ENF, RNF, or Exhibitionism within CMNF?

[CandaulistScribe]

I'm drafting a story, and it's falling within the CMNF (Clothed Male, Naked Female) genre, but I'm at odds with myself on how to treat the female MC. I feel like ENF (Embarrassed Naked Female) is a little heavy-handed, in that it normally has an element of non-consent to it. RNF (Reluctant Naked Female) is less so, as there is usually a moment in which she decides to do whatever she's doing, but is still reluctant. Exhibitionism gets rid of all of that, but might take away some of the tension in the scenes, leading them to be a little more bland, or at least harder to write.

I'm appealing to the CMNF community, because ultimately it's about the readers. Is there a preference out there?

 

[Bamagan]

I'm drafting a story, and it's falling within the CMNF (Clothed Male, Naked Female) genre, but I'm at odds with myself on how to treat the female MC. I feel like ENF (Embarrassed Naked Female) is a little heavy-handed, in that it normally has an element of non-consent to it. RNF (Reluctant Naked Female) is less so, as there is usually a moment in which she decides to do whatever she's doing, but is still reluctant. Exhibitionism gets rid of all of that, but might take away some of the tension in the scenes, leading them to be a little more bland, or at least harder to write.

I'm appealing to the CMNF community, because ultimately it's about the readers. Is there a preference out there?

Which category you place it in will likely determine the general audience preference. ENF, or forced/compulsory nudity, would be standard fare in Non-Consent, but it sounds like you're not intending to place it there. I'd say exhibitionism doesn't have to exclude reluctance, though, especially if it's a story about a first-timer discovering her kink. Some exhibitionists always have to rev themselves up to overcome their reluctance, or at least to overcome social or legal pressures that encourage them not to indulge. So, there's plenty of room to write a tense story about a RNF who also loves showing off once she twists her nerves up properly.

 

[CandaulistScribe]

Which category you place it in will likely determine the general audience preference. ENF, or forced/compulsory nudity, would be standard fare in Non-Consent, but it sounds like you're not intending to place it there. I'd say exhibitionism doesn't have to exclude reluctance, though, especially if it's a story about a first-timer discovering her kink. Some exhibitionists always have to rev themselves up to overcome their reluctance, or at least to overcome social or legal pressures that encourage them not to indulge. So, there's plenty of room to write a tense story about a RNF who also loves showing off once she twists her nerves up properly.

This was a very helpful point of view. I have to play with the concepts you have here to fit within my plot, but this gives me some things to chew on. Thank you.

 

[StillStunned]

Which category you place it in will likely determine the general audience preference. ENF, or forced/compulsory nudity, would be standard fare in Non-Consent, but it sounds like you're not intending to place it there. I'd say exhibitionism doesn't have to exclude reluctance, though, especially if it's a story about a first-timer discovering her kink. Some exhibitionists always have to rev themselves up to overcome their reluctance, or at least to overcome social or legal pressures that encourage them not to indulge. So, there's plenty of room to write a tense story about a RNF who also loves showing off once she twists her nerves up properly.

I have a story in E&V about a woman with exhibitionist tendencies who finds herself forced to display herself. She struggles with that, until she seizes control of the situation. It was interesting to write about the conflict between doing what comes naturally and being forced to do it.

 

[CandaulistScribe]

I have a story in E&V about a woman with exhibitionist tendencies who finds herself forced to display herself. She struggles with that, until she seizes control of the situation. It was interesting to write about the conflict between doing what comes naturally and being forced to do it.

Thank you for this. I will have to go look on your profile and see if I can figure out which story you're referring to. I'll give it a read!

This is still very much a work in progress (can I call it that if I haven't written a single scene yet?) about a woman trying to get herself out there and overcome her extreme introversion that worsened during lockdown from the pandemic. She took some acting classes and enjoyed them in high school and college, and was even in a few plays, and so her therapist suggests auditioning. She decides to look online, and applies to several acting jobs that are looking for women meeting her basic description that offer no pay, assuming they'd be the ones she's most qualified for. She ends up thinking she's going for an audition, but is actually going for her first day, as the only applicant, for a low-budget comedy/horror movie in which she's the female lead, and her part is more than 50% nude scenes.

I hoped to tell the story from third person POV, likely following her as the MC, with the movie scenes and the movie script providing some of the excitement in the story, and her growth (and exposure) providing the titillation. I wanted to steer clear of forced/coerced nudity, so it's really a choice of RNF or Exhibitionism. I could paint her as reluctant at first, and then make her a willing participant, suggesting new and exciting ways her character could lose her clothes, or I could write the struggle to not waste the tiny budget the filmmaker has, now that she's committed to it, and the strength of character required for her to perform in each scene.

I don't want to be tiresome and repetitive, but I do think it'll be fun to actually play out each of five or six scenes in the movie they're shooting so that the readers can see that plot play out completely. This'll be an interesting one to try to write!

 

[StillStunned]

Thank you for this. I will have to go look on your profile and see if I can figure out which story you're referring to. I'll give it a read!

It's this one, if you want a shortcut.

This is still very much a work in progress (can I call it that if I haven't written a single scene yet?) about a woman trying to get herself out there and overcome her extreme introversion that worsened during lockdown from the pandemic.

My personal ode to introversion, and the strain it puts on a relationship: Fairytale of New York.

 

[One_ping_only]

I'm drafting a story, and it's falling within the CMNF (Clothed Male, Naked Female) genre, but I'm at odds with myself on how to treat the female MC. I feel like ENF (Embarrassed Naked Female) is a little heavy-handed, in that it normally has an element of non-consent to it. RNF (Reluctant Naked Female) is less so, as there is usually a moment in which she decides to do whatever she's doing, but is still reluctant. Exhibitionism gets rid of all of that, but might take away some of the tension in the scenes, leading them to be a little more bland, or at least harder to write.

I'm appealing to the CMNF community, because ultimately it's about the readers. Is there a preference out there?

Why not dabbled into a story where the female had gone to a " modeling art job " where she posed for an art class not aware it was for actually for nude poses?? She's already there in the classroom and is embarrassed to walk away from the class especially after she was welcomed with open arms for the obvious reasons??

My wife had done a few of these art classes where posed numerous times but never in the nude. Ofc in my devious mind she was nude in front of a dozen male students all seeing her butt naked and taking in every inch of her body? Good luck with the story.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

There’s an audience for everything. I’m personally not all that fond of ENF, but have done a number of E&V that did well and one quite successful series of RNF.

If it’s well-written, it will do well.

 

[intim8]

The reluctance can take the form of someone who deliberately accepts a situation with risk because she wants to see if she likes it, and/or to be "forced" or pressured to do what she knows she wants to do but doesn't have the courage to take the initiative. A dare or bet or game often fits this. As is telling someone she trusts that she'll do whatever they say, when she's not sure how far the trusted friend will push it. That itself can be the outcome of a dare/bet/game, or an exchange of some sort, or even just asking a friend to help her out by pushing her more and more out of her comfort zone.

 

[Priscilla_June]

I thought this was a thread about Myers Briggs testing for a second.

But, for something like this, I think it really depends on the scenario. If you want the scene to be tense, make her a reluctant party in it. I think itll
Work either way tho.

 

[SimonDoom]

I have written many stories of this kind and I think there are many ways of dealing with "ENF" and "RNF" that avoid nonconsent issues. For example:

1. A woman who loses her clothes in public as a result of an accident, as opposed to through the action of a man. I wrote a story about where a woman went skinny dipping in a river on a run, and her clothes fell in the river, and she had to find a way to get home naked. She was "forced" to be naked to get home, but as a result of mistake or accident, not coercion by another. I write a story about a woman who bought a "bikini with a mind of its own" that kept falling off her and exposing her. Again, she was embarrassed and it wasn't a product of choice, but it wasn't force either.

2. If she acts as a result of a challenge or dare, it's not nonconsensual, even if part of her is saying, "I really shouldn't do this."

3. As others have said, there are many ways of portraying inner conflict and turmoil that create all the enjoyable elements of ENF without coercion.

4. I wrote one story that straddles the line, and that was a story where a man challenged a realtor to strip for him or he wouldn't buy a house from her. In that case, you could say the offer was so compelling that maybe it crossed the boundary. I personally don't think so, because it wasn't blackmail, but I could see as I wrote it that the situation might make some uncomfortable.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I'm drafting a story, and it's falling within the CMNF (Clothed Male, Naked Female) genre, but I'm at odds with myself on how to treat the female MC. I feel like ENF (Embarrassed Naked Female) is a little heavy-handed, in that it normally has an element of non-consent to it. RNF (Reluctant Naked Female) is less so, as there is usually a moment in which she decides to do whatever she's doing, but is still reluctant. Exhibitionism gets rid of all of that, but might take away some of the tension in the scenes, leading them to be a little more bland, or at least harder to write.

I'm appealing to the CMNF community, because ultimately it's about the readers. Is there a preference out there?

It may depend on your main female character and the situation.

When my wife and I went to a clothing optional resort for the first time, she was (is) very assertive and always in control. Dropping her clothes and walking out naked for the very first to the pool with two dozen others watching her didn't bother her at all. And when four 20-something-year-old guys walked into the area fully clothed to "check out what they heard was the best short-order bar at the resort" (ie. they were just there to gawk at the nudies), she casually walked up to them (she was still naked) and began chatting to hear their story.

My wife is NEVER embarrassed about anything she does. And she makes her own choices, so she's NEVER reluctant to do whatever she has chosen.

You might consider a story in which the NF turns the tables on the CM to embarrass him.

EDIT The closest I came to writing a story about her assertive nature while being nude was "A Dare at the Nude Resort", but that didn't have a CM.

 

[SimonDoom]

It may depend on your main female character and the situation.

When my wife and I went to a clothing optional resort for the first time, she was (is) very assertive and always in control. Dropping her clothes and walking out naked for the very first to the pool with two dozen others watching her didn't bother her at all. And when four 20-something-year-old guys walked into the area fully clothed to "check out what they heard was the best short-order bar at the resort" (ie. they were just there to gawk at the nudies), she casually walked up to them (she was still naked) and began chatting to hear their story.

My wife is NEVER embarrassed about anything she does. And she makes her own choices, so she's NEVER reluctant to do whatever she has chosen.

You might consider a story in which the NF turns the tables on the CM to embarrass him.

EDIT The closest I came to writing a story about her assertive nature while being nude was "A Dare at the Nude Resort", but that didn't have a CM.

The only problem with this, at least for some authors/readers, like me, is that if you write the character as bold and unconflicted, it may lack eroticism.

A story about a woman who goes to a nudist resort, and who goes to nudist resorts all the time, is not erotic. If being nude is just a normal, every day thing, it's not exhibitionism or voyeurism. For me, it's not erotic. It's erotic when it's breaking or pushing boundaries, and the MOST interesting boundaries to push or break are those that lie inside us, the ones that create inner conflicts.

A story of this sort may, possibly, be erotic if the reader enjoys a vicarious thrill of following a character who is bolder than the reader is. But I think in general the vicarious thrill is more thrilling if the reader can share the character's inner conflict.

Not everybody feels the way I do, so I'm not claiming that this view is universal or authoritative. But I know it is very common.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

I have written many stories of this kind and I think there are many ways of dealing with "ENF" and "RNF" that avoid nonconsent issues. For example:

1. A woman who loses her clothes in public as a result of an accident, as opposed to through the action of a man. I wrote a story about where a woman went skinny dipping in a river on a run, and her clothes fell in the river, and she had to find a way to get home naked. She was "forced" to be naked to get home, but as a result of mistake or accident, not coercion by another. I write a story about a woman who bought a "bikini with a mind of its own" that kept falling off her and exposing her. Again, she was embarrassed and it wasn't a product of choice, but it wasn't force either.

2. If she acts as a result of a challenge or dare, it's not nonconsensual, even if part of her is saying, "I really shouldn't do this."

3. As others have said, there are many ways of portraying inner conflict and turmoil that create all the enjoyable elements of ENF without coercion.

4. I wrote one story that straddles the line, and that was a story where a man challenged a realtor to strip for him or he wouldn't buy a house from her. In that case, you could say the offer was so compelling that maybe it crossed the boundary. I personally don't think so, because it wasn't blackmail, but I could see as I wrote it that the situation might make some uncomfortable.

Or you can have a character happily stripping off for one person's eyes, but then becoming aware that someone else can see/is watching. I wrote one where a couple don't have anywhere to have sex (she's living with an elderly landlady, no lock on the door) so end up in the woods. It's green and deserted and hot, she lets her dress fall to the ground as her bloke checks a copse for suitable space to lie down, another guy happens to wander down the path.

I also wrote a 750-word story where woman shags a guy A after a party at another guy B's house. B is a tosser who feels entitled to women and resents that she won't sleep with him. Just as orgasm approaches she realises the door is in fact made of panes of glass. And turns out B is watching.

 

[CandaulistScribe]

The only problem with this, at least for some authors/readers, like me, is that if you write the character as bold and unconflicted, it may lack eroticism.

A story about a woman who goes to a nudist resort, and who goes to nudist resorts all the time, is not erotic. If being nude is just a normal, every day thing, it's not exhibitionism or voyeurism. For me, it's not erotic. It's erotic when it's breaking or pushing boundaries, and the MOST interesting boundaries to push or break are those that lie inside us, the ones that create inner conflicts.

A story of this sort may, possibly, be erotic if the reader enjoys a vicarious thrill of following a character who is bolder than the reader is. But I think in general the vicarious thrill is more thrilling if the reader can share the character's inner conflict.

Not everybody feels the way I do, so I'm not claiming that this view is universal or authoritative. But I know it is very common.

It could be if written from the point of view of a quiet, shy guy who is inexperienced and suddenly confronted with this brazen, confident naked woman. That's my struggle.

In my story, I could have a group of young college guys who never thought anyone would actually answer their ad, let alone the incredibly hot 21 year old who shows up. For two of them, it's their first time seeing an actual naked woman in person. She can tell that they're more interested than they're letting on, so she helps them punch up some of the scenes a bit.

Or, there's a shy 21 year old woman who forces herself to take off her clothes for this little independent film.

Both can be hot, and I'm just trying to figure out which way has the most appeal!

 

[SimonDoom]

It could be if written from the point of view of a quiet, shy guy who is inexperienced and suddenly confronted with this brazen, confident naked woman. That's my struggle.

In my story, I could have a group of young college guys who never thought anyone would actually answer their ad, let alone the incredibly hot 21 year old who shows up. For two of them, it's their first time seeing an actual naked woman in person. She can tell that they're more interested than they're letting on, so she helps them punch up some of the scenes a bit.

There's nothing to stop you from writing both stories. You don't have to choose.

My general guideline is to choose the perspective that I think it more erotically interesting. So if I have to choose between the perspective of the shy inexperienced guy who's new to everything, or the brazen confident naked woman, whom do I choose? I choose the shy inexperienced guy. His "internal story" problem is more interesting and erotic.

Think about the movie Risky Business. Would it be more erotic from the prostitute's point of view? Of course not.

That's my opinion, anyway.

When I think about a concept for an erotic story, and I'm thinking about how to set and frame and focus on the characters, I ask myself which character, internally, is undergoing the most interesting erotic experience. Usually, it's the person who is experiencing something new, or challenging an internal rule or boundary.

 

[CandaulistScribe]

There's nothing to stop you from writing both stories. You don't have to choose.

My general guideline is to choose the perspective that I think it more erotically interesting. So if I have to choose between the perspective of the shy inexperienced guy who's new to everything, or the brazen confident naked woman, whom do I choose? I choose the shy inexperienced guy. His "internal story" problem is more interesting and erotic.

Think about the movie Risky Business. Would it be more erotic from the prostitute's point of view? Of course not.

That's my opinion, anyway.

When I think about a concept for an erotic story, and I'm thinking about how to set and frame and focus on the characters, I ask myself which character, internally, is undergoing the most interesting erotic experience. Usually, it's the person who is experiencing something new, or challenging an internal rule or boundary.

Yes, but which has broader appeal? The shy, reluctant naked woman, or the shy, reluctant guy getting to see a naked woman?

Or a shy, reluctant naked woman with some awkward guys, amazed at their good fortune, being to see her? And if I go this route, do I go third person omniscient so I can hop into all of their thoughts?

So many decisions!!

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Yes, but which has broader appeal? The shy, reluctant naked woman, or the shy, reluctant guy getting to see a naked woman?

Shy reluctant guy, or more accurately, confident willing and aggressive woman. The confident willing eager woman who initiates and escalates everything is THE MOST POPULAR CHARACTER on lit and in stroke smut in general, and category matters very little in this regard.

 

[SimonDoom]

Yes, but which has broader appeal? The shy, reluctant naked woman, or the shy, reluctant guy getting to see a naked woman?

Or a shy, reluctant naked woman with some awkward guys, amazed at their good fortune, being to see her? And if I go this route, do I go third person omniscient so I can hop into all of their thoughts?

So many decisions!!

If your criterion is breadth of appeal, then you should choose a naked woman, and you should focus the story on her and her point of view.

But my recommendation is to just pick the one your gut tells you to pick, write the story, see how it goes, and if you want to try a different point of view then do that one too. The best way to answer all these questions you have is to just do it.

This is not a universal rule. It's more of a very fuzzy, general guideline. My story Unwitting Porn Star Wife was a CMNF story, told from the point of view of a husband who puts naked photos of his wife online. In that case I thought his perspective was more interesting because I wanted to explore his conflict over what he was doing, and also because by confining it to one point of view, his, I could provide a twist at the end that would not have worked otherwise.

 

[CandaulistScribe]

If your criterion is breadth of appeal, then you should choose a naked woman, and you should focus the story on her and her point of view.

But my recommendation is to just pick the one your gut tells you to pick, write the story, see how it goes, and if you want to try a different point of view then do that one too. The best way to answer all these questions you have is to just do it.

This is not a universal rule. It's more of a very fuzzy, general guideline. My story Unwitting Porn Star Wife was a CMNF story, told from the point of view of a husband who puts naked photos of his wife online. In that case I thought his perspective was more interesting because I wanted to explore his conflict over what he was doing, and also because by confining it to one point of view, his, I could provide a twist at the end that would not have worked otherwise.

All good things to think about!

 

[MyBareTorso]

I have a story in E&V about a woman with exhibitionist tendencies who finds herself forced to display herself. She struggles with that, until she seizes control of the situation. It was interesting to write about the conflict between doing what comes naturally and being forced to do it.

That was a fucking good story, by the way. As an exhibitionist myself, it struck more than a few chords...

 

[MyBareTorso]

Thank you for this. I will have to go look on your profile and see if I can figure out which story you're referring to. I'll give it a read!

This is still very much a work in progress (can I call it that if I haven't written a single scene yet?) about a woman trying to get herself out there and overcome her extreme introversion that worsened during lockdown from the pandemic. She took some acting classes and enjoyed them in high school and college, and was even in a few plays, and so her therapist suggests auditioning. She decides to look online, and applies to several acting jobs that are looking for women meeting her basic description that offer no pay, assuming they'd be the ones she's most qualified for. She ends up thinking she's going for an audition, but is actually going for her first day, as the only applicant, for a low-budget comedy/horror movie in which she's the female lead, and her part is more than 50% nude scenes.

I hoped to tell the story from third person POV, likely following her as the MC, with the movie scenes and the movie script providing some of the excitement in the story, and her growth (and exposure) providing the titillation. I wanted to steer clear of forced/coerced nudity, so it's really a choice of RNF or Exhibitionism. I could paint her as reluctant at first, and then make her a willing participant, suggesting new and exciting ways her character could lose her clothes, or I could write the struggle to not waste the tiny budget the filmmaker has, now that she's committed to it, and the strength of character required for her to perform in each scene.

I don't want to be tiresome and repetitive, but I do think it'll be fun to actually play out each of five or six scenes in the movie they're shooting so that the readers can see that plot play out completely. This'll be an interesting one to try to write!

I really like the sound of this story...very, very much!

 

[ChuckWolf]

This is still very much a work in progress (can I call it that if I haven't written a single scene yet?) about a woman trying to get herself out there and overcome her extreme introversion that worsened during lockdown from the pandemic. She took some acting classes and enjoyed them in high school and college, and was even in a few plays, and so her therapist suggests auditioning. She decides to look online, and applies to several acting jobs that are looking for women meeting her basic description that offer no pay, assuming they'd be the ones she's most qualified for. She ends up thinking she's going for an audition, but is actually going for her first day, as the only applicant, for a low-budget comedy/horror movie in which she's the female lead, and her part is more than 50% nude scenes.

Another angle could be that the protagonist signed the contract and missed the nudity clause (perhaps buried in legalese) and finds herself legally obligated to film the (perhaps VERY explicit) nude scenes.

And given that this is a low-budget horror movie, the rest of the cast & crew may be less than professional in leering at her and making comments about her body, etc.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

...ENF (Embarrassed Naked Female) is a little heavy-handed, in that it normally has an element of non-consent to it. RNF (Reluctant Naked Female) is less so

This seems like a weird boundary to draw. Can you plausibly be embarrassed doing something you meant to do? "I wanted to flash my booby so I did, OMG I'm so embarrassed" is a pretty weak line, no body believes that. Nearly all embarrassment is along the lines of "I don't know why I did that" "I didn't know it was showing" So if you have a F that wants to flash, that is exhibitionism, if not ENF. (Personally opposed to RNF as the last thing we need is more acronyms)

 

[CandaulistScribe]

I get that. I think I found that differentiation 10+ years ago. At the time, iirc, a lot of the ENF content was bordering on, if not fully in, sexual assault territory. Forced, blackmail, peeping, stolen clothes, humiliation, etc., and somewhere (I think it was Indian Outlaws Stripping Stories site) someone mentioned or invented RNF to be that bridge between "the naked person is in charge" exhibitionism, and "this is assault" ENF/M. RNF was supposed to include the embarrassed factor without the SA themes. It's their choice, without coercion, but they're still embarrassed by it. Truth or dare game, strip poker, etc., where they can fully say no at any time, but do it anyway.

If it's not a well accepted acronym, I get it. And if the world has changed enough that it's no longer needed, all the better!!

Thanks for your feedback and comments!