2024 First Presidential Debate Thread: June 27th

[butters]

Biden is speaking at a rally in Raleigh, NC right now and sounds strong and vigorous and has his voice back. Where was this Joe last night? A real 180.

could be that he was still too sick last night to perform well—anti-biotics take time to kick in, if he was being treated with them—but both he and his team decided it was better to send out a 'weak' Joe than not turn up at all... which would have given magats an even bigger boost.

 

[jomar]

could be that he was still too sick last night to perform well—anti-biotics take time to kick in, if he was being treated with them—but both he and his team decided it was better to send out a 'weak' Joe than not turn up at all... which would have given magats an even bigger boost.

Could be. But he’s on point today showing some DBE!

Also, about his slack jaw look last night, I wonder if he did have cold if his nose was stuffed up.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Now play the part where the same fact-checker inhaled deeply and blew through more than thirty lies that Trump told.

Please play the tape for both sides of the commentary.

Otherwise, you game the news and are biased and lie like Trump does.

I haven’t audited the fact checkers or counted how many lies each candidate told so I won’t argue your point. In fact I’ll bolster it by suggesting that not all of Biden’s incorrect statements were deliberate lies. For example, when he said he decided to run for office after his son died in Iraq, I don’t think he deliberately intended for the audience to believe Beau died in Iraq. I think he was just confused. He had similar trouble remembering when his son died during his deposition.

 

[adrina]

Joe Biden Sees Strongest Grassroots Fundraising Hour Since Campaign Launched After Muffled Debate Performance

President Joe Biden's 2024 campaign continued pulling in donations after he struggled to fend off Donald Trump's attacks during the first presidential debate on Thursday, June 27.

According to a Biden-Harris campaign official, the hour that followed the debate marked the president's best grassroots fundraising hour since he launched his bid for reelection

https://people.com/joe-biden-strongest-grassroots-fundraising-hour-after-debate-8671051

 

[Aglaopheme]

As I was saying…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806527153388834916

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Define "better choice". A shit sandwich on white or wheat is still a shit sandwich. Non of the above or any other candidate is an option, check the ballot for the latter option. People saying there is only two optiins is why the uniparty runs people like this. We are fucked either way, but deep down you must know that.

You have options. The whole foundation of your country maybe at stake. Choose wisely.

 

[Rotadom]

President Obama is the only one who can end this nonsense.

 

[censurat]

President Obama is the only one who can end this nonsense.

what nonsense

 

[censurat]

President Obama is the only one who can end this nonsense.

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/and-again-black-man-beats-old-white-man-senseless.1613187/

 

[TastySuckToy]

Joe Biden Sees Strongest Grassroots Fundraising Hour Since Campaign Launched After Muffled Debate Performance



https://people.com/joe-biden-strongest-grassroots-fundraising-hour-after-debate-8671051

I'm absolutely 100% in your corner on this issue. I want Biden to be the nominee and would love to see his performance in some more debates:

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Define "better choice". A shit sandwich on white or wheat is still a shit sandwich. Non of the above or any other candidate is an option, check the ballot for the latter option. People saying there is only two optiins is why the uniparty runs people like this. We are fucked either way, but deep down you must know that.

There is no "uniparty". The Republicans and Democrats are as different as night and day.

Conservatives like to pretend they're the same because what the Republicans stand for is indefensible. Deep down you know that.

 

[Rotadom]

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/and-again-black-man-beats-old-white-man-senseless.1613187/

Why did you quote me and then link this?

 

[Rotadom]

what nonsense

Having 2 unqualified Presidential candidates. Do keep up.

 

[Wonderer67]

I am saddened that these two fucking douche bags are our options.

Jesus Christ… THIS is the best America can fucking do?

But I tend to get my news from the best and most objective source…

 

[ll74]

I am saddened that these two fucking douche bags are our options.

Jesus Christ… THIS is the best America can fucking do?

But I tend to get my news from the best and most objective source…

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I think the sad part is that some people seem to think one of these two is still their actual choice outside of "not the other guy"

I say that even though I will be voting for one.(Because not that one)...but in the end, our country is broken if these douches are our choices.

And no, this is not a "both sides" argument.

I absolutely favor one douche over the other by a huge measure because I prefer.democracy.

 

[adrina]

Joe fucked up the debate. Royally.

I'm not going to make excuses for that bad performance - off day, head cold, over prepared blah blah. Whatever.

So how much is debate a part of the job of presidency?

I want a president who is able to get things accomplished, to get legislation passed, who can work with people to get things done, who finds way to get things through. That's Biden. That hasn't changed.

Trump was forceful, enunciated clearly. Projected his voice. Stood up straight. His makeup was even done more carefully than normal. And he lied more times than any other candidate in any other debate ever. He said things that were truly unhinged. People are still looking for something factual he said. As president, he never passed infrastructure, never brought forth an ACA replacement etc. He nominated judges to put a conservative super majority on the supreme court which has now upended our government. Roe/Dobbs, Chevron etc. And a massive tax give away which has added enormous debt.

Yeah Biden had a really fucked up off night. When I need to find a professional debater for a job I won't go looking for Biden. When I want a president who gets shit done - yeah, I'll look to Biden.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Broadcast ratings

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806749023971557613

 

[Lazaran]

Joe fucked up the debate. Royally.

I'm not going to make excuses for that bad performance - off day, head cold, over prepared blah blah. Whatever.

So how much is debate a part of the job of presidency?

I want a president who is able to get things accomplished, to get legislation passed, who can work with people to get things done, who finds way to get things through. That's Biden. That hasn't changed.

Trump was forceful, enunciated clearly. Projected his voice. Stood up straight. His makeup was even done more carefully than normal. And he lied more times than any other candidate in any other debate ever. He said things that were truly unhinged. People are still looking for something factual he said. As president, he never passed infrastructure, never brought forth an ACA replacement etc. He nominated judges to put a conservative super majority on the supreme court which has now upended our government. Roe/Dobbs, Chevron etc. And a massive tax give away which has added enormous debt.

Yeah Biden had a really fucked up off night. When I need to find a professional debater for a job I won't go looking for Biden. When I want a president who gets shit done - yeah, I'll look to Biden.

A-fucking-men to that ^.

President Biden has NEVER been a particularly polished speaker for one obvious reason: His stutter. Throw in an apparent cold, poor prep, and his age, and you see what you get.

Go back and watch his debate with Paul Ryan from years ago: Then Vice President Biden wasn’t particularly smooth at all. It’s just that Paul Ryan (and the Romney-Ryan platform) was so fucking ridiculous that Joe endlessly mocked him.

It’s always been about substance over style with Joe Biden: Working across the aisle and compromise.

That ^ has served him and the American people well over the last three and a half years.

More please. (If it was really just a cold, over preparation and one off night.)

 

[KeithD]

Biden didn't look good, but honestly there is very little about being president that debate skills really are important for. Trump looked better except he still constantly lied and there is a pretty good chunk of the job of president where being a pathological liar is very bad.

But he looked and did fine for the State of the Union (albeit reading off a teleprompter) and he's reported to be fiesty and glib today. So it's not a permanent anything at the moment. There's no denying he's already in his eighties and not getting younger, of course. And Trump isn't far behind him.

The question of whether he could run the country smoothly at his age gets the response that he is running the country pretty smoothly now--against an "approve nothing" opposition party and without suggesting anyone ingest bleach.

And there are no guarantees anyone alive would survive through the coming presidential term. Of all the backup possibilities, Harris is the only one actually being trained for the position, so her potentially getting the job doesn't give me any heartburn.

 

[KeithD]

I think the sad part is that some people seem to think one of these two is still their actual choice outside of "not the other guy"

I say that even though I will be voting for one.(Because not that one)...but in the end, our country is broken if these douches are our choices.

And no, this is not a "both sides" argument.

I absolutely favor one douche over the other by a huge measure because I prefer.democracy.

Whatever Joe Biden is as a man, it isn't a "douche." He's a decent, caring, experienced man. And anyone calling him a douche is a douche.

 

[ll74]

Whatever Joe Biden is as a man, it isn't a "douche." He's a decent, caring, experienced man. And anyone calling him a douche is a douche.

Ok, I'll give you that he's a caring man.

My word, douche, is meant to be about people unqualified to be our President at this point.

I need a better word.

Neither of these men deserve to be our President going forward. I'm voting for policy, not the man.

And I fucking hate that I am doing that.

I don't want this man to be my President. I don't want the other guy either.

Fuck them both.

 

[adrina]

I think the sad part is that some people seem to think one of these two is still their actual choice outside of "not the other guy"

I say that even though I will be voting for one.(Because not that one)...but in the end, our country is broken if these douches are our choices.

And no, this is not a "both sides" argument.

I absolutely favor one douche over the other by a huge measure because I prefer.democracy.

You are correct in that our country is broken. But not because Biden and Trump are the choices. (To be fair, I think only one of them is truly a douche.) They are only symptoms. Our country is broken because a government of, by and for the people can't really exist when a large majority of the citizenry is checked out from the process. That was happening long before Trump and Biden. They've actually raised voter involvement oddly enough, but that doesn't change the reality that more people - by a very reasonable chunk - did not vote than voted for either candidate.

The American electorate believes voting is optional or at best part-time. They are wrong and this is the result.

 

[KeithD]

Ok, I'll give you that he's a caring man.

My word, douche, is meant to be about people unqualified to be our President at this point.

I need a better word.

Neither of these men deserve to be our President going forward. I'm voting for policy, not the man.

And I fucking hate that I am doing that.

Joe Biden continues to be one of the few people qualified to be president today. (Sorry, but Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are the only other ones on that level.) And Joe Biden is being president, having brought us back from a clown school trying to show us a new silly trick every day to keep our attention and moaning.

 

[ll74]

You are correct in that our country is broken. But not because Biden and Trump are the choices. (To be fair, I think only one of them is truly a douche.) They are only symptoms. Our country is broken because a government of, by and for the people can't really exist when a large majority of the citizenry is checked out from the process. That was happening long before Trump and Biden. They've actually raised voter involvement oddly enough, but that doesn't change the reality that more people - by a very reasonable chunk - did not vote than voted for either candidate.

The American electorate believes voting is optional or at best part-time. They are wrong and this is the result.

Agreed. But there's more to that. I'm just angry right now....the reactions make me even more angry.

I know why Trump is wrong for the country. It's easy. The problem with Biden is more involved for me. I refuse to be histrionic about it, but there are so many issues obvious with the country this year that I don't know where to begin right now.

 

[ll74]

Joe Biden continues to be one of the few people qualified to be president today. (Sorry, but Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are the only other ones on that level.) And Joe Biden is being president, having brought us back from a clown school trying to show us a new silly trick every day to keep our attention and moaning.

He's not qualified.
This debate proved it.

45 isn't either.

And that's where I'm at.