How EV sales are losing momentum with US buyers

[Fuzzy1975]

If an EV could be only slightly more complicated than kids' powered riding toys, then I could see a little bit of future for EVs. I don't see a future for the bloat wagons loaded with unnecessary hardware and software.

lol then don't buy anything, ICE or Hybrid or EV....they are all "bloated" with shit I don't want!

 

[Chernosoth]

New cars now have software updates, which sometimes fail, and then the cars can't be driven. So I would be avoiding everything made recently, EV and ICE, if I had that much money, but later that crap may be all that's left in the used car market. Replacing car geewhizardry with simpler parts that work reliably could become a career.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-message-after-failed-software-update.377422/

 

[Bdm20]

I'd consider picking one up as a 2nd vehicle but Hertz has them overpriced for the market and condition. 75K miles is a lot of miles on the battery pack. Buying one from Tesla usually means they put in a new pack. Not so if buying from Hertz.

Where did you hear that Tesla “usually” puts a new battery pack in the used vehicles they sell?

 

[Rightguide]

There’s absolutely no way he’s not a boomer. His whole schtick screams “get off my lawn” and gen Xers just aren’t there yet.

Rightguide is totally a boomer.

His utter fascination with McCarthy and Chicago presidential election fraud in 1960 carbon dates him as a first-gen boomer. He has been on the public dole since he lost his job circa 1999.

I have a fascination with both recent and ancient history but that doesn't make me Methuselah, the above pud-pulling and clit warming frenzy notwithstanding.

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, I'm bitter that a generation fucked me over. It would be ignorant not to be.

^^^
The eternal victim blames his lack of drive on everyone else.

 

[Rightguide]

Over 400 Ford dealers have told Ford, "Nope, we aren't going to invest $$$$$$ to sell that shit and you can't make us."

As is always true in America, the market will decide, not the government. We're seeing it doing so as we speak.

 

[RobDownSouth]

^^^
The external victim blames his lack of drive on everyone else.

TIL "External Victimhood" is a thing in MAGA salons and parlors.

 

[ishtat]

Over 400 Ford dealers have told Ford, "Nope, we aren't going to invest $$$$$$ to sell that shit and you can't make us."

Going forward, no Auto manufacturer is going to require a large dealer network. Non-ICE vehicles require much less servicing, car lots in every town are a huge expense. China with about 2.5 million EV's already is further down the track and has seen 2300 dealers forced into bankruptcy so far. The big 3 US manufacturers will cry crocodile tears as the Dealers are systematically shafted over the next 5 to 7 years.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I have a fascination with both recent and ancient history but that doesn't make me Methuselah, the above pud-pulling and clit warming frenzy notwithstanding.

lol sure Boomer.You're a shitty salesman.

 

[HisArpy]

Where did you hear that Tesla “usually” puts a new battery pack in the used vehicles they sell?

If you have "official" information to the contrary, spit it out and stop trying to play gotcha.

 

[jomar]

Where did you hear that Tesla “usually” puts a new battery pack in the used vehicles they sell?

If you have "official" information to the contrary, spit it out and stop trying to play gotcha.

^^^ In other words, he’s got nothing.

 

[Bdm20]

If you have "official" information to the contrary, spit it out and stop trying to play gotcha.

You are just too funny. You pull a false statement out of your ass and then expect me to cite an “official” source stating proof that your made-up statement is a fabrication. Brilliant.

 

[Chernosoth]

As is always true in America, the market will decide, not the government. We're seeing it doing so as we speak.

And all the governments of nations with oil to sell, nations that want more oil, and nations with territory, waterways, or spheres of influence for oil to pass through. The global market will get messy and probably more violent.

 

[Bdm20]

As is always true in America, the market will decide, not the government. We're seeing it doing so as we speak.

In much the same way that there were holdouts who initially resisted digital cameras over film cameras.

ICE manufacturers and auto dealerships will fare about as well as Eastman Kodak if they don’t pivot to somehow get a piece of the EV pie.

 

[HisArpy]

You are just too funny. You pull a false statement out of your ass and then expect me to cite an “official” source stating proof that your made-up statement is a fabrication. Brilliant.

I figured all you had was mouth.

 

[Rightguide]

In much the same way that there were holdouts who initially resisted digital cameras over film cameras.

ICE manufacturers and auto dealerships will fare about as well as Eastman Kodak if they don’t pivot to somehow get a piece of the EV pie.

I was one of those who held out on the new digital camera technology but I will never go back to film. A few years back I gave my trusty Nikon F2 to the daughter of a friend who was deep into college photojournalism classes in California and needed a 35 mm film camera for her studies. I'll bet she had the best friggin' camera in that class.

The EV technology marketed today isn't cost-effective for widespread use.

 

[Bdm20]

I was one of those who held out on the new digital camera technology but I will never go back to film. A few years back I gave my trusty Nikon F2 to the daughter of a friend who was deep into college photojournalism classes in California and needed a 35 mm film camera for her studies. I'll bet she had the best friggin' camera in that class.

The EV technology marketed today isn't cost-effective for widespread use.

Digital camera technology also wasn’t immediately of a quality where it instantly destroyed the market for film and film processing, but it evolved rapidly and it wasn’t long before the film and processing industries collapsed. The same thing will be happening with the manufacturers of internal combustion car engines and oil companies.

 

[Bdm20]

I figured all you had was mouth.

Projecting much?

Bless your heart.

 

[AlexBailey]

As is always true in America, the market will decide, not the government. We're seeing it doing so as we speak.

How did ‘the market’ increase air quality standards and drive manufacturers to decrease emissions?

 

[Rightguide]

Digital camera technology also wasn’t immediately of a quality where it instantly destroyed the market for film and film processing, but it evolved rapidly and it wasn’t long before the film and processing industries collapsed. The same thing will be happening with the manufacturers of internal combustion car engines and oil companies.

35mm film is still available and used by tens of thousands of photographers.

 

[Rightguide]

How did ‘the market’ increase air quality standards and drive manufacturers to decrease emissions?

It accepted them in some markets and jurisdictions and not so much in others.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

35mm film is still available and used by tens of thousands of photographers.

Horse and buggies are still used today too, by tens of thousands. But when the market is billions, ten thousand is a rounding up error.

But hey, what do you know about math, or reality for that matter.

Two tenths or 2/10ths was correct.

You couldn't survive in my chosen reality

 

[AlexBailey]

It accepted them in some markets and jurisdictions and not so much in others.

You’re being very vague. Allow me to be more clear about the question.

Please tell me how ‘the market’ has increased clean air standards without government regulation?

Please tell me what motivation has spurred manufacturers to reduce emissions without government regulation?

 

[Rick345]

In much the same way that there were holdouts who initially resisted digital cameras over film cameras.

ICE manufacturers and auto dealerships will fare about as well as Eastman Kodak if they don’t pivot to somehow get a piece of the EV pie.

They are already pivoting I've read that by 2035 the big 5: Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, VW will be manufacturing EVs only.. The big 5 account for probably 95%+ cars manufactured..

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Anyone who thinks of his own life in terms of his "generation" and compares it to other generations - is a loser.

How to say you're a boomer, without saying you're a boomer...*chuckles*