a question for american men

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

To say a car deserves more respect because it has been worked on by a person with less money is, well, bullshit.

Some of the most expensive cars here in Australia are untouched. Classic, original and beautiful pieces of work which have been well-maintained over the years.

It is not about the money. It is about self pride and achievement. There are lots of wealthy people who restore old, discarded vehicles on their own with their own money, tools, hands, and time. And you do not need a lot of money to do that with some vehicles.

 

[dolf]

To say a car deserves more respect because it has been worked on by a person with less money is, well, bullshit.

Some of the most expensive cars here in Australia are untouched. Classic, original and beautiful pieces of work which have been well-maintained over the years.

duh!

by men who have worked ok maintaining them.
that's what he was describing. exactly.

 

[butters]

To say a car deserves more respect because it has been worked on by a person with less money is, well, bullshit.

Some of the most expensive cars here in Australia are untouched. Classic, original and beautiful pieces of work which have been well-maintained over the years.

hmmn, not the car - the man is what we're talking about here, really: in my eyes ,if you take 2 identical cars - one restored lovingly by an individual over time and with a determination and skill, one restored by a group of professionals who don't have that personal investment in the machine and who haven't had to save up etc etc etc... you get my drift, then i'm going to be more impressed with the job done by the single owner/restorer. he's put something of himself into it.

i suppose the professionals' investment is their reputation, but i think i'll always be more impressed by the one that took that much more personal and emotional investment.

or something.

i'm still feeling all blue-washed by my long afternoon at the seaside. sooo lovely.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

seriously, do you honestly believe a woman's interest in you is directly proportional to the size of your wallet?

(not judging, just doing a little statistical investigation)

No.

But income and ability to provide are measured even if done by the subconscious.

Nobody wants a loser.

 

[Fraulein_S]

seriously, do you honestly believe a woman's interest in you is directly proportional to the size of your wallet?

(not judging, just doing a little statistical investigation)

This question, in my opinion has an element of anti Americanism in it. American men as whole seem just as sweet as men in any other place. Being from Europe I actually think that status symbols are more pronounced.

 

[girlsmiley]

It is not about the money

Well duh!

duh!

by men who have worked ok maintaining them.
that's what he was describing. exactly.

I am cracking up.

So if I paid someone to change the oil in my car, my car wouldn't be as cool or "command respect" like his does... because he changed the oil himself?

*face palm*

 

[bronzeage]

To say a car deserves more respect because it has been worked on by a person with less money is, well, bullshit.

Some of the most expensive cars here in Australia are untouched. Classic, original and beautiful pieces of work which have been well-maintained over the years.

A car which is restored and built by the owner deserves more respect. It is not a matter of how much money he has. It is a measure of his resourcefulness, determination and skills. These abilities are not limited to his attention to a car.

To stretch the analogy a little further, well maintained and untouched are a contradiction. There is no such thing.

On the plus side, car shows are a cheap date. It's a nice walk among pleasant people and a man can really get to know a woman better. It's a great way to weed out those who simply don't get it.

 

[dolf]

Well duh!



I am cracking up.

So if I paid someone to change the oil in my car, my car wouldn't be as cool or "command respect" like his does... because he changed the oil himself?

*face palm*

so if you entered an art exhibition with a print of the sunflowers, you would command as much respect as the artists there who'd painted their own?

in terms of car enthusiasts, yes, the guy who can do is more respected than the guy who can't.

 

[butters]

A car which is restored and built by the owner deserves more respect. It is not a matter of how much money he has. It is a measure of his resourcefulness, determination and skills. These abilities are not limited to his attention to a car.

To stretch the analogy a little further, well maintained and untouched are a contradiction. There is no such thing.

On the plus side, car shows are a cheap date. It's a nice walk among pleasant people and a man can really get to know a woman better. It's a great way to weed out those who simply don't get it.

bloody car shows, car 'runs', cruises, banger racing, stock-car racing, santapod ... carscarscars. spent too many years on them to the exclusion of everything else during my first marriage. but it hasn't put me off entirely, only off the kind of guy he was

 

[bronzeage]

bloody car shows, car 'runs', cruises, banger racing, stock-car racing, santapod ... carscarscars. spent too many years on them to the exclusion of everything else during my first marriage. but it hasn't put me off entirely, only off the kind of guy he was

Did a man ever ask you to go to a Star Trek convention with him?

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

Well duh!



I am cracking up.

So if I paid someone to change the oil in my car, my car wouldn't be as cool or "command respect" like his does... because he changed the oil himself?

*face palm*

You have to excuse me now. I must go replace a power steering hose on my restored Buick that drives like a dream. I put a lot of work into that fine vehicle and I prefer to do most of the work myself than to trust some clueless, over priced mechanic. But it is paid for and cheap insurance.

After that, I have to vacuum the interior of the truck I restored myself and mount the new chrome plated toolbox on the bed to replace the old one. I might sell that one soon. I have a lot of respect and pride for that particular truck. Getting the motor just right was a bitch. Put lots of time and money into it, however, it has served its' investment purposes. Time to get rid of it and start looking for another one to restore.

 

[trysail]

This question, in my opinion has an element of anti Americanism in it. American men as whole seem just as sweet as men in any other place. Being from Europe I actually think that status symbols are more pronounced.

It's good of you to post this. I agree; the vast majority of Europeans are every bit as materialistic and status-conscious as Americans.

 

[butters]

Did a man ever ask you to go to a Star Trek convention with him?

no, not yet. i'd go and probably enjoy it as a one-off sort of thing, and i would most definitely go to a dr who one *nods*

This question, in my opinion has an element of anti Americanism in it. American men as whole seem just as sweet as men in any other place. Being from Europe I actually think that status symbols are more pronounced.

as already stated, it was phrased that way entirely due to what an american man said - i was only trying to see how relevant his statement was.

 

[trysail]

so why have young girls, since time immemorial, fallen in love with young men their fathers have thought totally unsuitable as husbands simply because they didn't have enough money? (the same is also true of young men falling for 'unsuitable' young women)

It's a phase of adolescent rebellion that a minority of young females go through in addition to the normal handicap of being young and stupid. That minority learns the lesson the hard way.


The vast majority don't make that mistake.

 

[dolf]

It's good of you to post this. I agree; the vast majority of Europeans are every bit as materialistic and status-conscious as Americans.

see, flaunting wealth is widely considered a bit low class, poor taste, crass. so those perceived as low class are impressed by it. compare the subtlety of the roller to the obviousness of the stretch limo.

nouveau riche only ever seems to be uttered with a sneer,
and a bankrupt duke is higher class than, lol, wayne rooney!

we're snobs.

 

[dolf]

weirdness you wouldn't get in america.

i love my job and it pays like shit. some of the clients are quite wealthy. in america i would be expected to defer to them. here it's slightly awkward...
after a few months in the job i figured out a serious problem: my clients were often feeling like they should defer to me, with some of them being obviously very uncomfortable having me work for them. why? because they have 'common' accents and i speak in an accent associated with a higher social class. i started deliberately slaughtering the english language and, like magic, my clients were comfortable in my company.

 

[blobfish]

weirdness you wouldn't get in america.

i love my job and it pays like shit. some of the clients are quite wealthy. in america i would be expected to defer to them. here it's slightly awkward...
after a few months in the job i figured out a serious problem: my clients were often feeling like they should defer to me, with some of them being obviously very uncomfortable having me work for them. why? because they have 'common' accents and i speak in an accent associated with a higher social class. i started deliberately slaughtering the english language and, like magic, my clients were comfortable in my company.

Did you break out the old standby, "'ello, guvnah"?

 

[butters]

It's a phase of adolescent rebellion that a minority of young females go through in addition to the normal handicap of being young and stupid. That minority learns the lesson the hard way.


The vast majority don't make that mistake.

erm, no - it's a matter of falling in love, not cocking a snook at ones parents young? yes. stupid? frequently. idealistic? possibly. and for heaven's sake, the father does not always see what is best for the daughter. just what he would like to happen. you're sounding like flaming amicus

 

[girlsmiley]

As an owner, I respect my mechanic for what he does. He's a top bloke. Sure, I could change my own oil. Still, you wouldn't catch me commanding people to respect my car more if I did. No way. Because I am not a cockhead.

There's a difference between commanding respect and earning respect. My mechanic has earned mucho respect from me over the years. Does that make my car better than everyone elses? Don't be silly.

 

[bronzeage]

As an owner, I respect my mechanic for what he does. He's a top bloke. Sure, I could change my own oil. Still, you wouldn't catch me commanding people to respect my car more if I did. No way. Because I am not a cockhead.

There's a difference between commanding respect and earning respect. My mechanic has earned mucho respect from me over the years. Does that make my car better than everyone elses? Don't be silly.

It really has nothing to do with cars.

 

[dolf]

Did you break out the old standby, "'ello, guvnah"?

i fear they might feel i was taking the piss.

As an owner, I respect my mechanic for what he does. He's a top bloke. Sure, I could change my own oil. Still, you wouldn't catch me commanding people to respect my car more if I did. No way. Because I am not a cockhead.

There's a difference between commanding respect and earning respect. My mechanic has earned mucho respect from me over the years. Does that make my car better than everyone elses? Don't be silly.

you're being thick so i'm responding with a kitten.

http://www.thecatpetshop.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/cute_baby_kitten.jpg

 

[girlsmiley]

so if you entered an art exhibition with a print of the sunflowers, you would command as much respect as the artists there who'd painted their own?

in terms of car enthusiasts, yes, the guy who can do is more respected than the guy who can't.

The car will speak for itself.

Depends on the show. Very rarely at car shows do you meet the experts who actually built them.

Even your Average Joe's do not stand around and wait for their respect. They park their cars up and go get a beer.

 

[girlsmiley]

i fear they might feel i was taking the piss.

you're being thick so i'm responding with a kitten.

No, you're being thick. I'm being realistic and you're talking about art exhibitions.

 

[Fraulein_S]

It's good of you to post this. I agree; the vast majority of Europeans are every bit as materialistic and status-conscious as Americans.

Thanks. I am ashamed of Euro anti Americanism!

 

[dolf]

Thanks. I am ashamed of Euro anti Americanism!

you're being pc... i cannot resist...

http://www.nexttonothing.co/image/cache/data/tv-t-shirts/fawlty-towers-t-shirt-war-500x500.jpg