2024 First Presidential Debate Thread: June 27th

[ll74]

I fully endorse Sarah Isgur and most of her opinions, but definitely this one

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806514811112505683

 

[adrina]

Agreed. But there's more to that. I'm just angry right now....the reactions make me even more angry.

I know why Trump is wrong for the country. It's easy. The problem with Biden is more involved for me. I refuse to be histrionic about it, but there are so many issues obvious with the country this year that I don't know where to begin right now.

I understand.

I hope you find a way to channel your anger. Perhaps find ways to get people registered and involved.

Because of the way the US electorate fucked up 2016, there is no easy path.

 

[ll74]

I'll add....there are sooo many supporters of Biden who literally called for him to step down today. They love Biden, they love his politics.

They're calling for him to step down right now

 

[adrina]

I'll add....there are sooo many supporters of Biden who literally called for him to step down today. They love Biden, they love his politics.

They're calling for him to step down right now

Who could and would replace him? Realistically. Newsom has already said no.

I don't think switching horses mid-river is the way to go.

There's also a lot of people rallying around him. He did very well in his speech today. Seriously. Where the fuck was that Biden last night? Fuck if I know. But everyone has a bad day. Even on the worst day to have it.

 

[ll74]

Who could and would replace him? Realistically. Newsom has already said no.

No idea

I don't think switching horses mid-river is the way to go.

But, Biden shit the bed.

So...

There's also a lot of people rallying around him. He did very well in his speech today. Seriously. Where the fuck was that Biden last night? Fuck if I know. But everyone has a bad day. Even on the worst day to have it.

Yep, and Biden is horrible.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Broadcast ratings

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806749023971557613

Thanks

So one could estimate 31 million Democrat/Independent viewers vs 12 million Republican/Independent viewers. Also works out to just shy of 1/3rd of the number of people who voted in the last Presidential election.

 

[KeithD]

He's not qualified.
This debate proved it.

45 isn't either.

And that's where I'm at.

No it didn't. He had the facts; he just bobbled them in talking about them. He had real accomplishments and programs to talk about. He just had a confused evening--they probably prepared him too hard on top of the trips he also had to take. He was fine at the State of the Union (so, can do the prepared speech on the teleprompter thing, a standard presidential duty) and he's reported to be lucid and marching along just fine today. Trying to debate a wall-to-wall outrageous liar isn't one of the president's every day duties.

He's doing the job and he's getting more done than anyone back to Clinton did. You are drinking the Republican/Russian Kool Aid. If he wins another four years and maintains a heartbeat, his staff can carry both him and the country as well as happened in the final Reagan years--and far, far, far, far, far, far better than Trump can. If he's not breathing, there's a VP to stand up who the president didn't try to have murdered in an effort to keep him out of prison for crimes he actually committed.

 

[butters]

Who could and would replace him? Realistically. Newsom has already said no.

I don't think switching horses mid-river is the way to go.

There's also a lot of people rallying around him. He did very well in his speech today. Seriously. Where the fuck was that Biden last night? Fuck if I know. But everyone has a bad day. Even on the worst day to have it.

i wouldn't mind seeing Hakeem Jeffries on the ticket, but would he get the votes?

for now, with no clear alternate candidate, to get Biden to step down would be chaotic.

re Jeffries:

During the impeachment hearings, in response to Trump's counsel's rhetorical question “Why are we here?” to the Senate, Jeffries delivered a soliloquy that concluded by quoting Biggie Smalls: "and if you don't know, now you know".[46][47] Billboard magazine called it a "noteworthy mic-drop moment".[48]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Jeffries

 

[ll74]

No it didn't. He's doing the job and he's getting more done than anyone back to Clinton did. You are drinking the Republican/Russian Kool Aid. If he wins another four years and maintains a heartbeat, his staff can carry both him and the country as well as happened in the final Reagan years--and far, far, far, far, far, far better than Trump can. If he's not breathing, there's a VP to stand up who the president didn't try to have murdered.

I have no desire to even listen to Russian information.

Z e r o!

Fuck off.

Biden's performance in the debate was obvious. 45's statements removed, Biden showed he wasn't capable.

I can't expect anyone who does not acknowledge that to be a serious person. Someone who refuses to acknowledges that Biden did horribly is not worth having a discussion with.

 

[KeithD]

I have no desire to even listen to Russian information.

Z e r o!

Fuck off.

Biden's performance in the debate was obvious. 45's statements removed, Biden showed he wasn't capable.

I can't expect anyone who does not acknowledge that to be a serious person. Someone who refuses to acknowledges that Biden did horribly is not worth having a discussion with.

Well, you've already established yourself to be a douche on the topic . . .

I'm sure you think you're someone who could do the job and just because you're a brilliant debater every day of the month.

 

[ll74]

Going forward, if you try to tell me that Biden did well or didn't fuck up at this debate.....you're not a serious person. You should not be taken seriously


And no
..not comparable to Obama's first debate.

Not
Even
Close

 

[ll74]

Well, you've already established yourself to be a douche on the topic . . .

Yes, I understand that Biden shit the bed and you want to gaslight people.

Agreed.

I am fine in my position

And there is not a serious pundit who disagrees with me.

 

[KeithD]

Going forward, if you try to tell me that Biden did well or didn't fuck up at this debate.....you're not a serious person. You should not be taken seriously


And no
..not comparable to Obama's first debate.

Not
Even
Close

Point out where I posted that Biden did well in the debate. You are changing the goal post because it's finally dawning on you what a douche bag you're being about this and all the hoops you think someone has to jump through all the time to meet your informed standards of capability?

You can have your "fuck off" back on this.

 

[KeithD]

And there is not a serious pundit who disagrees with me.

Trump said that a lot last night too.

Total bullshit on every serious pundit saying Biden is either a douche or not capable of being president because he screwed up in the debate. Sorry, buddy, but that's an outrageous Trumpian statement.

 

[ll74]

Point out where I posted that Biden did well in the debate. You are changing the goal post because it's finally dawning on you what a douche bag you're being about this and all the hoops you think someone has to jump through all the time to meet your informed standards of capability?

You can have your "fuck off" back on this.

Lol..of course.

Please, provided us with your analysis of Biden in his debate.

You won't.

 

[DeluxAuto]

You're welcome! Thanks again for acknowledging you wouldn't have an audience if it weren't for me.

There's something seriously wrong with that creep.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

He's not qualified.

The ONLY qualification is to win the election, Biden did, therefore he IS qualified.

This debate proved it.

This debate and the rest are kind of meaningless in the context of what this election is about.

45 isn't either.

He wasn't qualified last time, till he won, then he was.

And that's where I'm at.

Yep, in between a rock and hard place. Thankfully you understand that, it seems many millions of Americans don't see what is at stake if Trump is elected.

 

[ll74]

Trump said that a lot last night too.

Total bullshit on every serious pundit saying Biden is either a douche or not capable of being president because he screwed up in the debate. Sorry, buddy, but that's an outrageous Trumpian statement.

How many left leaning pundits have called for him to step down today?

I have at least five before noon.

 

[ll74]

The ONLY qualification is to win the election, Biden did, therefore he IS qualified.

You're actually serious?

This debate and the rest are kind of meaningless in the context of what this election is about.

Lol

He wasn't qualified last time, till he won, then he was.

Lol

Yep, in between a rock and hard place. Thankfully you understand that, it seems many millions of Americans don't see what is at stake if Trump is elected.

I don't support 45, AT ALL.....but do you not understand that this is a shit show? Are you incapable or admitting this?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Thanks

So one could estimate 31 million Democrat/Independent viewers vs 12 million Republican/Independent viewers. Also works out to just shy of 1/3rd of the number of people who voted in the last Presidential election.

In an era of a la carte streaming packages, it’s hard to guess party affiliation by network. Surely most Fox viewers are conservative. Most MSNBC viewers are progressive. As the host network, CNN probably drew from left, center and right. I watched on CNN. Independent represent a third or more of the electorate.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You're actually serious?

Yep, you're qualified if the electorate deem you so.

Lol

Laugh, Cry, it doesn't matter. If you think a Trump presidency will bring anything but Trump adding in more tax cuts, and seeking revenge against any who opposed him, or convicted him etc, you're fucking nuts.

Lol

Again, don't like the electorial system, fuck off and move. Find another country. What are the qualifications for Office of the President again??
Be 35 years of age, be an natural born citizen, and have live in the US for 14 years or more, and win the election. That's it.

I don't support 45, AT ALL.....but do you not understand that this is a shit show?

It's a side show, shit show, monkey show. Call it what you want. You have two choices, Trump, or someone else.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

In an era of a la carte streaming packages, it’s hard to guess party affiliation by network. Surely most Fox viewers are conservative. Most MSNBC viewers are progressive. As the host network, CNN probably drew from left, center and right. I watched on CNN. Independent represent a third or more of the electorate.

I'm not guessing. I am using the bias leanings of the posters on Lit. You know, CNN fake news, MSNBC fake news....That is the claim from the majority of RWCJ here. Reality isn't what my post is about, and you're an outlier.

 

[Chobham]

The Democrats have created quite a problem for themselves. It's obvious that Biden is unfit for office now let alone 6 months from now. Last night ripped the mask off of all the excuses and assurances they've been making. Now the Kingmaker's in the democrat party are calling for Biden to be replaced. Fine, their party, their choice.

Now comes the problems. First is that because Biden ran unopposed in all the primaries the party went ahead and registered him to be on the ballot in virtually all the states. Removing him and replacing him with another name is going to prove to be considerably more troublesome than they think.

Then there is the issue of who's going to replace him. Makes no difference to me, I don't have a dog in that fight. But it's going to be interesting to watch the convention if they do decide to replace him. To hear them screaming about "saving our democracy" while they disregard the will of all the people that DID vote for Biden.`

 

[ll74]

Yep, you're qualified if the electorate deem you so.

So when he won in 2020, that is the same for this year.

Neat.

Laugh, Cry, it doesn't matter. If you think a Trump presidency will bring anything but Trump adding in more tax cuts, and seeking revenge against any who opposed him, or convicted him etc, you're fucking nuts.

I don't think Trump is a better candidate.

Again, don't like the electorial system, fuck off and move. Find another country. What are the qualifications for Office of the President again??
Be 35 years of age, be an natural born citizen, and have live in the US for 14 years or more, and win the election. That's it.

Yes, I absolutely believe we need an amendment for top limit to age. Thanks for mentioning it.

It's a side show, shit show, monkey show. Call it what you want. You have two choices, Trump, or someone else.

I have never said anything different.

 

[KeithD]

How many left leaning pundits have called for him to step down today?

I have at least five before noon.

Which constitutes every serious pundit in your book, using Trumpian debate skills.