHD is mostly developmental delays or common immaturity.

I usta visit schools where staff chased kids about the campus and kids sat atop their computer monitors, yet teachers were most troubled by the kids who talked to neighbors.

 

[mercury14]

When I treated kids the MD at the health department usta send kids to me for ADHD eval before he prescribed meds. He had been my childhood pediatrician, and I was a chum of his son. So he knew me.

My ADHD evals are simple. Can the kid play a video game, can he sit and watch a tv show, can she talk on the phone for several minutes, can she follow simple directions, is he impulsive and dangerous, is he aware of hazards. Real ADHD is alarming and obvious; what gets labeled ADHD is mostly developmental delays or common immaturity.

I usta visit schools where staff chased kids about the campus and kids sat atop their computer monitors, yet teachers were most troubled by the kids who talked to neighbors.

You were doing it wrong then and your supervisor should have corrected you and given you remedial training.

ADHD isn't evaluated based on focus during pleasurable activities but rather ones that are not pleasurable. Reading a book for school or following a recipe. Focusing in math class. Doing your taxes. Pretty much every kid with legit ADHD can focus on a video game just fine, many of them with laser-lock focus even.

How could you not know this? It's common knowledge to every mental health professional out there.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You were doing it wrong then and your supervisor should have corrected you and given you remedial training.

ADHD isn't evaluated based on focus during pleasurable activities but rather ones that are not pleasurable. Reading a book for school or following a recipe. Focusing in math class. Doing your taxes. Pretty much every kid with legit ADHD can focus on a video game just fine, many of them with laser-lock focus even.

How could you not know this? It's common knowledge to every mental health professional out there.

Bull Crap.

Only three criteria count: Attention span, compliance, and threatened harm.

So blow your nonsense out your ass.

 

[ivantheterrible]

i know of people who snort ritalin. they call it poor mans coke. it speeds them up when snorted.

strange how many years ago kids did not have access to all the sugar and tv, etc.,etc. like they do now. they actually went outside, ate a bit healthier, got a lot of excercize, had chores to do and were expected to do them. no add/adhd

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

i know of people who snort ritalin. they call it poor mans coke. it speeds them up when snorted.

strange how many years ago kids did not have access to all the sugar and tv, etc.,etc. like they do now. they actually went outside, ate a bit healthier, got a lot of excercize, had chores to do and were expected to do them. no add/adhd

You mean they worked off the energy? OMG How cruel.

 

[ivantheterrible]

*gasp*

 

[warrior queen]

i know of people who snort ritalin. they call it poor mans coke. it speeds them up when snorted.

strange how many years ago kids did not have access to all the sugar and tv, etc.,etc. like they do now. they actually went outside, ate a bit healthier, got a lot of excercize, had chores to do and were expected to do them. no add/adhd

That's kinda what I did with my kids..... one hour per day for ALL media/computer games and the rest if the time they had to play outside or do sport or do chores.
It worked.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

In thirty years of teaching kids, I have found that pushups cure the most common forms of ADHD...


It is a big a racket as glowball warming.

 

[foolsmarigold]

Now the authorities are saying that many of the ADHD drugs have serious long-term side effects, including (uncommon) rare effects that can be life-threatening over the long term.
There are several cases in Australia where 10+ years on certain medications has meant a death sentence for the kids who take them.

Can you provide any links or references for where you gathered this info?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It is probably a lot like all the salt stories...


If you want to believe it...


You will.

 

[RobDownSouth]

In thirty years of teaching kids, I have found that pushups cure the most common forms of ADHD...

Thirty years of teaching kids, yet you were judged unfit to adopt American children.

That speaks wonders as to the efficacy of your "cures".

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Let the hatred begin . . . .

 

[Sinny]

Now the authorities are saying that many of the ADHD drugs have serious long-term side effects, including (uncommon) rare effects that can be life-threatening over the long term.
There are several cases in Australia where 10+ years on certain medications has meant a death sentence for the kids who take them.

Are we too dependent on these meds? Is there another way to deal with an over-active child?

Many yrs ago, all of my kids were diagnosed ADD and ADHD by a peadiatrician. I refused point-blank to medicate my children, and instead used diet and lifestyle changes to help modify their behaviour.
Yes - it took a hell of a lot of work. I almost had to spend 24/7 with them to monitor and supervise their activity. But it worked..... I tired them out so thoroughly every day that they didn't have the energy left to be disruptive any more.
It worked for me.
I know this approach won't necessarily work for everyone else. But surely, there has to be options apart from drugging kids into a stupor with what's now been shown to be somewhat harmfull medication?

Please post a link to a peer-reviewed study. Also this:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation...-drugs-do-not-cause-heart-problems-study.html

 

[RobDownSouth]

Please post a link to a peer-reviewed study. Also this:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation...-drugs-do-not-cause-heart-problems-study.html

That's not gonna go over very well with the tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists here. Next you're gonna tell us that polio vaccines are safe!

 

[Wat_Tyler]

That's not gonna go over very well with the tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists here. Next you're gonna tell us that polio vaccines are safe!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Go suck AJ's dick, Wat. The adults are having a conversation here.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Go suck AJ's dick, Wat. The adults are having a conversation here.

St00pid Fat Turd fails at a funny . . . par for the course. They found you yet on that bad debt you fled Georgia to escape?

 

[pointless]

all i know is ritalin is a good speeder. just crush it up and snort it and you'll be jacked up for hours. hard crash, though.

but, yeah, pediatricians can get fucked in regards to adhd. they diagnosed me as adhd (or add. the h wasn't cool yet) in part because i thought the doctor was being a dumbass when he asked me to pretend to turn an invisible doorknob and i laughed at him.

 

[RobDownSouth]

all i know is ritalin is a good speeder. just crush it up and snort it and you'll be jacked up for hours. hard crash, though.

but, yeah, pediatricians can get fucked in regards to adhd. they diagnosed me as adhd (or add. the h wasn't cool yet) in part because i thought the doctor was being a dumbass when he asked me to pretend to turn an invisible doorknob and i laughed at him.

I didn't know about the snorting Ritalin business until this last year, when police raided my alma mater and broke up an extensive ritalin-selling operation....I thought it was a joke at first. I learned Ritalin is now the drug of choice if you have to study all night on campus!

Side note: Go suck AJ's dick, Wat. The adults are having a conversation here.

 

[Busybody]

Many yrs ago, all of my kids were diagnosed ADD and ADHD by a peadiatrician. I refused point-blank to medicate my children, and instead used diet and lifestyle changes to help modify their behaviour.
?

Good for you

We once went to a PTS and the teacher said my kid had ADHD, cause he wouldn't sit still as she explained stuff and he should be medicated

I stuck a finger in his nose and said

MY KID GETS IT TEH FIRST TIME AND DOESNT NEED TEH SHIT TO BE SAID 5 TIMES


He is 28, an MIT PhD and a Prof at Cal tech with his own Lab and world famous

ADHD is what teachers call kids who THEY DONT want to, or cant control

and yes, Sugar n shit are bad

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I didn't know about the snorting Ritalin business until this last year, when police raided my alma mater and broke up an extensive ritalin-selling operation....I thought it was a joke at first. I learned Ritalin is now the drug of choice if you have to study all night on campus!

Side note: Go suck AJ's dick, Wat. The adults are having a conversation here.

Yeah, about last year's news. I doubt you've seen your dick in decades,


Too bad you're no longer ambulatory and I'll never be able to give you the fisting you deserve . . . right in the mouth.

 

[pointless]

I didn't know about the snorting Ritalin business until this last year, when police raided my alma mater and broke up an extensive ritalin-selling operation....I thought it was a joke at first. I learned Ritalin is now the drug of choice if you have to study all night on campus!

Side note: Go suck AJ's dick, Wat. The adults are having a conversation here.

those kids are stupid. you get the same kick from adderall (which is just a mix of amphetamines) with a much lighter crash at the end. also, the adderall drip is much less repulsive.

but, yeah, adhd is a great way to legally score drugs that fuck you up nicely and fairly cheaply if you get the generics.

 

[mercury14]

Bull Crap.

Only three criteria count: Attention span, compliance, and threatened harm.

So blow your nonsense out your ass.

And when assessing inattention you don't rule out the diagnosis because of satisfactory attention during pleasurable and stimulating situations. You just don't - read the DSM.

And threatened harm isn't a criteria for ADHD either. For someone who claims to be a psychologist you really don't seem to know much about psychology.